|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Leon- I can spot them a block away. They always travel in twos or threes, and always carry those pamphlets. And when you walk past them they try to get you to get with the program. Hey, it doesn't bother me, but I've always declined.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Crap! I've got BOTH Leon and David A. in agreement with me! Maybe I should rethink this?<br><br><br>By the way, anyone with a freee 16 minutes to kill should go to:<br><br><a href="http://www.americanrhetoric.com/top100speechesall.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanrhetoric.com/top100speechesall.html</a><br><br>and listen to MLK's speech from 45 years ago. It's like he was talking about yesterday. Very moving and supportive of our great country. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br>David A-<br><br>-Aside from my spelling and grammatical errors it shows why I'm uneducated-. <br><br> Terrific comeback. I'm a civil engineer by profession...I deal with mathmatics, not thesis statements. I believe Dorskind already came down on you once and I'd agree, I don't need some goofball literture professor worrying about my spelling...sounds a little anal retentive especially when you know what the words were supposed to be.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br><br><br>And Ted-<br><br><br><br>No, i'm not "rich". I don't make anywhere close to 250k. Point being, I'm not asking for handouts from the government. I don't need them to pay for my mortgage or my gas..ha. It starts when your a freaking kid. Raise the kids the right way to take some responsibility on themselves and to not have this "where is mine?" mentality.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Richard Dwyer wrote:<br>"That may be true, but I don't care about immoral individuals."<br><br>What a loving, Christian comment. Your emulation of Jesus' ideals and values is truly inspiring. He must have said something along those lines a hundred times in the Bible. <br>Seriously, there are many that would consider your comments what is immoral here.<br> <br><br><br>"I believe in the Bible, and it clearly states that Gay Marriage is wrong."<br><br>Good for you. The problem is that the Bible is not the standard for law in this country. Nobody here is compelled to believe in the Bible. We have freedom of religion in the United States. If your religious beliefs make you opposed to gay marriage, don't support it in your church. Go to a church that does not marry gays. What makes your private religious beliefs those that the whole country should adopt? Many good Americans consider them hateful and despicable.<br><br>A little friendly P.R. advice for the extreme Christian right <img src="/images/happy.gif" alt="happy.gif"> : Why not focus on Jesus' message of loving your neighbor rather than spreading a doctrine of hate that only drives people away. I bet your recruiting would be a lot more successful and your message would be closer to Jesus'.<br><br>JimB
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>One of the quotes from higher up in this thread -<br>"I hope Texas separates itself from the US". <br><br>YAY!!!<br><br>Where do I sign up for this one,,, Alaska has a secessionist party (ask Mr Palin), now let us get one for Texas also.<br><br>=<br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br><br>Unknown author <br><br>--<br><br>We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br><br>No retreat baby, no surrender.<br><br>The Boss
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>But so much great American music comes from Texas!<br>JimB
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p><<goofball literture professor>><br><br><br><br>Actually, Dave, I'm a goofball physics professor. Theoretical physics, in fact.<br><br><br><br>So I would not hesitate to put both my mathematical skills and my knowledge of various branches of mathematics up against yours.<br><br><br><br>But I still know how to read and write.<br><br><br><br>And I can spell "literature."
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>"throughout history.......the rublican (sic)...... vote has always relied on the south"<br><br><br><br>Huh?!?!<br><br><br><br> Democrats owned the "Solid South" for the better part of a hundred years following the Civil War. Republican (the "party of Lincoln" - who "freed the slaves" - remember?) support for black rights during Reconstruction alienated the segregated South and led to Democratic domination for the last quarter of the 19th century and more than the first half of the 20th century.<br><br><br><br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>And, Dave, it wasn't just your spelling and grammar I was commenting upon. There is also your lack of knowledge about things that happened before you were born. <br><br>Here's your sage pronouncement (complete with your numerous technical errors):<br><br>"as throughout history, the electoral votes have always went the way of the Democrats in the north and liberal California west and the Rublican convservative vote has always relied on the south"<br><br>Now, here's a bit of <i>actual</i> historical fact, regarding "the Solid South":<br><br><br>"Solid South refers to the electoral support of the Southern United States for Democratic Party candidates for nearly a century from 1877, the end of the Reconstruction, to 1964."
