Roz
 

That card also has zit/blemish versus no zit /blemish versions

roznovsky
 

Saved,
the card I list in my variations page is one I have never seen. I have looked for a couple years but never seen anything that I think would qualify specifically as "red eye and cheek".
many of these cards vary a fair bit on amount of red, but still I am stumped. Don't recall where I heard of the variation, but I believe Al or someone may have one...
meanwhile, this card of yours is a new one on me.
Richard

Roz
 

Zit on chin at right. Maybe looks more reddish too

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1417880517

chin?
 

Sorry Al, only his forehead comes through...
Looking forward to the chin.
Richard

Richard, this print defect on the Rox card may be one that is not as clearly defined or as consistent as other similar defects because it appears that there are multiple variations of this defect.

Roz
 

For some reason Photobucket will not let me properly crop and size the Roz cards

1967 Roz
 

Saved,
You are correct, there are lots of small variations. No one has yet mentioned the light bluish circle in middle of hair above forehead, nor the short red/white lines at top of forehead at hairline. Both are fairly common, more so than the chin zits, I think.
Al, thanks, now I can see the chin!
richard

Noticed today that this 61 242 Hal Smith card has a limited, but recurring print mark near the upper right corner. I have seen many copies of this card, but until today, I had not noticed this.

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/y...ps335d6860.jpg
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http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/y...psfadaa965.jpg

1976 Brooks Robinson variation
 

Hello Everyone,

I found this color variation on this 1976 Brooks Robinson card. The blue banner and white print at the bottom of the card is unusual. I scrolled through the listings on eBay and didn't see anything like it.

Thought it might be of interest here.

Best regards,

Joe

Very cool card. Looks to be missing the yellow from the printing process.

I agree that it appears that the yellow-less card is missing the yellow most likely due to it's omission during the printing process, but only on that card's bottom portion. To me it appears that the green border around BRobby's image is the same green on both cards (the border does not appear to be missing the yellow). In addition, on the yellow-less card, the green border does not appear to match the bottom banner(which is a greenish-blue due to missing the yellow?). Could be my bad eyesight though. Nice find either way Joe!

Color variation
 

Your eye sight is fine. The green in the border does not match the blueish color in the bottom banner. Its weird that the yellow would be omitted only at the bottom of the card.

Does anybody have an idea of how that could happen?

Thanks,

Joe

Yes Larry your description is much better than mine. After looking through some notes the yellow ink is very cheap on the 76 set and is easily removed. This card could be easily made(altered). I am not saying the one pictured is altered because I have not seen it in hand, just saying they can easily be made.

Thanks Ben. Your explanation does makes sense and would answer the question of why only the banner at the bottom of the card seems to be missing yellow ink.

I did examine the card with a loupe, and I don't see any evidence of tampering. Under magnification I can see no trace of yellow color in the bottom banner at all. The white in the Orioles name is identical with the white in the border of the card. The gloss of the card is also consistent top to bottom. I don't see any evidence of a chemical alteration.

Is there any way that I can test to see if the card has been altered?

Best regards,

Joe

With your card use the best loupe you have and make sure the blue in the banner is consistant with the blue on the upper part of the card. I use a 60-100X top lighted microscope.

At high magnification the card will just be made up of blue, red, yellow, and black dots. Make sure the blue dots look exactly the same color/tint on bottom and top of card. Without any magnification you could compare the blue banner on your card to another card from the 76 set that has the blue border normally.

This 76 Topps card has had the yellow removed. 2nd card is what it should look like. They are not the same card.

1949 Leaf variation
 

Tough to find Red cap variation

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...etersonBxR.jpg


TED Z
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I've been searching for another 1969 blue Mantle since 1987 when I acquired this one.

Does anyone here have a blue one, or have seen blue one ?


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...Mantle50xx.jpg.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eMantle50x.jpg



TED Z
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I have seen them with a blue tint but never as blue as yours Ted. That one is very nice looking.

It can happen a few ways. Some printing errors, some not.

On the printing side -
A misfeed can cause one sheet to overlap another blocking a color.

A piece of debris can get into the press. Scrap of paper, bit of cloth, plastic, pretty much anything. Good practices prevent a lot of that, but if the press operators are sloppy it happens.

Paper jam, can cause either a foldover to block part of the sheet or a chunk of leftover to become debris within the press affecting the next sheet.

A very bad jam just might damage the plate. I saw it once, but I've never seen a card that I felt was from something like that. It has to be a really bad jam, and the press has to be stopped to clear all the wreckage out and make sure it's ok to keep going. A missing portion of the plate should be obvious.

The plate can be made wrong. An obstruction when It's exposed like what made the 90T Thomas NNOF.

