Speaking of 1970, #295 Cecil Upshaw, Team Name in Orange. The charcoal border, fakes? never seen them before. any PSA?

Cool color variation on the team name. I looked at several and it appears to be very common with that card.

I have a few of the darker(charcoal) colored borders. I have never seen them sell for a premium but I have never seen anyone try to either. I am sure if you pointed it out in the listing/title someone would pay a premium for them. I have seen myself and others pay a premium for much less.:D

I have a handful of the charcoal colored borders also, while not necessarily common, I have never seen any of them sell for a premium (yet)....

After a quick look at my 1970 set binder, I only have a #3, Chaney, and a couple of Leaders cards with the 'charcoal' look to them.

I have this one, (top left) although it is raw and was purchased like that, I personally never questioned the authenticity, but maybe I should have?

I 100% would not be concerned with it. Surely, they are just printing anomalies. I'm pretty certain I have others in my dups piles, too.

Agree with Darren. I have a couple of darker ones in my set as well.

?
 

I dunno, I had this set and have looked at many 70 BB, and only recently did I see these clearly darker borders ones, I don't think they are all that common. I'm not sure the one posted by Irv is the charcoal I am referencing

The charcoal 1970 cards I have are numbered from 106 or lower....does anyone else have any cards numbered higher?

In a collection I bought a couple years ago there was 15 1970 cards and 5 of them are the dark charcoal color. The dark ones are 387, 418, 430, 437. and 438.

If anybody would like to put together a complete set of the extremely rare and highly desirable cards let me know. I would sell my 5 for an extremely outrageous price.:D

Here is a picture of one of my darker charcoal colored 1970 Topps cards for a color reference.

When I purchase it, along with some others, being a fake didn't even cross my mind as I just assumed it was real. It cost me peanuts, and like you, JollyElm, I also don't think it is fake as I personally don't see someone going to the trouble for that card.

Mine isn't as dark as some posted here, MT, so you're likely right that mine isn't one you are referring too?

1957 #380 Cooper
 

Notice the red mark in the upper left area, even with the top of hist cap. This is recurring and there were at least 5 on COMC. I did not check eBay.

Walker
 

Isn't that the upper right corner?

Depends on your point of view :-)

I put my 1970 Charcoal borders in the BST section. I also added a bunch of eBay like comedy to the listing for your reading pleasure.:D

Black dot above Mick's hat on border?
 

Being since I have noticed this on a few cards, I assume the black dot/ink mark above Mick's hat on the upper border is common knowledge?
Some have it, some don't.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-TOPPS-b...EAAOSwAO9ZTZRv
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1956-Topps-13...cAAOSw8d5ZUd-i
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-Topps-1...19.m1438.l2649

Any reasons/info why and does it hurt value any?

Great Dale, not enough that variant guys have to deal with 2 of the 52s and 3 of the 67s, now you give us 2 of the 56s...thanks:eek:

:D

Has this never been discussed before, or has it been discussed to death already?
I have always loved this card and would like to purchase one sometime soon (if that's a current great idea?) so that is what I noticed while educating myself.
I did do a search about the black dot but came up with nothing. I know the Mays and Robinson printing dots/spots on the 52's have been talked about, discussed before, but I couldn't find anything about this Mantle one?

On the 52s I know about Robinson, what is the Mays ?

The Mays ink dot is on the back left part of the card. I forget if all of them have this or just some, however? (bottom left)

Another Mantle with the same spot/ink dot.
The one beside it doesn't have it so I assume there were different runs of this card?
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...Auction-120115
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...Auction-120115

At the risk of Al mocking me endlessly for wandering into this thread (Hi Al!), here is a scan of my 1970 Topps #454 Ron Santo AS card. Note the orange background on the "ALL-STAR" square. I'm going to go look for other examples, but I figured I'd share first.

https://caimages.collectors.com/psai...S_Original.jpg

Found another. I'm sure that the next post will be "Wow, stupid. Have you not read the previous 82 pages of this thread where all we've done is talk about the oh-so-common 1970 Topps orange Ron Santo variation. Geez Louise." It will be as if my post was on the U.S. postage stamp message board and I started with "Have any of you ever heard of a stamp with an upside down aeroplane?"

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uuYAAO...k5/s-l1600.jpg

Nice find Bob on the orange vs red box....now I will have to go check my copies.

I do think Bob only wanders in here when he is between bridge tournaments.

Bob-- where does the term Geez Louise come from anyway ? Do you watch Thelma and Louise a lot ?

I don't know where it's from, but it's way older than the movie. I wonder if it's a regional thing? I've heard it pretty much my whole life from older family members.

Steve B

I had a friend from my first job (yes, I actually have friends) who was very religious but said "Cheese and rise" rather than J.C. That always amused me. :rolleyes:

71
 

I just bought a nice lot of (500) 1971 BB cards, any expensive/rare variation I should look for?

I wouldn't categorize any of the 71 variations as rare or expensive....most are plentiful IMO

Below is a list of 70s variations that Richard Dingman maintains:

https://sites.google.com/site/richar...ns-1970---1975

From that list, it sounds like there are orange-box variations for all of the '70 All-Star cards. So much for my discovery..... :o

Bob, Richard's list was updated AFTER your discovery....again, nice find. None of my 70 AS's have the orange box...something else to chase.

