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If he does a good job, people will use the service. If not, the service will go away. But it is something not currently done in the marketplace and as such does make sense as a new opportunity for a business. I remember having breakfast with Roger Neufelt before a Philly show maybe 12-15 years ago and this is when PSA had not yet created the .5. His point at the time was a PSA 8 could be a 7.51 to an 8.50. Using that logic, an card which we would now grade 8.5 was graded an 8 and thus qualifies for that purple sticker. |
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This is Miss Mukherjee. If you show her your cards and she feels they're undergraded, she will happily place a purple star sticker on them for you...and if you're polite, she'll also give you a lollipop.
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I also like this line from a more recent song from another group: "He took the mirrors off his Cadillac...because he don't like looking like he looks back." Brian (this Poor/Fair post deserves a purple star!) |
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This thread is a good reminder why I rarely participate on Net54
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1. You attack the credibility of Greg (whom I have never met or communicated with) in post #20 over a screw-down holder. I can tell you that I have personally taken thousands of vintage cards out of screw-down holders and never had a card get damaged or rejected by a TPG. Is it possible? I'm sure it is, but you're really going to attack the credibility of someone for estimating the grade of a card in a screw-down holder? 2. You attack Greg for labeling his own product. Concerning? yes, but where is your outrage over Baseball Card Exchange for authenticating their own product? They are the largest dealer of unopened material in our hobby and doing the exact same thing. 3. You really seem unable to differentiate the concept of technical grade and eye appeal. Nobody is claiming that this company is stickering cards that a TPG undergraded. The TPG got it right with the technical grade. However, there are a lot of cards that have an eye appeal that is superior to the assigned technical grade. This is the service that Greg is trying to provide. Will I ever use this service? Absolutely not, as I have sufficient experience to detect these cards on my own. But I've dealt with a lot of people in this hobby, and I can tell you that a good percentage of this hobby does not have this skill set. Let this guy Greg pursue his idea - if it is a needed service in our hobby, it will do okay, if not, it will fail. I just don't get why people feel the need to attack him and humiliate him. This is why this thread has served as a good reminder why I rarely participate on Net54. |
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How about this good buddy! I would take this venture (which is an obvious ripoff of the PWCC High End Designation - but that is another debate) seriously, if #1) he was an IMPARTIAL 3rd party....IE - DO NOT APPLY THE STICKER TO YOUR OWN INVENTORY, and #2) If you are going to apply it to your own inventory (conflict of interest nonwithstanding) be damned sure that the cards you are applying it to, are indeed WORTHY of being HIGH END for the grade. I have yet to see ONE sticker applied correctly. Even Steve Borock had to sell his personal comic book collection before he joined CGC. Do you understand why he did that??? CONFLICT OF INTEREST. I am sorry that you have nothing to add to the board. I am sorry that myself and other like minded individuals on here have let you down. PS - For #1 I call BS......A card in a screw down holder will 9 times out of 10 get "altered stock". Facts. Not fiction. You have lost credibility with me with your false statement. If you took the time to read what I wrote, I said, be TRUTHFUL with the guy. A Mantle that has been in a screwdown holder for over three decades WILL PROBABLY GET ALTERED STOCK. IT DAMAGES THE CARD!!!!! You can say that is doesn't and you have sneaked 1,000 out of 1,000 by PSA. I know better. To tell the guy otherwise helps the "feel good" story, but doesn't present him with the truth. |
Geez didn't realize I would start such a discussion.... being very new to the card thing I'd say this sticker thing now that I understand is a decent idea; the coin industry uses it and it seems to matter from what I researched this past week. I also found a company called PWCC who has a HIGH END sticker called pwcc-he ! Not sure if u buy it for auction? Or if u ask them to adhere it ? As a newb I can't help but ask WHY DO I NEED TO AUCTION MY CARD to get a 'he' sticker?
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I thought Bob was only talking about cards that had been in screwdowns for "several decades." Back in the 80s not sure if people were protecting cards with a sleeve, or taking care not to overtighten the screws, so it wouldn't surprise me if some of those will be worse for wear when removed.
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I would think the worst case scenario is probably some corner damage which might affect the grade but would not affect whether they grade.
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Sorry if this has already been brought up...