The ink to that portion of the plate can be blocked or shut off or run out.

The water to that portion of the plate can be way overdone.

Solvent can spill on the plate. It's usually more confined since it's usually just drips, but it IS a 70's Topps card...........


On the non- printing side-

If it sat in the sun with another card on top of it the yellow could fade in only the exposed area. You can usually rule this out if there's red in the same area as red is often the first to fade. Ben has done some really great work on fading and which colors from which years are worse than others. If he found the 76 yellow to be particularly bad it just might fade before the red.

Steve B

Yellow to Blue
 

We have discussed the blue/green issue before. I have not seen multiple Mays but have seen multiple blue Aarons with differing levels of green. I think my Mays is faded from sun. I think on the many Aarons, many are sun or light faded, possibly some intentionally after some high dollar blue sales. It could be some of the Aarons are legit, but if so, we should probably be seeing some bluish 58 common cards around. Agree that Ben's experiments on fading have been very revealing


http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img369.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img366.jpg

In going through some 59's, I noticed this fairly frequently recurring print variaition on the 59 Hal Brown card....there is a print spot on the "r" in "brown".

Flipping through some 71s, I found two more print variations...first, the 71 173 Garrido can be found with the position partially obliterated. Besides my copy, I found just this one other copy(pictured). Second, I noticed a "bouncing" red doughnut on the 71 #207 Foster card. This recurring print spot is "bouncing" as it seems to move right to left on the few cards I found it on (on my copy, that is not pictured, the doughnut is more to the left).

I had started a thread about this card, but realized it would fit in nicely here, so I cut and pasted it:

If you look at 1972 Topps #209, Joe Rudi, some of his cards appear with varying lengths of a line (hair? crack in the printing plate?) emanating from the left of his name at bottom. (These are all ebay screen grabs.) In the first, there is just a bit of a line apparent. The second shows a much longer line, and the third features this anomaly crossing through Joe and eventually reaching the top white border. It's a little tough to see in the lo-res pic, but just follow the curving line from the bottom on up and you'll see what I mean. It is also worth noting that the first and third cards also feature what I would call an 'iron burn' on the front of the card. It's a triangular dark area and looks as if someone burnt the card while ironing it. It's most prominent in the third card, where the line intersects it below Rudi's elbow.

Attachment 171523

Nice find Darren....any idea if the card below Rudi on the original full sheet has the continuation of this line along it's top edge, as it looks as though on the 3rd image you posted that the line would continue onto the card below?

It's funny. I have no idea whether or not the line goes anywhere else on the Rudi sheet, but I looked through the few pics of 1972 Topps uncut sheets that I've downloaded over the years and found a very interesting tidbit.

Card #607 Frank Duffy is called the 'yellow letter' version (similar to #534 Jim Hickman), but the card really just has less green in it than the 'normal' version. It's not, by any means, devoid of green. It's just much, much lighter (in some cases, verging on being non-existent). Well, on the sheet shown here, the 'normal' version is at top and the 'yellow letter' version is three cards below it. Since all of the colors of the cards seem correct, maybe the balance of green to yellow on that card was due to the actual layout of the cards and wasn't due to a lack of yellow or cyan (blue) during the printing process? But, then again, perhaps something else was at play that caused the dearth of color? Either way, pretty cool.

Attachment 171527

Never noticed the Duffy before...nice.


This 63 Topps #32 card has a unique "glowing" green spot near the left edge of the card...it is very green in hand, unlike the scan. Could not find another example though.

While flipping through some of my new arrivals, I found a copy of a 65 #596 card with a pink spot on the neck area. Found two other copies (PSA 7 on ebay) that have the pink spot on the neck.

Hmmm...in 1965 Topps had to airbrush out a pink t-shirt that Landrum had on underneath his uniform, in 1966 they had to airbrush out a button in his pants. It's a good thing he didn't have a 1967 Topps card.

Cliff, any ideas on why there is also pink above Don's right ear on his 65 pinkie??

Found two copies of this 69 Wert with a break in the black border of the yellow player name/position circle (right side). Had not seen this one before.

Just saw this mentioned on the PSA boards. I picked up this copy for 85 cents:
http://img.comc.com/i/Baseball/1972/...6393&size=zoom.

But I also noticed the sales information on COMC. Since Oct 1, there have been 11 sales of this card. Previous quarters ranged from 0-4 copies.
https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/...84&oe=54FCB6BB

Interesting? I bought mine since my father was a crime scene analyst for 30+ years for the state of Florida before he retired last year. Just reminds me of the AFIS computer and latent prints.

Cool card. There are 3 distinct different McNertney variations. In post #89 of this thread they are pictured along with another fingerprint card. I also picked up a 61 Fleer Al Simmons with a nice fingerprint from the B/S/T section a few months ago.

