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Just a question out of curiosity.... Obviously almost everyone agrees that selling a card that has been altered without disclosing it is wrong. Do you think that if you have a card that has been graded and you crack it out of the slab and sell it raw that you have an obligation to disclose what the grade was?
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Otherwise, no obligation, as it's just arbitrary anyway. The buyer of the card can just judge it for themselves. No "expert opinion" or randomly assigned number is necessary! |
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If you're selling "as looks like Mint" an ExMt card that was previously graded as ExMt that's deceptive, but that's so misrepresenting the card whether or not one should disclose the professional grade. |
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I agree with you that as a seller I want to be as accurate and up front as I possibly can be with any card that leaves my possession because that it my name, my reputation on the line. |
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Now if someone will quote this Ted can see it.:rolleyes: |
Does anyone see a good long term outlook of this?
For me it’s going to take Until most of the money comes out of all this....... It’s all cyclical..........Here is what I see envisioning happening........ No TPG’s will be held accountable.....their options become less valuable......doesn’t matter my mind is made up, their complicit, extremely inept, and or way worse ....... No Trimmers will do jail time.......no auction houses will do jail time..... Repeat cycle 10-15 years down the road You can only polish a turd so long......it’s still and will always be a turd .....very said. Prayers for something positive in 2020 for this crooked industry |
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I believe the auction house/EBay shilling will be exposed and punished. Also, the IRS will get theirs on the trimming/kick backs etc. The rest...not so much. Just my thoughts.
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How’s CLCT since joes last conference earnings call?
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He knows nothing.
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Did I miss the part where they showed proof of who trimmed or consigned the cards? Or is just that the ebay ID associated with his business purchased them? |
OK, went through my collection for the first time in a while.
Is it my imagination, or does half my collection in TPG holders look slightly trimmed? This thread is messing with my head... |
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I don’t think many of the sales were real......they were fake Kabookie Thester BS.
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And to all others in the same boat... do not hesitate to send them back to PSA, and make them live up to their supposed "guarantee". Given their continued denial and arrogance, they should not be allowed to sweep this under the rug! |
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There is way too much mediocre low-mid graded stuff out there for that, especially in the countless spots where a minor alteration would only be improving a $60 card into a $100 one. I'd have to think that when it comes to the post WW2 stuff, the bulk of the issue would still be around grade 6-7 and up. Obviously anything earlier 20th century is a different ballgame |
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No idea what happened after, but I can't imagine it went well for him. But at least he didn't go down over not paying taxes. It's a hard thing to know, unless someone gets charged and has to prove they paid. |
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My card sales etc, get claimed as miscellaneous income. They are also pretty small. And since my wife is in the computer industry taxed pretty heavily. (No that that's a bad thing) Hmmmm….. if I call the odd bits of "Junk" I sell "assets" maybe I can call it capital gains instead and save a few percent.. Nah, best to just pay the higher rate and have no problems. |
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Here comes the 71's:D "I ain't no Shellanbeck girl" . And this hasn't been discussed but you know all too well it's happening with all the "flips". More flip's than mary lou retton. A previously trimmed 7.5 that was cracked out yet again to make a nice fake 8 and beat some chump for 400. Another 5 k to add to the running total that will exceed 1 billion once this scam has been tallied. And those will just be the ones we know of. Collect what you love and if you love to get your teeth kicked in, keep supporting the PSA fraud. |
Does anyone holding a large amount or large value amount of Non Altered Slabbed Cards have an Exit Strategy To Limit their losses/downside potential from the impending collateral damage that in my opinion will be occurring from all
This Mess? Maybe my theory is way off idk Thoughts ? |
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I do have a complete graded set(I had them graded) that I know are all unaltered, am still on the fence about selling them. I have had them for years and I bought them from a guy that had them for decades. I do have about 10 other graded cards I plan on keeping. I personally hope the scammers and lemmings get stuck holding the bag. I don't see it happening though because too many lemmings will jump at the chance to buy the altered graded cards if the prices start falling. |
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I honestly think it will be after I die :) and I'll let my grand kids sort it out for fun and a few extra bucks in their pockets. I still like em, I'm just pissed that I was ripped off. Mostly just mad at myself because in the back of my mind, I knew. |
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Thousands have already been exposed, but that's just a tiny fraction of what's really out there. It's been happening for years, but the ability to prove it is still barely in its infancy. Stay tuned... it's just the tip of the iceberg, with many more developments to follow. |
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We will see. I am long on cards - very old, very rare, blue chip players, blue chip sets, etc. I believe the market for Cobb, Wagner, Ruth, etc will always be there, regardless of how this shakes out. There may be some damage concerning high grade t206s and 33 Goudey, and I think high grade cards from 1950s+ could take a real beating; but I am not worried about the likes of this card:
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The huge premiums paid for some higher grade cards may come down if people realize most have been altered at one time or another. But based on the sales of high grade vintage and modern 9.5s and 10s I have not seen any indication of that as of yet. |
I think a lot of people will get away from graded cards all together.
I've read and understand the reasons why TPG's became part of the hobby but with today's technology, as far as photos and scanning goes, things aren't like those days before the TPG's came along. Some will say they provide a service, help those know the cards are real, not doctored, etc, but I think a lot of people now realize those are things even TPG's can't guarantee. |
This is basketball and mainly Beckett but HOLY BLEEPING WOW and it takes a LOT to get me to say that when it comes to the shadiness in the hobby.
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Both the fine art and the antiquities markets are swimming with fakes and sophisticated counterfeits yet prices and record highs in both markets continue to rise year after year. I don’t see why the sports card market would be any different. For the vast majority of sports collectors (or really all collectors) being able to A) Show it off, B) be able to say “I own it”, C) Complete a project, or D) all of the above far outweighs everything else.
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What a Crock Of S**T.....Give me a Break...... No way I’m calling total Market Manipulation by So Called “Investors” and others.....such a farce....top it all off there are thousands of more altered cards in the Bogus So Called Market Place...it’s deep rotten and wrong... Top it all off the TPG’s Don’t Know their Asses from a Hole in the Ground when it comes to knowing wether a card is trimmed or altered.....Or Far Worse They’re In on it with Certain Big Time Submitters... Invitationals ????? Very Sad on Many Levels |
Ran across these reprints of Mike Trout serial #'d Bowman Chrome auto cards on Etsy. The seller lists them as reprints and is not trying to pass them off as real, but I cant believe that they won't make their way into someone's hands down the road who would do that.
Also, several other #'d, autographed reprints are listed. At a minimum, there should be some type of copyright infringement issues with these. I've contacted Etsy and alerted them to these unauthorized counterfeit card; we'll see if there is any action. |
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And card values, according to the pwcc indexes are flat the past 30 months. 30 months that should have seen significant gains. And unrelated, but I am skeptical that there will be a next generation that can absorb all of the collections that will get sold in the next 20 years. Average age here has to be mid 50s, market is going to be flooded with large collections coming to market. Is there really a second wave of collectors to absorb all of these cards are premium prices? |
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