If she gets booted off, what's stopping her from creating a new account and starting over?

Those photoshops are unmistakable

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These classic vintage cards will still sell for big money if she was honest. I really hope she gets caught. I feel really bad for the people buying these raw cards for $$$$. But if you are dropping that much money on a card, I would advise one to make sure it was authenticated by either PSA, SGC, or Beckett. Maybe we should all protest outside of her work/home/gated community in Alabama. I'm due for a vacation.



--Ben Jordan

And if I wasn't made aware of this forum by Orly57, I can't say that I wouldn't have bought from Battlefield. Nothing gets past our net54 community members.

Here is some feedback from my contact at ebay...

From: leon luckey [mailto:leonl@flash.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:42 AM
To: ebay.com>
Subject: RE: Action Required to Activate Membership for Net54baseball.com Forums

Hi D
I guess I am still having a hard time understanding why ebay has a problem kicking off someone committing fraud right in front of your face. Even if they sell thousands of good items they are still committing fraud. Do me a favor, look at a recent post in that thread and tell me what you think. It is post #236. They won the 3k Ruth card last month, cracked it out of the case saying it was altered and sold it as unaltered. How can that be difficult to see? Ray Charles could see it...Someone needs to tell them to quit. Isn’t that you?


Hello,

Just letting you know this is a lower priority project so looking at this in between other asks. The problem that I am seeing is losses generally aren’t being calculated by eBay due to the returns and fact buyers are not filing SNAD claims. If more people did that even if they planned to return it (especially for the high dollar items) it will get on more radars meaning the seller would be reviewed for potential not as described concerns. What I am now doing is scoping this to get a currently unquantified (and largely unquantifiable) view of the matter. A post like #236 is definitely concerning but I can see how the analytic backend does not see it looking for threshold exceptions to generate the work fraud teammates action.

Just so we are clear as actions will happen in some regard, telling you right now you as an external user will not know the extent unless the seller comes onto the board to discuss it. Longer term, I am working with management to kick around the idea of enhanced member reporting for niche products (sports cards, comic books, etc). That means being flagged as a trusted reporter (experts in an industry that can speak to clear potential violations within said industry) with a better consistency of concerns being addressed for instances like #236 that machines can’t effectively notice. It will help for instances like this but will require buy in from other teams so can’t make any promises.

I see a seller which we agree is a problem, but I also see the larger concern that I’m trying to solve for using this as a potential business case if the losses can be appropriately measured.

D

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Battlefield0516
 

Sounds like a political answer to me!! LOL!

The key here seems to be the flood of legitimate items, which is enough to overcome the "threshold exceptions" level that ebay's built-in algorithm looks for.

Even if every single person who was defrauded made a SNAD complaint, it probably still wouldn't be enough to reach the necessary threshold level to get them reviewed and booted.

Well played, battlefield. Well played.

This is obviously someone who understands (eBay's) computer models and metrics around the threshold and ratios of good sales to bad. This is either done with inside info, or lots of trial and error.

Even if the metrics can be derived through trial and error, eBay can change them at any time. Yes she is always on top of it, it appears. Does she have insider help? This is a fairly lucrative game she has going.

Just sayin'...

Ok, we might be getting somewhere guys. Yes, this seller might know thresholds but they are doing the wrong thing. I think some interest has been peaked. Here is an email I just now received from my contact. For the record I have offered to be of any help I can...I should add it should be kept in mind this program being mentioned below is not a done deal but is being worked on. We can only try as much as we can....:)

Hi Leon,

Just to let you know movement has happened with the seller and if you can watch with that thread or otherwise, definitely let me know if any other listings come up so we can remove them before the items end.

For the second longer term piece, would you or do you know someone that you would personally trust on the net54 forum that we can setup as an expert reporter? Long story short, bit of vetting to ensure they are “experts in the industry” but referrals are given priority to a team specializing with misleading auctions so have to be 100% accurate referrals every time. The qualifications to begin is to have an active eBay account, not a seller in the categories you are reporting for, and no past policy violations. This will solve the pain points that your board has been seeing with this seller in the past and others that have likely come and gone.

If you are interested or know someone who would be let me know and I can forward there information to one of the policy managers for collectibles and we can see if it would be feasible to setup.

problem is the "Not a seller in the categories you are reporting for" clause.

EDIT: Still awesome that something may actually come of this!

Great job, Leon. It sounds promising.

Thanks for spearheading this! :)

Way to go Leon!!!