Latent?
 

Hmm... I wonder if your dad could identify the culprit.

Yeah, I quoted your post. ;-)
I was showing that because of that post a few months ago, it probably led to a buying spree of this variation of the card on comc. See, Net54 drives sales...

He probably could have, but that would be against the rules (unless it was for training new hires?...). Sadly, he passed away this summer. And the print will only match something if an exemplar is in the national database. So hopefully it won't match anyone, or they would have been accused of a serious crime.

I have always figured it was Sy Berger's finger print........tough to tell if it matches the print on Ben's 61 McCovey.

Oh Oh another one
 

Wow, Al that one with the big yellow print error is super cool.

I'd bet it's not Sy Bergwer on the McNelty or McCovey cards. In my correspondence with him, he said that he did not get involved with the production of the cards. Now, Woody Gelman would be a possibility.

But in reality, it is probably an unknown printer, as Gelman was in the art department,not production effort.

Cheers,
Patrick

Who did what and why
 

I bet both those guys would look at this thread and say all of us need to get a life. Baseball cards to them was just a token to sell gum

A long time collector (have not seen him post here though) recently pointed this print variation out to me. On the back of the 67 Topps #15 Battey card the bottom most line below the stats is either unbroken or has a small break on it. In quickly looking through DC and COMC at the backs it appears that about for every copy with the line unbroken, there are three copies with the small break.

That's a really cool line break. Not so much for the break, but for the unbroken line being a repair. You can see where the break was the line is a bit thick and uneven. That's probably from the press operator fixing it by scratching the missing section into the plate. There just might be normal ones with a nice even line if more than one plate was used.

Steve B

Steve, to me the unevenness of the repair is more obvious in hand than in the scan....out of the 20+ copies I viewed with the "repaired" line, they all appear quite similar, a bit thick and uneven. It would be nice to have a "more cleanly repaired line" variation to chase also.

Battey
 

I heard about this one some time back. I bought one from someone selling it as a variant on ebay

Not sure if I have seen this variation mentioned here before or not, but I came across two 66 522 Linz cards on ebay that have a white slash that runs from his upper back to the right edge of card. Appears to be a low pct of cards that have the white slash. Anyone else have one?

Update: as I typed this, a third copy with the white slash was just listed on ebay.

Found this 67 #195 card with a border break on the right edge....have not seen this print variation before.

Jackson
 

saved,
I have one of those '67 Jacksons and the reverse is an upside down #178 Buzhardt, wonder if yours is likewise.
brightair

ps
 

have been adding some 1967 common variations lately on my lists and will be adding several more next week.
brightair

https://sites.google.com/site/richar...ns-1960---1969

Hi Richard, that incorrect, reversed back would be a nice additional twist to this print variation....unfortunately, my copy has the correct back. Also, thank you for maintaining your (ever growing) list....I look through it daily it seems.

I have not seen this HOF print variation mentioned before....72 Cepeda has a recurring break in the inner right border. There are at least 10 (of a 100 or so) copies on ebay with this border break.

Have not seen too many of these 60 Averill's with the yellow print fading out on the card's bottom, right side, but here are two. With these images from DC, it is not as obvious as when this card is in hand, but the yellow box (with name, pos etc) does not extend all of the way to the right border of the above image and with the streaks of missing yellow, the "green" grass in the picture blue streaks. Possible that the cards above or below on the sheet could be missing some of the yellow too.

Guess what's different about this one:

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit...0back%201.jpeg

Probably completely off on this, but something looks different about the buttons on Aaron's jersey....what ever the difference is, is it something only seen on this proof?

It's not a proof, just a blank back error.

Nice....was it hand cut?

1959 Topps Pedro Ramos
 

While looking through eBay for the Yellow cornered Ramos, I found this version on 2 or 3 listings. I picked this one up.

It has a full yellow line across the top border.

http://www.collectorfocus.com/images...78-pedro-ramos

..
 

Nice catch Curt.

If someone else has one of these, please let me know. It's the only one I have ever seen. If a previous owner erased the "P" or used chemicals to remove it they did a very good job. I have held it up to a bright light and didn't see any evidence of that.

Found this 68 Blefary with a "swipe" of missing print on the back...out of 35 copies on DC and COMC there were 3 copies I saw like this.

Cliff, from the scan is almost looks like the "ball" is brighter (less dull) white than the white border. Does it appear the same in hand?

I will have to find the card and look at it. I don't know why someone would painstakingly go through the trouble of very professionally eliminating the "P" in the ball and then just sell it on eBay as a common. I spotted it a few years ago and bought it for a dollar or so. But, until I see another one I will be skeptical of it.

Nice blank back Hank Aaron.