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>A quick Google search yields..............<br><br><a href="http://texassecession.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://texassecession.com</a>/<br><br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br><br>REPUBLICAN.<br><br>Good lord at all the spelling guys. I was talking about recent history Bob, not the 1860's or 1910's.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br><br>David-<br><br>Again, I was talking about recent history. Since the Jimmy Carter debacle no other Democrat has received the electoral votes from the majority south. I'm trying to understand how going back a hundred years has anything to do with recent voting trends when women or blacks weren't even allowed to vote.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Daryle</b><p>What are we voting on?
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>We're voting for more Cowbell <br><br><img src="http://www.brandon-hall.com/janetclarey/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/cowbell.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>Views from another teacher...<br><br>I live in California and have taught here for 12 years.<br><br>I am disgusted that bigotry and intolerance survive today. My district is very conservative and everyday I had to drive through a neighborhood plastered with Yes on 8 placards and protests. This is just plain wrong.<br><br>First...the 3rd grade curriculum talked about teaches family life and how to be a productive family member. It neither supports gay marriage or ignores it. In fact, the way it was written was to support any family unit including divorced, remarried, deaths of parents, extended families, etc. Yes, gay marriage can be included but it is not taught in any form. And just for the record, the state curriculum would not change because of Prop. 8. The fact remains that gay people can still live together as a family and adopt children as their own in California. If you want to read the actual California state Health Framework it is here.<br><br><a href="http://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/cr/cf/documents/healthfw.pdf" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/cr/cf/documents/healthfw.pdf</a><br><br>To the people who say gay marriage is wrong as stated in the bible do not read the bible very closely. The passage that is most talked about in Leviticus was written during a time when the Jewish nation was just starting to recover after decades of strife. The laws in Leviticus were there to encourage habits that would make the Israelite nation strong...eating safe meats (birds--yes the eagle according to the bible is an abomination, certain shellfish, certain stock animals), living clean (women were not to touch anything while on their period and if they did it was to be burned), and propogating the nation (this is the real reason behind the abolishment of gay lifestyle...it was a waste of semen that was the problem...nothing is said about lesbianism btw.)...people who use the bible to justify beliefs are fine by me but you must understand that the bible, while it has its uses, is an imperfect creation from a time long ago. <br><br>Another example. I have heard many people say they believe that the rapture and end of days are coming. This concept was not around until about 400 years ago. The words rapture and end of days do not exist in biblical teachings until fairly recently.<br><br>I have also seen signs in the front yards of the school neighborhood stating Obama is a socialist. Fine by me. So was Jesus. The bible quotes Jesus telling people to take what little you have and make sure that everyone is taken care of equally. Sounds like socialism to me. (Acts: 4 32-35)<br><br>I worry about people who pick and choose from the bible as some have stated here this week. Do not forget that divorce is forbidden in the bible and yet many of the pro-8 people I see at school are divorced. That is adultery in the bible and a sin. <br><br>Do not push your religion on me and I will not push back. I feel that God would love everyone whether sinner or saint.<br><br>What worries me most about Prop. 8 is that it is a very slippery slope. If you make the argument that gay marriage is a moral issue then you can make the argument that Muslims, Catholics, Mormons, Jews, etc. cannot marry as it is a sin and the bible forbids a marriage that does not glorify (a Christian) god. A simple phrase in the state constitution could take those away too...what about the right to procreate? Again...the biblical argument can be made that Mormons, etc. should not be allowed to have children because they are not following the true glory of the Christian God. Sound ridiculous or scary?<br><br>I did not mean to rant but I am very sad everytime I hear someone trying to force their view of the world on someone else. Judge not lest ye be judged.<br><br>Joshua<br><br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>LenK</b><p> well, that may have been the only lesbian wedding Elaine Benes will be able to attend.....her best-man days may be over
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Thank God for Virginia and Florida. The McCain red state list was starting to look like a map of the Confederate States of America. Not all white Southerners are Bubbas and right wingers. <br>As I drove to the poll yesterday I saw a group of young girls with signs that said "Obama kills babies" and "Obama is a terrorist." A little closer to the polls were the signs that the older people held which said McCain and Palin were "true" Americans and belittled Obama and Biden. After I voted I spotted an elderly Black man on one street corner with a sign that simply said "The whole world is watching" and a young Hispanic youth with a sign which said "Yes We Can." <br>I was proud to cast my vote and after watching the very gracious concession speech of John McCain (too bad so many of his supporters didn't have this man's grace and class) and the inspiring speech of Obama, I thought two things: I thank God we have a President who might be able to help heal wounds and make us a united states instead of a fractured and fragmented one filled with fear and hatred and that we should all say a prayer for Obama and his family that the whack jobs and nut cases will be too busy with their own sad lives to bother to even think of harming our President and his family. <br>Seeing the tears in the eyes of African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, Asians and so many Whites during the victory speech gave me a lump in my throat and I came away thinking maybe, just maybe, things will get better and we will all be a little kinder, more understanding and a better people...
