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Peter_Spaeth 02-26-2018 12:42 PM

Not sure if it's been mentioned -- "priced to sell."

Pat R 02-26-2018 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290 (Post 1751660)
cute,,,

What's cute about it Kevin? You commented that you couldn't believe
the thread was still going and Peters first post had razor sharp corners
which it didn't so I just stated that needed to read it again. Heck some of your
BST threads are almost as long as this one.

RedsFan1941 02-26-2018 02:06 PM

"extremely tough ft/bk combo"

"impossible to find in this grade"

Butch7999 02-26-2018 02:10 PM

From the memorabilia (non-card) side: "searched the internet and couldn't find anything about this item anywhere."
No, you did not search at all, or else you're impossibly bad at using a search engine.

Pat R 02-26-2018 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941 (Post 1751930)
"extremely tough ft/bk combo"

"impossible to find in this grade"

I forgot about this one Ronnie. I would put this at the top of the list.

Davidlisa 02-26-2018 02:24 PM

Pack Fresh ! All cards are pack fresh at one time or another. Plus it messes up my ebay search under packs.

darwinbulldog 02-26-2018 02:55 PM

I've used most of the terms listed in this thread at one time or another, and for that I sincerely apologize.

ullmandds 02-26-2018 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat R (Post 1751928)
What's cute about it Kevin? You commented that you couldn't believe
the thread was still going and Peters first post had razor sharp corners
which it didn't so I just stated that needed to read it again. Heck some of your
BST threads are almost as long as this one.

never mind...pls delete!:p

CMIZ5290 02-26-2018 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1751963)
never mind...pls delete!:p

You never let me down Pete. Ice fishing must be slowing down....

LeftHandedDane 02-26-2018 04:21 PM

Using the phrase "Set Break" in the description when you're selling two or three cards from that set.

JoeDfan 02-26-2018 04:40 PM

Reading all of these REALLY makes me want to go back to my one item for sale and see how many of these phrases I can get into the listing.

Maybe if I have some time later.

ullmandds 02-26-2018 04:44 PM

i hate when the word "set" is used to describe anything that is not a set!

ullmandds 02-26-2018 04:46 PM

additionally I hate it when a seller is trying to sell a grossly off centered card with a qualifier...stating when the new buyer sends it in for grading it will not likely receive that qualifier.

paulcarek 02-26-2018 04:59 PM

Sorry if these have already been mentioned, but:

"The nicest (low grade) you will ever see."

"Nicer than most (higher grades) I've seen."

CobbSpikedMe 02-26-2018 05:49 PM

I agree that the pompous terms that auction houses use in their descriptions like obverse, extant, etc. are annoying at this point.

The term beater doesn't annoy me, but when it's used to describe a VG card then that annoys me. I'm proud of some of my beaters and trust me, no real beater can be graded higher than a 1. And a lot of 1's aren't even real beaters to be honest. Let's all keep this term to be used only to describe a true beater.

bnorth 02-26-2018 06:13 PM

The best part of this thread for me is from the posts I can picture who some of the sellers are that are being posted about.:eek::D

Michael B 02-26-2018 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog (Post 1751953)
I've used most of the terms listed in this thread at one time or another, and for that I sincerely apologize.

L@@K! Your request may be deserving of attention, but it would be rare for you to receive forgiveness. My research indicates it would almost be unique. We may just have to put you against a wall and pelt you with pack fresh cards with razor sharp corners. The trauma may cause your eyes to pop, but hopefully you will be contrite. GOD BLESS!!!!!!!!!

Snapolit1 02-27-2018 05:26 AM

I know it’s an eBay thing, but it irks me when “pre owned” shows up in an item description. Of course it’s pre owned, you doofus.

SAllen2556 02-27-2018 06:50 AM

Apostrophes!!!! Not a hobby term, but they seem to be incorrectly embedded in many descriptions.

Rule 1: Do not use an apostrophe on a word that is simply plural.

Lot of Goudey's for sale
Which of the Goudey Ruth's do you like best?
Mystery's of the Goudey set
Still seeking Goudey's
FS: Jello and Post Hank Aaron’s
T67 high's for trade

Ugh.

1952boyntoncollector 02-27-2018 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric72 (Post 1751910)
The use of this term bothers me, as well. I remember when being called a “goat” in sports was a bad thing. For those who may not remember, “goat” was the opposite of “hero.”