It seems to me that this new company/product will become a likely target for scammers. If someone can sneak a few fake/altered/compromised slabs through the system, they would be able to (fraudulently) profit from doing so. Please note, I am NOT saying the person running the business would be doing this. I am merely stating that there will almost certainly be a non-zero amount of crooks looking to exploit this somehow. |
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If I want to start a company that graded a persons natural toenail “quality” and place a sticker on them such that they get a hotter date..... none of you SOB’s are stopping me!!!!
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The big thing in CAC's favor is that it was started by John Albanese, who is a long-time and well respected member of the numismatic community. He has the "credentials"; coin collectors know who he is, and they respect his opinion. In the case of "Purple Label LLC", who is Greg Campbell? I've been a member of the baseball card community since the 1970s, going to shows, subscribed to Sports Collectors' Digest, The Trader Speaks, Baseball Hobby News, Baseball Cards Magazine, Beckett....., I've been a member of both the CU and Network54 message boards for several years, have bought from/placed bids with most of the major auction houses/dealers, and I have never heard of Greg Campbell anywhere until this thread. It seems to me, to start something like CAC in the sports card community, and be successful, you should have immediate name recognition; someone like Brent Huigens, Steve Hart, Kit Young, Levi Bleam, Bill Goodwin, Dave Kohler; i.e., someone who has been around for years/decades, and who is known and respected in the community. To me, this Greg Campbell doesn't fit the bill. Steve |
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In theory I don’t think it’s a bad concept. Not every 5 is the same not every 6 is the same etc. I see people on eBay and on BST say their cards are undergraded. So if you don’t want to regrade here is the alternative. My question is how is the sticker determined. Does the company have flaw preferences? Does a card that is centered get a sticker despite having dinged corners and a small wrinkle versus an oc card that has nicer corners and no wrinkles?
The other thing I’ll say is I don’t think this works as a mail in service. I mail in 10 cards I feel are undergraded and get 3 stickers. So I pay $50 for these 3 stickers. Plus shipping etc. seems to me this would work better as an in person service. Charge $1 or $2 for rejects and $5 for the sticker. Not sure if that is profitable enough. Plus you might get a lot of pissed off people who disagree with the rejection of their undergraded cards. I don’t think I’d personally use the service but based on some of the complaints I see for TPGs I understand the concept. |
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1) How can you ensure you will only sticker say 1% or 5% or any % of the cards submitted. For instance, I submit a card to you on day 1 that you deem to be of high grade and sticker it, day 247 someone else submits another card you also deem is high for the grade and sticker that, etc, etc, etc. To ensure you properly sticker only say 1% you would need to know beforehand how many cards truly exist at the top end of the range for that particular grade. I don't see how thats possible beforehand especially since existing cards are being graded every day thereby increasing the total graded population at any grade. It could end up that a high % of the cards in a particular grade for that player in that issue receive a sticker which ends up causing this selectivity service being self defeating. 2) Assuming you are reviewing the card thru the slab (i'm too lazy to go and see if thats how you review the card) and don't have the raw card in hand so you can't see all the flaws, ie, wavy edges, discolorations, types of stains, etc. As a result I might buy a card that has been stickered but if I submitted it for review to say PSA it might not truly be high end for the grade. I would think this process could actually de-value a card. Seems gimicky I will pass. |
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Could we have a yellow sticker for every overgraded card. Or perhaps multiple colors. If the card got a 7 but deserves a 6 it could be yellow. If it deserved a 5 it could be orange. If it should have been graded authentic altered it could be red with the letters WTF printed on the sticker. Now that would be a valuable service.
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Here's an idea lets slab the slab with a purple label rather than purple sticker so it can't be removed. Then in a few years we can make it a black label rather than purple to require resubmission of the slab-slab. Then make a different slab size to require another re-submission for slab-slab, etc. Oh the HUMANITY. This is ridiculous.
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CAC stickers are certainly popular in the coin hobby and typically garner a premium. I look at a lot of coins and those that are stickered always have nice surfaces and very good eye appeal. So it does have some credibility.
In the baseball card hobby, cards with perfect or near perfect centering could easily be stickered, as well as those with exceptional eye appeal. That said, IMO less is more, and we as collectors are relying too much on the opinions of third party graders. In a perfect world we would learn to grade our own cards, and do it accurately so that others would accept our opinions. But slabs have taken over many hobbies, and they have become among the most incredible marketing tools ever. |
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That's a really interesting point Steve.