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Amen Bob. I know many people who are elated today. This is the best news we've gotten in a long time.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>Thanks, Joshua.<br><br>(And you, too, Bob.)
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Josh, <br><br>One minor nit-pick...<br><br>Both Mormons and Catholics are Christians, whether the Christians want us or not.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>David Atkatz</b><p>But we Jews aren't!
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>OK, Dave, recent history it is. However, your original reference was to "throughout history" which, you'd have to agree, is different from "recent history". <br><br>Also, I believe it was Lyndon Johnson and his slew of civil rights legislation that turned the south, not Carter. I believe, for example, that Nixon swept the south in '72, though because of Watergate and the fact that Carter was himself a southerner, he did win the south in '76.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>If I'm white and live in the South and vote for McCain, then I must be a Bubba or a right-winger, or both. Is that Inductive or Deductive Reasoning? <img src="/images/happy.gif" alt="happy.gif">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>TBob,<br><br><br><br>And it's looking like North Carolina, too. By about 12,000 votes.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>Bob, Well stated...I also got teary eyed during obama's speech...it was truly a defining moment for our future as Americans.<br><br>pete ullman
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>sagard</b><p>This election gives the Republicans a great opportunity. They can preach personal responsibility and really start to mean it. They can return to the fiscal conservative roots and reclaim house and senate seats in two years. After that they can run a fiscal conservative and socially moderate candidate and they will retake the White House.<br><br>Lower taxes and small government is the argument that will win in this country. Unfortunately the five Republican admins since 1980 have not practiced this ideal. All have run exploding deficits that will someday be paid for by my kids and grandkids via cash or quality of life.<br><br>McCain's biggest problem was he didn't know when he was right on an issue.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>It sure isn't tolerant...................<br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>It's funny how in this country it isn't cool to attack or belittle someone for anything but their Religion. Those that say things (like above) about Christians because they do not believe that particular religion, shame on you! There are many good Christians out there and saying things (as stated above) is highly offensive to them. Contrary to some opinions Christians are NOT gun toting, uneducated, toothless Southerners. I find it interesting that some religions are fair-game when it comes to attacks and others aren't. Try saying bad things about the Jewish faith (which also believes in the Bible, last I checked), and see how far you get.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>samuel</b><p>that was the best post I've seen so far on this message board. thank you
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>The issue is that a lot of people (non-Christians) see Christianity as a subtitute for intellect. And for that matter a lot of Christians give them reason to. See: Bill Maher.<br><br>Edited for southern spellin' of substitute!
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>right Jeff or someone will bust your a$$................<br><br>instead of weighing the merit of your argument..........<br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I won't Tom. I'm a reformed man.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p><img src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/_fragileXcliche_/cowbell-more.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>You can corect me anytime! I need it!
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>Barry..........I know you're tolerant............<br><br>I love the people who preach tolerance.......as long as everyone is tolerant of THEIR views, they are tolerant........in concept, it is a good thing though. Just humorous...........<br><br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>"Correct" <img src="/images/happy.gif" alt="happy.gif">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>thanks for noticing. Anybody around here collect cards?