Hit a home run to win the game in the bottom of the ninth, and the media will be singing your praises. Then, in the very next game, strike out in the bottom of the ninth to end the game...the media would have said that you’ve, “gone from hero to goat.”

Words change. I get that. Still, this reminds me of a time when it suddenly became popular to call girls, “phat” - and have it be a compliment.

Bill Buckner is happy of the word definition change..

rocketman 02-27-2018 08:15 AM

"The best I can do is..." Table dealers at card shows.

aaroncc 02-27-2018 08:21 AM

card in hand
waterfront

frankbmd 02-27-2018 08:35 AM

This thread annoys me. Does anyone really think this hobby is so special or unique? We are talking about “marketing”, plain and simple.

Hyperbole

Cliche

Little white lies

Pricing techniques

Etc

Where would we be without it? Do you completely believe every ad you see or read?

If you want completely honest marketing, try the following:

Buy this vacuum cleaner, it sucks ......................................for awhile.;)

Our insurance policy will support our agents’ families. You get what’s left over.:eek:

Redistribute wealth, hire an attorney.:D

Vote for me, why not?:cool:

Follow me on Twitter, what the hell for?:rolleyes:

And before Peter chimes in, the physician whose ad follows:

All my patients die ....................................sooner or later.:)

Peter_Spaeth 02-27-2018 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1752198)
This thread annoys me. Does anyone really think this hobby is so special or unique? We are talking about “marketing”, plain and simple.

Hyperbole

Cliche

Little white lies

Pricing techniques

Etc

Where would we be without it? Do you completely believe every ad you see or read?

If you want completely honest marketing, try the following:

Buy this vacuum cleaner, it sucks ......................................for awhile.;)

Our insurance policy will support our agents’ families. You get what’s left over.:eek:

Redistribute wealth, hire an attorney.:D

Vote for me, why not?:cool:

Follow me on Twitter, what the hell for?:rolleyes:

And before Peter chimes in, the physician whose ad follows:

All my patients die ....................................sooner or later.:)

Oh yeah? When's the last time you saw anything other than a sports card described as having "elite centering"? :D

frankbmd 02-27-2018 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1752220)
Oh yeah? When's the last time you saw anything other than a sports card described as having "elite centering"? :D

Certainly not in D. C. :D

ALR-bishop 02-27-2018 10:34 AM

Just look at the poppage on that vacuum cleaner

vintagebaseballcardguy 02-27-2018 04:36 PM

Listings which say a card is "centered " trying to convince prospective buyers that the card is well centered when it clearly isn't. Technically, I guess all cards are centered, some better than others.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

darwinbulldog 02-27-2018 05:05 PM

Fighting a battle that's already lost here, but how about just "(OC)." If you need a qualifier to know the card's off-center, it's not really off-center. Just tell me what condition the actual cardboard is in, and show me a picture so I can see how the centering looks.

Throttlesteer 02-27-2018 05:17 PM

The ones that make me cringe:

(Ultra) High End - as if that makes me want to buy it more
Sharp or Crisp - for a card that's been trimmed and gets an "A"
Pack Fresh - probably more post-war, but still annoying
Investment Grade - Says who?
Freshly graded - who cares
Pop of 1 (when there are obviously more than one currently for sale)
I can't say it's authentic for sure, so selling as a reprint (in other words, you know it's a reprint but want to sucker someone that thinks there's a chance)

The worst of all, even though it's post-war

SICK PATCH!!!

seanofjapan 02-27-2018 07:12 PM

"No international shipping"

If you are a collector living overseas easily 75% of the stuff on Ebay (and on here BTW) is off limits for that reason. Its frustrating.

CobbSpikedMe 02-27-2018 07:19 PM

"Near Mint if not for the corner missing"

Peter_Spaeth 02-28-2018 06:19 AM

"L@@K"

1952boyntoncollector 02-28-2018 10:21 AM

hate it when see some wierd third party grader and seller says 'PSA?'

or when every psa card is 'due for bump' to a .5 grade higher or whatever if resubmitted or some words to that effect

Yoda 02-28-2018 10:41 AM

I just found a new one: bleed through variation. Hmm

leaflover 02-28-2018 11:31 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Don't forget the sales tax!

bobbyw8469 02-28-2018 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanofjapan (Post 1752453)
"No international shipping"

If you are a collector living overseas easily 75% of the stuff on Ebay (and on here BTW) is off limits for that reason. Its frustrating.

That's because a few bad apples ruined it for you. I bet every single Ebay seller has been burned Internationally at least once.