For all of us patriotic variation collectors out there, you can't beat this print variation....found several copies (COMC/DC/ebay) of this 69 109 card that have varying degrees of extra red on the flag stripes and jersey. The upper left card seems to be the most typical example of this card with little to no extra red in the stripes, as the stripes are fairly faint. The top right and bottom left card appear to have slightly more red on the flag's stripes and some small spots of excess red on the jersey(below the "E" and above the "D"). The bottom right card(same amount of red as my copy has), the red is heavier on this copy than it is on any of the other copies....the red stripes are heavier and the excess red on the jersey is much more pronounced. Does anyone else have a copy of this extra patriotic card?

I good friend just picked up this beauty.

Damn, they got it for 99 cents on eBay. I used to look for that card religiously but eventually gave up because I figured it was a waste of time.

Yes Jerry is a lucky SOB. It is amazing how that print dot hit in just the perfect spot. I am sure all us weirdo print error collectors have spent a lot of time searching for that card.

EDIT: I just went and looked and the eBay listing even listed it as #293. I can't believe so many people missed it.

I was looking at sold items on eBay for Topps errors and variations when I came across a 1976-80 Topps lot of 15 blank back cards that sold for $104.50 back in November 2014. I was bewildered why the lot went for so high so I looked it over until I figured it out. 14 of the 15 cards are run of the mill blank backs from 1976, 1978, and 1980, but it contains a 1979 card that is obviously an early stage unissued proof card. It has a photo of Phillie Tug McGraw but is listed as Jim Essian of the A's. The card is also lacking black ink, and appears to be crudely cut off of a sheet. Anyone else ever see a 1979 Topps error proof card like that one?

I have not seen that variation in that year before. I have a few of the sheet cut 79 Fronts with the 78 backs. Know I have a 79 fronted Willie Randolph but can't remember who the 78 player is on the back.

Found this 68 #101 Beckert with a right border break due to a white print streak... saw about 5 out of 50+ copies with this.

Here is a front back picture of the 1979 Topps Willie Randolph front with the 1978 wrongback of Rick Burleson with just a sliver of the #200 Reggie Jackson card.

There are always some of those on eBay, the 1979 cards with the badly off center 1978 backs. I read before that leftover 1978 printed backs were used as a practice run for the new 1979 fronts, and some of them escaped the dumpster and made their way into the hands of collectors. It's possible that Keith Olbermann talked about some of the 1979 Topps proof error cards in his three part series, but I was never able to find the third part where he talks about 1977 and up. Correction, it was a four part series and Olbermann only talks about 1977 in the last part.

Yes eBay is where I got mine several years ago. Also got some 79 Topps blank fronts that are sheet(hand) cut at the same time.

I will have to look and see if I can find Olbermans 4 part series.

Yes, the 79 fronts with 78 backs were rescued by someone, I forget the dealer who ended up with them. I bought a strip of them at the time, arrived poorly packed and a bit creased since the box got a bit crushed in the mail. I still have it somewhere.

That was my second experience with mail order for collectibles, neither went all that well. They've been ok over time of course, but at the time it put me off mail order for a long time.

The 78 backs were also used for Bazooka boxes. They also used cardboard from Black Hole cards for bazooka boxes.

Steve B

Dumb question - you frequently see the 1978 Topps baseball cards with Mork & minday stickers on the back - my question for any in the know, did someone just peel the sticker off the original Mork & Mindy card and then stick it on a 1978 Topps card?

I'm not even sure how these could have been created at the factory ... because you use different paper for the baseball cards than was used for teh peel off stickers.

Always seemed like a scam (that many people bought) to me.

Nope, just more use of scrap by Topps. I have one, and it's the sticker front printed onto the baseball card stock. Probably from using the leftover baseball stuff to adjust the presses.

Steve B

So, the "sticker" isn't a sticket in this case (i.e. you can't peel it off). It's just a printed version of teh sticker on baseball card stock. Right?

Had these 1967s for a very long time. Came out of a vending box. Fronts are not badly centered but the backs were all off. You can see where some of them go together. Funny I have 2 Jim Hicks cards and both are off one a little more than the other. The cards are like NRMT! You can see the start of the Dodgers team card next to Alou..

Some green and blue beards and some blurr boys!

The front of the single card is a perfectly centered '64 Topps #214 Ken McMullen. But the back includes parts of four cards none of which is McMullen.
<a href="http://s176.photobucket.com/user/larrytipton/media/64.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w185/larrytipton/64.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 64.jpg"/></a>

Here is a HOF print variation...72 #300 Aaron, found only a few copies with the print line across his legs. This line is much more obvious in hand versus the images from DC. This line would be similar to red line that appears on some copies of the 306 Boswell card.