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>I do I do!<br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Jeff, I understand you point, and agree to an extent. There are definitely people in any group that tend to give them a bad name, especially in the name of religion. I am usually the last to get involved with these types of threads but I just felt like the thread was getting a little extreme on the Christianity bashing for a minute there. To each their own, regardless of how wierd one might find it.<br>-Rhett
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>Clarity....<br><br>Firstly, many of my Christian friends and churches do not believe that Mormons, Witnessess, Catholics and Lutherans (among others) are true Christians. They actually call them "perversions of faith." These are fundamentalist Christian views. Speaking of which...I know many conservative right wing gay Christian people also who completely believe in their faith with the same conviction as anyone else. <br><br>Speaking of which, would people be upset if gay people had taken to heart the notion that being gay is a choice (I believe it is not) and applied under the federal guidelines for a Church of Gay which gives them equal protection under the law? <br><br>Also...Jews do not believe in the bible. We only follow the Old Testament (Torah portion).<br><br>Second...I am not a Christian hater. I actually know quite a few church going, right winging, god loving Christians who voted no on Prop. 8. They are my friends and I love them to death. They also do not preach to me constantly or force their views on me. We talk, we argue, but we do it with respect, dignity and a sense of where each of us is coming from and sometimes I change my mind and sometimes they change theirs. <br><br>Third...Being Jewish, I am hardest on my Jewish friends...I give them more grief about their beliefs and practices than I do anyone else (well, except for collectors of Donruss---those people are just frickin' crazy!!).<br><br>Fourth...I am not an Anti-Dentite (I just have an appointment for the dentist today and am nervous).<br><br>Joshua
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>YES on Prop 8? I mean, I'm sure there are good people who voted that way--right? People who arrived at that point of view not completely from hatred? Just that marriage is between a man and a woman? Or is hatred the only point of view someone could have used to vote YES........
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>On a personal note, as a practicing and believing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) I have always relished in a strange way that it seems that both the Left and Right in this country reject us. It has always kept me on my toes and has helped me establish a positive dialogue with friends (none of which are LDS). The way I see it, if you are going to label yourself anything, have a good personal reason for doing so. For instance, with my Obama friends (who I voted for by the way) I state the tenants of our faith and the virtues of Christianity. Not the brand that the "Christian Coalition" espouses, but of it as an intellectual and liberating movement. To my conservative friends, I state adamently that we need to sometimes think outside of the box. Not for the sake of appeasal, but because we are genuinely interested in the spiritual and social welfare of people. It could be argued that anti-Mormon bigotry helped contribute to the demise of the Republican party. To which I reply, godspeed and hopefully you'll be more inclusive in the future. By the way, voting was wonderful!<br><br><br><br>James (the average every day Mormon who goes to church with Harvard scientists who believe).
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>I think they may have brought in a bunch of southern folk and rigged it. Except, no one from VA or FLA.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br>Well, best case Obama pulls it together and is the next FDR. Worst case he's another George Bush asleep behind the wheel and we'll find another pres. four years from now. I don't think he can literally run us in the ground as a country no matter how hard he tries. <img src="/images/happy.gif" alt="happy.gif">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Kenneth A. Cohen</b><p>James,<br><br>For the record, I have no problem with the Mormon faith (nor any other for that matter). It's just the no booze thing I couldn't deal with. (:<br><br>Ken
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>I am friends with people who voted Yes but it has put a strain on our friendship. This to me seems a very hurtful thing and to say that it is simply what you believe is fine by me. I get it but do not underestimate what you are saying when you make that argument. This argument can cut both ways. Christians once believed that the sons of Ham (blacks and inferior) where okay to be slaves, they believed that women should be seen and not heard and have no place in the church, the infirm, mentally challenged, or physically disabled (either from birth or injury) should not be allowed to worship and should be shunned because they are not made in God's wonderful image. All these were once beliefs that good Christians held but are now horrifically looked upon. It is difficult for me to comprehend how a loving person otherwise could have such contempt for another being. <br><br><br><br>If someone can give me a cogent argument why two people in love should not be given the opportunity to marry that does not involve "because the bible tells me so" then I will listen. I still will not be happy but I will listen.<br><br><br><br>Joshua <br><br>PS (edit added) I don't want to slam James but the Mormon Church was the biggest fund raiser for Prop 8. Again, I have many Mormon friends as well who voted for and against and some who will not discuss it with me...this is their choice. Overall I have found Mormons to be loving, honest, intelligent people that I can relate to on any level.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>Joshua,<br><br>If you have time to e-mail me on the issue, I would be happy to reply. I have two little rugrats, but will find time to reply even if it might take a bit. <br><br>James
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>"Contrary to some opinions Christians are NOT gun toting, uneducated, toothless Southerners."<br><br>You mean some have teeth? <img src="/images/happy.gif" alt="happy.gif"> Sorry. Just kidding. I couldn't resist. <img src="/images/happy.gif" alt="happy.gif"><br><br>I love my many Christian friends and family members including Catholics, Mormons, evangelicals, and mainline Protestants. It is the hatred and intolerance sometimes spread (including on this board) in the name of Christianity that I find troublesome. I won't be silent in the face of the bigotry that harms both individuals and our nation as a whole.<br>JimB
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>Well said and agreed.<br><br>Jeff<br>More teeth than guns
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p><<Firstly, many of my Christian friends and churches do not believe that Mormons, Witnessess, Catholics and Lutherans (among others) are true Christians.>><br><br>Josh, <br><br>And those people would be 100% wrong. They don't get to define who is and isn't Christian. It's not that narrow a path.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Rhett, <br><br>< ...just felt like the thread was getting a little extreme on the Christianity bashing for a minute there. >><br><br><br>I just re-read about half this thread and I didn't really see any Christian bashing. I did see some ribbing of Richard D. and his extreme views, but I certainly didn't think that was "Christian bashing." <br><br>Did I miss it or did someone edit something out while I was at lunch?