Tennis13 02-28-2018 12:43 PM

I saw "dagger corners" the other day. Wanted to vomit, but not sure why. That one just made my skin crawl.

Stampsfan 02-28-2018 01:00 PM

I finally read through this entire thread. Much more entertaining than I originally thought it was going to be.

Certainly, it's worthy of consideration. Overall Nr-Ex (meaning it's a Very Good thread).

ALR-bishop 02-28-2018 02:59 PM

One more, actually a "variation"...Whopper Poppage


https://forums.collectors.com/discus...-rookie#latest

JollyElm 02-28-2018 03:10 PM

How about when a seller lists a bunch of ungraded cards they're implying are in great shape and adds, "PSA??"

dabigyankeeman 02-28-2018 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyWonder089 (Post 1751205)
"Ebay 1/1"

Wow, how I hate running into a bunch of these when I am looking around Ebay. Damn lie, they are not 1/1, phony crap.

cardinalcollector 02-28-2018 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1752718)
One more, actually a "variation"...Whopper Poppage


https://forums.collectors.com/discus...-rookie#latest


And scroll down 3 posts for a new one:

"bumpage credits"

BleedinBlue 02-28-2018 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrysloate (Post 1751906)
And of course there is "looking to find a good home for these", as if there is such a thing as a bad home. Does anybody physically or mentally abuse his cards?

Many think the owner of the 1912 Highlanders Ticket Book is guilty of abuse.

BleedinBlue 02-28-2018 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred (Post 1751572)
Ok, what is "poppage"?

People who submitted on the October Group Sub have no idea what POPPAGE is either.

CW 02-28-2018 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1751290)
I have grown to detest the following descriptors:

extant and exemplar

Ditto and ditto.

"Dagger sharp corners"

Also agree with Leon about auctions with "PERFECT CENTERING" in the title and you can tell it's not perfect from the thumbnail preview.

Peter_Spaeth 02-28-2018 06:41 PM

wrong thread

seanofjapan 02-28-2018 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 1752655)
That's because a few bad apples ruined it for you. I bet every single Ebay seller has been burned Internationally at least once.

Yeah but I bet every single Ebay seller has also been burned by an American buyer at least once too (more likely multiple times by the amount of complaining I see on here).

This "no international shipping" thing is unique to baseball card dealers. I have a few other collections (stamps, coins, retro video games) and its rare to find American dealers in those items who don't ship internationally. Presumably they've all been burned as well but they don't over-react the way baseball card guys do. Its not unusual for a stamp dealer to have a "No shipping to Latvia" or something in their listings and you can easily deduce that they had a bad experience with a Latvian but took a more measured response than just "domestic sales only".

Those hobbies are a bit more international than baseball cards so those sellers probably have to rely on international sales more than baseball card guys do, but still it strikes me as self defeating. The few guys who are willing to ship to me get all my bids and get more money as a result. I've clicked on lots of cards that I intended to buy only to see that "does not ship to Japan" sign and move on. Lost sales for those guys.

glynparson 03-01-2018 04:55 AM

I won't ship internationally
 
No way do i ship internationally way more problems then domestically. Sorry it is an inconvenience for you but i can't afford to lose the money from all the over seas scams run on ebay. You can think they are few or equal to the USA all you want but from my experiences you are way off.

roarfrom34 03-01-2018 07:03 AM

when it comes to autographs
"hand signed"

Orioles1954 03-01-2018 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glynparson (Post 1752884)
No way do i ship internationally way more problems then domestically. Sorry it is an inconvenience for you but i can't afford to lose the money from all the over seas scams run on ebay. You can think they are few or equal to the USA all you want but from my experiences you are way off.

I also collect records and CDs. NEVER have had a problem shipping overseas. However, with sports cards, a couple of times it has been an absolute nightmare!

bobbyw8469 03-01-2018 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BleedinBlue (Post 1752777)
People who submitted on the October Group Sub have no idea what POPPAGE is either.

Ugggggg....don't remind me.

khkco4bls 03-01-2018 09:12 AM

I don't know if it's been said already because I wasn't going through all the pages "minty" has to be the worst word ever

bobbyw8469 03-01-2018 09:17 AM

My favorite is when they are describing cards such as 1948/1949 Bowmans as having "wonderful gloss".....when the cards never had gloss on them to begin with!!! I'm thinking,.."Do they even look at the cards they are selling?"

rats60 03-01-2018 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanofjapan (Post 1752807)
Yeah but I bet every single Ebay seller has also been burned by an American buyer at least once too (more likely multiple times by the amount of complaining I see on here).