1971
 

I have heard rumors of a 71 Munson with his name in white, but have not seen it or know, if it exists, whether it is a faded or altered card.

Also---Richard reports a 59 Hank Bauer with name in yellow, and George Vrechek had a picture of one in an article ( I think) in SCD. Anyone else have or seen these two ?

1960 #6 Berberet
 

I have two of the version on the bottom with the white slash and have seen more on eBay and COMC. Therefore, it is recurring.

I tried finding a second copy of this guy, but no luck. I even checked Richard Dingman's list, no luck again. Anyone else have a squashed-white-bug 1959 Topps Jackie Brandt card?

http://www.bobsbbcards.com/images/mi...s297Brandt.jpg

I think it is a white smashed bug

I stand corrected. :rolleyes:

Bob, you have completely mis-labeled the Brandt card....that is the 'pigeon flew over and took a crap' Brandt variation. ;)

Don't encourage him Don

variations
 

Guys,
I do try to follow this thread and update my online webpage lists every few days.
However, I am still a working Joe and often am pressed for time.
Thanks for all of your searches and discoveries!
Lots of fun!
Richard Dingman
https://sites.google.com/site/richarddingmancards/

No one is complaining Richard. Your lists are an incredible resource for the 9 people who collect these things, including me :)

Just looking at these 52 Topps panels in the current Huggins and Scott auction, I noticed, which made wonder how it happened seeing them altogether like they are, the missing border card of Campos and noticed no red print line on the Cloyd Boyer card?
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=19437
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/pl/1...ncut_panel.jpg

There are other 52 Topps panels in the auction as well, and you can clearly see why lots of these cards are/were mis-cut.
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=19435
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=20020

Some nice pieces available, and, with my limited knowledge about them, some pretty decent/cheap prices, so far, with them.
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=19440
https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-...l?itemid=19441

Nice find Bob on the Brandt card.


And, as always Richard, thank you for maintaining your list of these cards. I really like the date you added to the list...very helpful.


Found these two 65s....the print spot under Ridzik's arm is recurring but limited. The multi colored horizontal lines across Alex's left arm are recurring also, but do not appear to be quite as limited as the Ridzik print variation.

Lol.
Thanks Al and Sammy.
The "9" of us are a small, intense but serious and important voice in the community.
More additions to the lists coming in the next few weeks as I recover from the National.
Best of everything to all!
Richard D

trades?
 

While I am sorting cards and listing variation dupes I am acquiring, I am thinking maybe we could be doing some trading of variations.
Anyone interested, check out my webpage tradables and look for the variations I have been listing.
I have a bunch and more to come in coming weeks.
Richard D
https://sites.google.com/site/richarddingmancards/home

Another who-dunit
 

Like the 72 Jerry McNertney card with varying degrees of finger prints showing, I came across another similar card. This time it is the 71 Topps 32 Jerry DaVanon card. One copy I have (the left) has a very obvious hand/thumb print along the left edge while a second copy (right) has a less obvious print appearing. The red line that appears on Jerry's left shoulder is also recurring...limited, but not as limited as the cards with the print/partial print. A two-for-one print variation card.

Awesome find Larry, I will have to get one for my fingerprint card collection. I am up to 6 or 7 different ones now.

Surely there is a market opportunity here for some guy to start making finger print variants at home. :)

Thank you Ben....what are the different ones you have....I seem to remember a 63 McCovey???



Found this one a while back, but never found a match....it looks like Joe forgot to shave the lower left half his face in this print variant:

Finger Print Cards
 

I was thinking last night there should be a tv show where a guy looking through his cards notices a finger print on one, like the McNertney or Da Vanon , and he knows a guy in law enforcement and for grins asks him to run the print and it turns out to be a match for a known serial killer who has been active for years. And then.......

It is a 61 Topps McCovey. I have the 3 different McNertey cards plus 2 more someplace. One is a Goudey I picked up from an auction in the BST section and the other one is in the junk era, no idea who though. I also bought it from a fellow member.

Correct pose, wrong year on the McCovey....I have only two finger print variations of the McNertney plus the "clean" version, do you have a third finger print version?

Yes I have very light, medium, and really nice versions of the fingerprint on the McNertney. Here is a pic I found on my computer of all 3. I have been drastically reducing my collection so I can't find anything.

Thought
 

I thought ya'll might enjoy these. Are these common? Any tougher then the rest? Thanks, Pat

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4333/3...4b6700cc_b.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4336/3...65bb82ec_b.jpg

very nice! Most are massive overinking, not all that common.
The 58 is the most severe batch of fisheyes I've seen.
The 74 Spencer is about as far off as a factory cut gets for tilt. I have a 75 that's way worse, but the person I got it from later said they made it from a scrap of uncut sheet.

I have a very similar looking 79 Schmidt card. While not the same as the card you picture, I have two (nearly identical) over-inked copies each of 3-4 different 79 Topps FB cards. IMO, 1979 was one of Topps' worst years for over-inking....I do not recall previous or subsequent years being nearly as bad as '79 in regards to the over-inking.