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Joshua, I hope all goes well at the dentist today.<br><br>Us Dentites aren't ALL bad!<br><br>-Rhett
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>Penthouse in the waiting room?<br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Tom,<br><br>I'm heading out to see Seinfeld in concert in a few hours. Should be interesting.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>twice here in the 'Ville.............Great the first time, okay the second. He used about 80% same material the second time as the first but still funny. We were in 4th row the first time and LAST row the second. Forgot to take my Tweety Pez the first time though...............you'll have fun.......<br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>Jim,<br>I totally agree with you...I try not to lump all Christian based faiths together as that is an important defining part of many people's lives...that being said, they do define it anyway (at least the fundamentalist side in MY experience). How is it they can define what is and what is not a Christian denomination but define who can practice a simple religious marriage ceremony? You don't see the hypocrisy in that?<br><br>I know many Christian conservatives who believe that Jehovah's Witnessess are not Christian but have strayed from the true path. Conversly I know many Jews who believe Jews for Jesus are really not Jews but Christians. Heck, I grew up in an Orthodox neighborhood where they thought I was not a "real" Jew because I did not practice like they did. It is an odd thing how we define ourselves and those around us. It often makes my head hurt.<br><br>Joshua<br><br>PS Rhett, I actually love my dentist but I am afraid I slipped a filling and it is going to cost me money (crappy school insurance) as opposed to actual physical pain.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>What some here, and across the nation, are missing is that we are all people. The fact that we need to attack one another for a belief or a lack thereof is counterproductive. Why cant we all exist believing what works for us without feeling we need to attack or impose our beliefs on others? Our country has become polarized and anything but united and so much effort is placed on hating and fighting.<br><br>As a species we still seem unable to eliminate the bias as seeing people that are different than ourselves as evil or some kind of threat. I find that sad as a person who practices tolerance and is willing to look far beyond the surface. <br><br>I find it interesting in posts where some have qualified the religions of their friends or felt they had to. I understand why this was done but from my point of view I would simply state that I love my friends, who are people first. It is who they are that draws me to them not what religion they believe in or how devout they are. I care not what their political beliefs are or if they are gay or straight. Seems so narrow minded to view people in a way where we have to label them with these standards if in doing so it makes us more divisive. <br><br>Yesterday was a tremendous day for the US and the first time in 6 years I have felt there is actually hope for us a nation. I knew either candidate would have been a marked improvement over the administration that has ruled since 2000. Both men gave very moving speeches and if you are at all human you had to be touched by what was said. McCain acted with the class, selflessness and humbleness he has demonstrated throughout his career. Some of you may not like Obama but he is a natural leader and has a burdensome job ahead of him. He is compelling and intelligent and offers us a better future. I appreciate his willingness to serve the country and welcome his efforts. He will be the people's president and I suspect we will all be better off during his term.<br><br>Greg
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p><p>Even though I didn't vote for Obama, I am optomistic. I woke up this morning and the sky did NOT FALL. Go figure! </p><p>I will certainly pray for Obama, after all even though I didn't vote for him, he is my president too!</p><br><br>martyOgelvie
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>GeorgeHC</b><p><img src="http://www.thepeoplescube.com/images/Obama_Poster_Cowbell.gif" alt="[linked image]">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>self-interested note. I'm really glad the election is over because hopefully my 8 year son will now stop running around the house saying, "I'm Jacob Drum and I approved this message." <img src="/images/happy.gif" alt="happy.gif">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Jeff, <br><br>Too funny about your son!<br><br>My kids are 19 and 15. My daughter (the 15 year old) pointed out to me today, that January 20th will be the first time in either of their lives that the President wasn't named Bush or Clinton. And to think we could have had Hillary!