I've collected coins longer than I've collected cards, but with a lot more and longer "vacations" from the hobby. Started coins as a kid, figure around 1970, maybe/probably a bit earlier. Didn't start cards until 73-4 and got more into it in 77. Actually did both plus stamps plus other stuff off and on for a while. Without much budget of course. With all the time I've taken off from coins, I don't really know who anyone is aside from maybe a few of the really long term people that write for the magazines. That instant credibility vs relative obscurity is probably going to be a key thing going forward. And it may end up being regional, someone well known in Mass might not be well known in Cal. Quote:
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But to me the issue isn't whether Greg is known, I believe from what has been said that he has the credentials, there are many experts who have flown under the radar. For me, the question is whether this service really adds value and I'm just not in favor of 4th party grading whether it's done by Brent, Greg, or anyone else. |
This sounds similar to an audit. That can be somewhat painful.
Leon, can we add a purple sticker to threads? Then we would all know which ones are worth reading and which ones are not. :D |
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Seeing as how he is labeling his own product with wild abandon (whether it truly deserves it or not) while you got a 1 out of 20 shot of getting one yourself tells me all I need to know about this venture.
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What is the point of applying a purple label to a card Beckett already has graded Gem Mint?
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If this business wants to succeed, IF it starts getting popular, the #1 thing he should do is hire an impartial grader. After seeing this sticker on the Johnny Bench PSA 1 with all the numerous flaws it had leads me to believe he IS NOT impartial. Like Leon, there might be a need for this in the future. PWCC already got the ball rolling with their HE stickers. When you are trying to get yourself established NOW is not the time for half measures.
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Hey, I used to do the same thing with my girlfriends...used to....
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who, the comedians or the sticker guys? :D
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They posted a bunch of cards with stickers on their facebook page. They actually look pretty nice.
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A 1966 Topps Mantle PSA 4 with a diamond cut and moderate corner wear. A 1978 OPC Murray PSA 8 that's off-center. A 1960 Topps Yaz RC PSA 5 with significant PD. All cards that I would consider average for the grade. Does not inspire confidence. |
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I still would like a answer to my questions.
I’ll ask one of them again . How can a 10 or for a better example a BGS 9.5 get a purple sticker ? Is it better then most 9.5s? How ? |
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Not sure if this question has been asked or answered yet. However, what provisions are made if a "purple label" holder does not crossover or get a better grade through re-submission? Are only PSA, SGC and BGS holders evaluated? What about GAI?
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I see these guys are advertisers here now. Good luck to them...they're going to need it.
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Thank you Leon for the advertising opportunity. Also, thank you to
everyone who had comments or suggestions. Everybody has been heard loud and clear. Your critique [good or bad] is actually vital to the growth of our service. I say that with absolute sincerity. Thanks to everyone again, Greg |
Can't wait to start my new business. Just need to get my website up...www.gradinggradingcards.com. Also, working on my new "blue labels" and my advertising campaign. "Not happy with your Purple Label review? Send your purple label cards to us for a truly independent review and we will tell you which purple labels really are the best in their purple label grading class by issuing our Blue Label stamp of approval! Just call us the guys who grade the guys who grade the guys who grade your cards!" 😂
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Probstein is running a bunch of Purple Label cards
Here is one of the listings https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-10-1968...edirect=mobile |
LOL at a card with a qualifier and a purple sticker. It's a high-end 6(ST) I guess.
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But it's a high end stain... nicer than most stains you'd normally see on a '68 Topps.
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The purple sticker will only work if it is applied carefully, and not too frequently. I look at a lot of coins (as I've mentioned) and I always try to study as many as I can that have the CAC sticker. I see so many coins that are overgraded (what else is new) but I have to say the CAC coins generally look properly graded, and usually have nice eye appeal. So it looks like they are doing something right. Are the stickers needed? That's debatable. Are they accomplishing what they set out to do? It appears they are.
So the purple sticker has to be put on cards that genuinely deserve it. If the service just becomes a favor for dealers who do a lot of business and are putting a lot of pressure on the company for more stickers, then it will fail. Someone just posted a group of 1968 Topps that are PSA 7's and are all stickered. Frankly, they look like most other PSA 7's I see every day. So I am already a bit skeptical. Time will tell whether the hobby will accept them. |
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You guys are funny. This one looks pretty sweet though.
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