I have yet to see a 70 Topps Kilkenny with color in the card's# circle ....while he has not seen a copy himself, Richard D's variation list hints there may be a copy with color in the # circle.

Thank you Ben, I will keep an eye out for the third version as that is the one I do not have.

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psa8kbxpbo.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1e570355.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8efb4de6.jpg

I didn't see this mentioned, but 1948 Bowman Enos Slaughter RC:
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1948...zoom&side=back
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1948...zoom&side=back

#1 in 17 either has a tail or doesn't. Recurring print variation.

Good one, John

Since we're at 48 Bowmans, I was reminded of this pic I put together from Ebay scans.
The Feller has three different sets of white boxes at the top, or none.
http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=23153

Question
 

I have the 1948 bowman Feller with the slits and the notes but would like to see what others consider to be the third "box" variation. Thanks.

This one is on ebay now.Looks a little different . What do you mean by slits and notes, Thomas ?

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/S2EAAO...cV/s-l1600.jpg

1948 Feller
 

Here is the scan of my three versions and the upper one looks like this. I have the slits and the none versions but indications are that there is a fourth version with windows.

1964 Topps 223
 

Nice find John....

I first noticed this one today, may have missed it in the past. The limited, but recurring yellow print spot found on the "N" in Twins

1973 Topps Scipio Spinks has a bunch of broken border variations.

Full borders:
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1973...&size=original

Broken Right Side:
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1973...&size=original

Broken Top (common):
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1973...&size=original

Broken top, left, and right:
https://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1973...&size=original

With the back of the 1960 Topps 138 Art Mahaffey card, there appears to be two different versions. On the first version, the colored area covering the vitals and statistics panel stops short of the ball containing the card's number, while on the other variety, the colored area extends all of the way to the back's left edge, as with nearly every other 1960 Topps card.

1960 138
 

Interesting Larry---various degrees of the different margins as well

The Spinks border irregularity at top is fairly common, those on left side less so. Here is one with it on top and lower on side

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UOAAA...hQP/s-l400.jpg

Al, what is also interesting is I don't recall seeing another 1960 card with it's back like this.....I would think that the this card was probably on an uncut sheet's right edge. I can't seem to find a 1960 uncut sheet from this series to see where it is located on the sheet and what card is above/below this one. Possibly the card above/below may be similar. Either way, it appears that about 1 in 5 copies of this card have the shortened coloring.

I have seen dozens and dozens of the Spinks card with the top border break, but have yet to see one with either the side or both the top/side. Nice find. The search will continue for one besides the top border break.

Somewhere in this thread is another 1960 card with similar back issue. Will look for it later

Edit--- see posts 654 and 655

79 Murphy
 

Recurring print defect in yellow banner. Would love to know of any other variations/defects with this specific card.

"The Blue And The Grey"
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...ATHEWS_NEW.JPG

...I was assembling some newly-arrived partial sets into a complete set and came across the card in the middle ; very distinctly blue in hand...I searched E-Bay and it appears to be about two out of ten have that blue hue; there's a gorgeous overpriced "8" with this shade on there now-it even extends to the uniform....he was a great guy and athlete and died 'way 'way too young...

..

Musial Rookie Misprint
 

Received this from a recent collection, sent in to PSA and they confirmed it was a misprint. Put card on EBay asking $2500 or best offer just to see who is interested.

Focus , Grasshopper , Focus...
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...BLURRR_NEW.JPG

...his last name is really butchered ; a lot of the white lettering is just pure missing as is a lot of the yellow print from "THIRD BASE"...It received a "PSA 6" and is obviously without the Q for faulty registration/focus....might it actually be a PSA 8 (OF) ? but they requested "no Q's"...

..it was already graded when I bought the "some raw/some graded partial set" to play around with..you have to wonder what some people were thinking when they spent $10-$12 dollars plus insured shipping to have a sketchy example like this graded ? Maybe it was a centering weenie ; you know how strange they can be...

..

Actually, with that cert number, it was probably graded 15 or so years ago. Might have only been $4 at the time? And their standards on (OF) cards may have changed over time. Definitely think it would be an OF qualifier if submitted now.

Yes , very old serial number
 

Great 48 Musial. I once saw a white background one but couldn't afford it.

1976 Dennis Eckersly: two black dots in bottom border.
https://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/...ersley/1853797

The 1969 #529 Ed Kirkpatrick comes with and without an obvious black mark on the bill of his hat (neither version appears to be more scarce than the other)...

Attachment 293120 Attachment 293121

And it seems that every one of his cards has some pink splotching on the uniform, but the amount of saturation varies greatly.

Here's another minor, but interesting, variation nonetheless. It's actually a variation within a variation...

These cards are traditional 1969 Topps White Letter (WL) #485 Gaylord Perry Variations...

Attachment 293253

While these cards are traditional 1969 White Letter (WL) #485 Gaylord Perry Variations with an extra thick blue line present and floating to the right of his cheek...

Attachment 293254

They are wickedly tough to find.