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p>I was doing the math with my son last night. He's 8 and Bush has been in Office nearly his entire life. I told him that he might be 16 before a new President comes in office.. He never understood why they couldn't keep on running after 2 terms... "why not" he said, if they are good at it then shouldn't we let them stay..
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>Jim,<br>My daughter is 18 so this is the first Presidential election she's been able to vote in. My son is 8 so this is the first one he remembers. It has made for some very entertaining family discussions. Oh the optimism of youth!
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>I guess this could be appropriate... the Obama rookie...<br><br><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1225932094.JPG" alt="[linked image]">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>Whoevers handi-work that is, excellent job! But Obama is not near that rough around the edges!<br>Neat!
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Jeff, <br><br>Well then this will be your kids first time without a President named Bush or Clinton, too. Check and see if your daughter realizes that.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>I'll ask her tonight when she calls home for money! <img src="/images/happy.gif" alt="happy.gif">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Fred, <br><br>Yours looks older than mine. Are you sure yours isn't rebacked? <br><br><br><img src="http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/jvb6034/Obamarookie.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>THANK YOU GEORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><br>It's about dang time someone gave me more cowbell!
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>For the first time in 50 years there isn't a Bush or Dole in elective office according to one commentator last night. <br>Jeff- A lot of really nice, intelligent, cultured and very personable Southerners voted for McCain; however, most of the more vocal haters went with McCain and Bible Spice also. Even McCain himself said he was sickened by the angry and venemous sentiments of some of his supporters, many whipped in to a frenzy by Governor Bullwinkle. One poll said that 20% of the McCain supporters in the South identified Obama's faith as "Muslim" and 16% stated he was a "terrorist." That's scary. Also scary is the fact that one of the two alleged conspirators to assasinate Obama and several African-Americans, was born and raised in West Helena, AR, my State. There are a lot of whackos and nut jobs out there who are haters and I pray that they keep their assault weapons in their basements and let Obama proceed with the huge task ahead. There is a New South which seems to never get mentioned and I get as bent out of shape about the stereotypes of Southerners as anyone down here, but when I saw some of the anti-Obama people spewing their hatred I couldn't help believe that some of them were the sons and daughters and grandsons and grandaughters of those people in the black and white films we have all seen deluging Blacks with fire hoses, beating them up (and worse) in the name of God, Christianity and Right. The South has traveled a distance but we are not yet where we need to be, (nor is the East, North or West for that matter).
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>DeanH3</b><p>OK, I don't like to get into political discussions but I must reply. Why is it if you vote yes on 8 then you are a hater? I don't get that. I voted yes on 8. I don't have anything against gay people. They can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home. They already have the same rights as everybody else. I just don't want it called a "Marriage". That's just my opinion and belief. I was able to voice my opinion by voting. And the majority agreed. If the majority would have voted No, then I would live with it. Plus California already voted on this before, which it passed, and a court decided to overturn it. If that is the case, why vote? We voted again and guess what? It passed again. Guess what? It's going to go to court again. Why vote on this stuff if it's only going to keep going to court until a particular side gets their way. <br>Another flabergasting thing to me. California voted no to parental notification for an abortion on a minor. How in the world can somebody believe it's ok for a parent not to be notifed if there daughter goes to get an abortion. Teachers can't give a student a cough drop without a parental note yet that same kid can be sent off to get an abortion without the parent knowing. Yet California passes the proposition for better treatment of farm animals. I'm not against treating animals better but the chickens get treated better than kids do in California. When did we hop on board the crazy train around here.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Steven Finley</b><p>Baseball. Cards. Please.