This "no international shipping" thing is unique to baseball card dealers. I have a few other collections (stamps, coins, retro video games) and its rare to find American dealers in those items who don't ship internationally. Presumably they've all been burned as well but they don't over-react the way baseball card guys do. Its not unusual for a stamp dealer to have a "No shipping to Latvia" or something in their listings and you can easily deduce that they had a bad experience with a Latvian but took a more measured response than just "domestic sales only".

Those hobbies are a bit more international than baseball cards so those sellers probably have to rely on international sales more than baseball card guys do, but still it strikes me as self defeating. The few guys who are willing to ship to me get all my bids and get more money as a result. I've clicked on lots of cards that I intended to buy only to see that "does not ship to Japan" sign and move on. Lost sales for those guys.

I have been on EBay about 20 years and have never been burned by a US buyer. I have also done lots of trades within the US and have never been burned. I have had problems with over seas buyers. The last one resulted in me getting a negative because the card arrived "damaged." The card was sent insured, so the buyer could have filed a claim. I also offer returns on all my items. I guess the buyer thought I would let him keep the card and give him a big discount. People like this make me not want to sell out of the US, it is just not worth the hassle.

jerrys 03-01-2018 10:43 AM

Very rare!!!!!!!!!!!

Sold!!!!!!!!!!!!

Huysmans 03-01-2018 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 1752964)
I have been on EBay about 20 years and have never been burned by a US buyer. I have also done lots of trades within the US and have never been burned. I have had problems with over seas buyers. The last one resulted in me getting a negative because the card arrived "damaged." The card was sent insured, so the buyer could have filed a claim. I also offer returns on all my items. I guess the buyer thought I would let him keep the card and give him a big discount. People like this make me not want to sell out of the US, it is just not worth the hassle.

It's funny how different people have different experiences.... I've also been on Ebay since 1997, and the only people as a Canadian I've ever been burned by - both as a seller and as a buyer - are Americans.

Butch7999 03-01-2018 12:04 PM

Not a word or a phrase, but the pictures in on-line auctions/sales:

Instead of a proper scan of a card, the card photographed lying or leaning at some weird angle;
or instead of a scan of a card or a decent photo of some small memorabilia item, a photo of
the vendor's fat, hairy, unmanicured hand holding the thing.

darwinbulldog 03-01-2018 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch7999 (Post 1753004)
Not a word or a phrase, but the pictures in on-line auctions/sales:

Instead of a proper scan of a card, the card photographed lying or leaning at some weird angle;
or instead of a scan of a card or a decent photo of some small memorabilia item, a photo of
the vendor's fat, hairy, unmanicured hand holding the thing.

Seriously my hirsute and corpulent coreligionists, would it kill ya to get a manicure?

jfkheat 03-01-2018 02:37 PM

I don't like when the seller quotes SMR prices. We all know how accurate SMR is. Or when they quote PSA prices when trying to sell a SGC or BVG graded card.
James

seanofjapan 03-01-2018 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 1752964)
I have been on EBay about 20 years and have never been burned by a US buyer. I have also done lots of trades within the US and have never been burned. I have had problems with over seas buyers. The last one resulted in me getting a negative because the card arrived "damaged." The card was sent insured, so the buyer could have filed a claim. I also offer returns on all my items. I guess the buyer thought I would let him keep the card and give him a big discount. People like this make me not want to sell out of the US, it is just not worth the hassle.

Sorry to hear about that. Obviously I can't speak for the entirety of the 7 billion people living outside the US, and I sympathize, but I guess I kind of find it frustrating that when (I surmise) sellers have a problem with a scammer in one country like that they just ban the entire world instead of buyers from that one country.

So let me just make my pitch to all you ebay baseball card dealers in favor of perhaps taking a more selective approach to the problem.

Take Japan (where I live) and South Korea (a country I've been to for work several times). It is extremely unlikely that anyone will be scammed by your average Japanese or Korean on Ebay. They are extremely honest societies and while as with every society they do have scammers, they are almost exclusively associated with organized crime syndicates who concentrate solely on domestic scams.

Combined those countries have a population of close to 200 million, baseball is by far the most popular sport and baseball card collecting is a hobby in both countries.