I don't sell in this category on ebay so think it might work for me, anyway....we will see. My ebay contact is checking into it. I will keep folks updated.

And it's back again. Sold on the 22nd, relisted on the 28th. Unbelievable.

Omgggggg when will battlefield be shutdown? Someone please finish them!!!!

Well, we shall see how this goes. I sent my contact a note just now with the top 4 of their cards saying they have been sold and returned and sold again so many times I can't even count them all. That seller deserves a kick in the behind....
LL

I am 100% sure they paid less than half in graded form what the card is selling for raw. They stupidly think that someone wants to spend $3,000-$4,000 on the card and wish to keep it raw. That is the only way the scam works on that card. Unfortunately for them, someone spending that much money IS NOT wanting to keep it raw. Their greed cost them on that particular item.

wow...
 

Pretty crazy stuff...

They're certainly not the only seller that participates in such behavior. I recently sold a really nice looking HOF rookie, that PSA wouldn't grade (N4 - Minimum Size.) I know grading is subjective, and heck, the card could've graded if I sent it in again - but frustrated with it all, I listed it on eBay, with full disclosure. I even included a scan of PSA's "MINSIZE" label. It sold for under $70. The buyer currently has it listed for sale as "Pack Fresh" and it has a $200 bid.

Money trumps everything and some people will continue to participate in such activities as long as they can get away with it.



Todd M@ncuso

This is what they send with their packages to help minimize the number of claims against them. It also shows how to directly contact them outside of EBay so that communications are 'off of the grid'.

I had a funny thought about Battlefield's Green Cobb yesterday. The next person to buy it should take it to the Pawn Stars with a printout of the ebay listing and see if they will buy it. I think if people see the blue background on the card they might start catching onto Battlefield's selling tactics, or the Pawn Stars can get stuck with the card probably forever. And if they don't buy it you can leave negative feedback claiming the card was so bad that the Pawn Stars don't even want it. Even better would be if Rick calls in his buddy from PSA to look at the card and tell the whole world how bad the card is.

It's not a BAD card. A lot of people would love to own it. Unfortunately, it's worth about what they originally paid for it when it was SGC "Authentic". Maybe a little more if they got a deal. But they are nefariously trying to claim it is something it is not in order to pocket extra income. This time, it is biting them in the ass.

Is it just me or does anyone else's head hurt after reading the corporate gobbledygook from the eBay rep's emails? And I read insurance policies for a living...

Yes, I liked how the person had to be an expert in the field, never be wrong, have an eBay account, and not sell in the category they are an expert in. LOL Seemed to me like a way to disqualify everyone.

So wait, how does Battlefield make her money? Are there people who buy thousand dollar baseball cards and DON'T return them when they find out that the edges are all chewed up &etc.?

She must be making money on the small stuff, the commons and such. The ones that aren't worth grading.... or returning.

WRONG!
My wife qualifies...:)...

Bingo!! And the person looking for a raw Hank Aaron rookie card - and intends to keep it that way.

One thing that really helps battlefield is that once she refunds the buyers of these cards they very seldom leave feedback. Most of her negative feedback is from inexpensive cards.
James

All I know is :
 

If it was me doing business like that I would have been booted off eBay long ago .

I'm almost positive Battlefield is at least her second incarnation as a seller. Can't remember the previous name she used though. I remember when she started as Battlefield and I think she even touted her previous sales.

T-206 green Cobb Battlefield 0516
 

Well like someone said the Green T-206 Cobb is for sale again on Ebay. Of course the last time it was on there it got shilled so many times to get the price up but no one fell for it! I emailed her to ask if she thought the card was trimmed but have not heard back yet. My guess is that I won`t here back at all. :rolleyes:

She's at it again.
 

Omggggggggggg

I'm impressed there are back scans for some of the cards and not all of the scans show perfect cards this time around.

This is an incredibly low bar for a seller. :rolleyes: :back scans are included and the scans are only somewhat doctored.

PS- Bill, this is a shot at Battlefield, not at you. :)

Even the graded cards look photoshopped
 

I don't see any marks on the card at all

Wow 7 bids on the green Cobb already and there are still 6 days left to go. How high does it go this time?

Lots of these raw cards are sold over and over..I am not sure ebay really cares, otherwise one would think they would do something about their practices, after it is reported and proven beyond a reasonable doubt they are committing fraud...(so it seems) :)
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=...ld0516&_sop=16

Well, how about the board stages a boycott of eBay starting May 1 until Battlefield's account has been cancelled and she has been banned from eBay? I will. I may be a small fish, but I can cancel all my listings the last day of April and not buy anything via eBay until the battlefield account is pulled.