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/miscellanybaseball/Obama.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <br><br><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/miscellanybaseball/Biden.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/miscellanybaseball/McCain.jpg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/miscellanybaseball/Palin.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>I understand where you are coming from. But your original post did not contain your explanation, just the Geographical Profiling. And you should always be wary of who the news puts on as the "face" of anything. Do you think the woman who was quoted as saying that now she didn't have to worry about putting gas in her car or paying her mortgage reflected the views of the average Obama supporter? Of course not.<br><br>BTW: The other co-conspirator was from Paris, TN where my Father-in-Law was born and raised and about 30 miles from where I went to college.<br><br><br><br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Dean,<br><br>I have to disagree with your statement that gays already have all the rights anyways. They might in areas of housing and employment, especailly in California, but they most certainly do not have inherent spousal rights at all. <br><br>As to why these things keep going back to court in California after people have voted on it, it's because a court will strike down an unconstitutional law regardless of whether it was propery enacted by a legislature or citizen vote. <br><br>Think about the Bill of Rights at the federal level, which exists for exactly the kinds of reasons you are frustrated about - people vote something in but courts shoot it down. The Founding Fathers knew that some rights are so important that they had to be put beyond the reach of politicians, beyond the reach of the majority, beyond the reach of a mob mentality and beyond the reach of people that would vote them away for others. So the rights in the BoR can only be revised by Constitutional amendment - a much much tougher thing to do that has to much more clearly reflect the very stable and unified fabric of social structure and not just the current mood of 50% + 1. <br><br>Some of the states are now struggling with whether gay marriages fall into this category of very basic rights that need this level of protection. I don't know if Prop 8 was an amendment to the Cali constitution or not, but if it wasn't it will most def end up at least back in a Cali court. <br><br>(And the whole damn thing would be settled overnight if the proponents would stop using the term "marriage" and use "civil unions" if all that's truly wanted are the legal benefits. As long as they insist on using a term that has profound religious meaning in this country - outside of the legal meaning - it will be a tough haul.)<br><br>J<br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>I don't have anything against straight people. Some of my best friends are straights. They can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home. I just don't want it called a "Marriage". From now on, I'm going to refer to straight marriage as "civil union." You can still have all the legal rights, though. <br><br>The term "Marriage" is a legal one that happens to also have profound religious meaning to many. It is not simply a religious term. There is absolutely no non-religious reason for gay marriage to be any different from straight marriage. None. Marriage is marriage. Calling it "civil union" still says, very loudly, that one couples' "civil union" is less than another couples' "Marriage." <br><br>I agree that it will be a long haul for gay marriage to be completely equal to any other marriage, but it was also a long haul to go from separate drinking fountains to President Obama. Long haul or not, justice and equality are possible in this country. Even if you're gay.<br><br>Today, many straight couples will go down to their local courthouse to get married by a justice of the peace. Even if they are not religious, they are still getting married. They are not getting "civil-unioned." Are they any less married than someone who gets married in a church by a priest or minister? Shouldn't their marriage be viewed as less than your full-blown religious matrimony?<br><br>Unless you are a closet homosexual who is in a straight marriage in order to hide the truth from yourself and those around you, what possible reason could you have to care about who someone else marries? How could it possibly lessen the legitimacy of your marriage?<br><br>Didn't Arkansas just make it illegal for gay couples to adopt? Yes, gay people have it so good in this country. All the rights straight people have, plus no discrimination against them. Also, they never have to worry about being pistol-whipped and left for dead tied to a fencepost, or any other harm coming to them simply because of who they are. <br><br>It really sounds great to be gay in 2008 America. It's a wonder more Americans aren't making the "choice" to be gay. <br><br>-Ryan<br><br>
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>J.McMurry</b><p>I knew this post was in trouble with the first comment on how "civil" it was.<br> It took just 32 posts before it took a nose dive.<br><br>I'm relatively new to this board compared to most of you,but I've never read a post that ran the gamut of causing me to feel elated,hopeful,angry,sad and insulted,so congrats on that feat. This thread is the perfect example of why the country is struggling right now,and that is that there are too many factions that are all demanding something different and we all know that you cant please everybody. The country today is run by Professional Politicians, think about that word,PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS, They only serve themselves and those that can do something for them. B.O. may be different,but I have my doubts since he appears to be stocking his cabinent with Clinton retreads,but I pray that he succeeds for all our sakes.<br><br> I have a little side hobby in which I am always keeping an ear out for profound quotes, so I'll leave you with two.<br><br>"I know theres racism in the world,but if there is a goal that I really want to achieve, there aint no man in this world gonna keep me from it."<br><br> Charles Barkley<br><br>"The "South" starts at the Canadian border."<br> Spike Lee
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>GeorgeHC</b><p><img src="http://www.pallian.com/pallian/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/president_obama_sm.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
|
Vote!!!
Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p><p>I know its just symantics but, </p><p>Gay men and straight men in California have equal RIGHTS! </p><p>Both have the RIGHT to marry a women.</p><p>Neither can legally marry a man. </p><p>EQUAL RIGHTS! </p><p>I know its just symantics but worth mentionnig.</p><br><br>mco
|
| All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:55 PM. |