Its a massive potential market but for some reason whenever a scammer in Uzbekistan ( or wherever, sorry Uzbekistan) takes a seller for a ride, they cut the cord on innocent Japanese and Korean buyers too (I'm not Japanese BTW, I just live here). That cuts off a huge potential market.

I've never sold baseball cards on ebay but I do have a lot of experience selling other stuff on forums and I've also been burned on a few transactions and there are a few known countries out there where this is a problem (mainly Eastern Europe) and it seems easy to avoid without cutting off everyone.

ValKehl 03-01-2018 10:19 PM

When a seller brags that his pre-War PSA-graded card is 1 of only 8 (or some other low number) in the PSA pop report, but DOESN'T mention that SGC has graded 30 (or a similar number) of the suckers.

Tom S. 03-01-2018 10:53 PM

Whenever the T206 Jack Dunn card is referred to (and pictured!) as a horizontal pose, I feel like doing a facepalm... :(

Peter_Spaeth 03-02-2018 08:16 AM

"Fresh to the hobby."

As though the guy in whose collection the cards previously resided wasn't part of the hobby?

Eric72 03-02-2018 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1753266)
"Fresh to the hobby."

As though the guy in whose collection the cards previously resided wasn't part of the hobby?

Perhaps that “fresh to the hobby” card was printed last week. :eek:

Snapolit1 03-02-2018 11:14 AM

"Great investment potential."
Really?
Why don't you keep it if it's such a great investment.

Sophiedog 03-02-2018 11:29 AM

Dead Centered

smellthegum 03-02-2018 12:10 PM

"Only X graded higher". Irrelevant to what you are actually trying to sell because yours is not graded higher.

1952boyntoncollector 03-02-2018 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snapolit1 (Post 1753323)
"Great investment potential."
Really?
Why don't you keep it if it's such a great investment.

Well, they dont want to wait 5 years cause have to pay for their medication/kids college etc now.....

whats worth is when they say its 'worth' X but willing to take more than 20% less......why not just sell it then at auction etc..

CurtisFlood 03-02-2018 03:19 PM

Pack fresh! Minty fresh! Attic find! Beauty! Blah, blah, blah!

stlcardsfan 03-02-2018 03:31 PM

The finest example we have handled....

if it's that nice get your grubby paws off it!!:)

marvymelvin 03-02-2018 04:45 PM

When sellers use the term "repo" or "repop" when selling anyyhing that is a reproduction.

It has not been "repossessed" and I dont even know what "repop" even means.

"Repro" would be the proper short form, but even that bugs me. Heck, even anything with the proper label "reprint" or "reproduction" makes me feel blah.

BillyCoxDodgers3B 03-02-2018 05:14 PM

Great call on "repop". Pardon? Repop? Too much repoppage these days.

chalupacollects 03-03-2018 06:49 AM

Comes from a smoke free, pet free home... who cares what kind of home something is from?

Peter_Spaeth 03-03-2018 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chalupacollects (Post 1753529)
Comes from a smoke free, pet free home... who cares what kind of home something is from?

In the 90s there was a dealer who was a heavy smoker. His packages had an overpowering tobacco odor. A friend of mine who also bought from him would say he had to air the cards out in his back yard for a week.:)

icollectDCsports 03-03-2018 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1753565)
In the 90s there was a dealer who was a heavy smoker. His packages had an overpowering tobacco odor. A friend of mine who also bought from him would say he had to air the cards out in his back yard for a week.:)

Yep. Some items, such as publications and game worn jerseys and the like, really retain the odor of cigarette smoke.

Bram99 03-03-2018 04:23 PM

Breathtaking
 
As in all of Battlefield's posts on eBay.

calvindog 03-05-2018 05:00 AM

"There will be no lower price ... funds are needed quickly due to family matter."

When the lowest need to go lower in order to sell their overpriced cards this is where they go: the attempt to guilt you into overpaying.

Snapolit1 03-05-2018 04:19 PM

Criminey. . . . just saw "orb" in a new auction. Babe Ruth is about to "launch" an orb. Oh for godssake, give us a break and just say hit a ball. Please. I'm begging.

chalupacollects 03-05-2018 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1753565)
In the 90s there was a dealer who was a heavy smoker. His packages had an overpowering tobacco odor. A friend of mine who also bought from him would say he had to air the cards out in his back yard for a week.:)

Never had that issue, makes sense though...

mechanicalman 03-05-2018 06:42 PM

Cringey
 
I didn’t know this was a word until today, but “cringey” is sitting with me like 3-day old gas station sushi.


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