I'm in

You are in for a LONG wait. Why wait until May?

So if someone buys the green Cobb and returns it again do they still get the Ebay buck for it? If so someone will cleanup on that deal.

The present T206 Cobb green is not the same one returned multiple times for being trimmed; it is part of a huge listing of a near set of T206s auctioned over 3 days. Look carefully at her wording. Now she says each card has been measured, meets standard criteria and should grade. This is a marked departure from prior auctions where questionable cards always seemed to be called nrmt+ etc. She has definitely joggled her business platform and, damn, most of cards seem ok, lots of diamond cut nice looking copies. Star card already attracting plenty of action on the first day of bidding.
Never a dull moment with Battlefields. This thread has lots of followers.

Does this include not being photoshopped?

I agree, it does sound promising, but until someone purchases one and has it graded, we will never know if she is now telling the truth?

All items are 100% authentic & unaltered unless otherwise specified in the description. Almost everything always starts at $0.99 with no reserve so please check out our other auctions!


This week we are proudly auctioning off the finest set we have ever owned. A 1909-11 T206 Near Complete Set! 520 of the cards in the set (only missing the big 4) are being auctioned off this week over a 3 day period. We have taken the time to measure every card in the set and other than a handful that appear to be slighty miscut, all cards measure correctly and show no evidence of trimming. These cards are the real deal! In our opinion every card in the set is worthy of professional grading. All cards have been placed in brand new BCW Tobacco card insert sleeves specifically designed for T206 cards and brand new Ultra Pro top loaders for maximum protection. Opportunities to bid on this many T206 cards at one time don't come around very often. Don't miss out on these!

Well, two reasons: I had a $500 bid in on a lot ending in four days (but it just got outbid this morning) and I figured starting on May Day had a nice ring to it, and would allow for greater vintage community collectors to learn of it before starting.

Yep. All of that wording has been on her other auctions. She can claim it all she wants, you can trust her if you'd like, but if you get them graded, you will find out they are all crap, and she will claim ignorance.

Around the loop we go.

Might have been mentioned above but large number of t206's up for sale now. Clearly trimmed with descriptions like..."breathtaking"... so misleading.

Looking at the bottom right corner of Cy, honestly, almost gives me a stomach ache.:eek:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CY-YOUNG-BAR...IAAOSw53NY9aBD

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Is it known where she acquired this "near set" of T-206s from?

All those t206's are either spectacular, breathtaking, or phenomenal. Just ask Elaine Benes, aren't they breathtaking Elaine? What a scummer.

why do people keep referring to battlefield as "she?"

isn't "she" confirmed to be DEAD?????

No. That is a coincidence I believe.

If you call someone picks up that supposedly knows her.

The green and red Cobbs are completely gone when I look. I can't find them under completed, sold or current auction search criteria.

Is this a rolling blackout or were they removed?

Removed, You are welcome...

Hardly Kosher during an auction. I suspect somebody offered a ton of $'s for them and away they flew.

Wrong again, ebay removed them. They are not taking kindly to Battle's shenanigans much more...so it seems.

In a local tavern, would you pick up a gal named Battlefield?

Hmmm...depends. Which winch for the wench wouldn't make me wince?

Never, but I used to know a guy who knew a guy...

Interesting. 2 of the 4 Cobbs are still up there. Curious to see how this goes.

I think only 2 cards were reported and both were taken down. If anything else happens I have no idea. My guess is all items get bought and a lot of them get returned with some negatives given, but not nearly enough. Things are still being worked through but hopefully in the future it will be quicker getting bad stuff taken down on ebay. Had there been 83 things reported (or anymore than were) I am not sure anything would have happened. Baby steps....

Great news, Leon!

Thank you! :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391757219078...AIT&rmvSB=true

She has sold this same card multiple times. I really wish ebay would ban her. I recall in the late 90's, early 00's sellers would get banned. Ebay needs to update their polices.

Well, it sure doesn't seem like Battlefield has changed her ways any.
These are mostly from within the last month, and looking at some 52 Topps cards she currently has on E-Bay, which look exceptional, one can only conclude, again, that she is hasn't changed one bit.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...e&interval=365

I was set up at a show yesterday. A guy comes up to me and tells me he is bidding on a nrmt or better 55 Clemente on ebay. I asked him if the seller was Battlefield? He said "what?" He looked and it was her/him/them. I told him of our stories. He didn't know who the seller was nor what their feedback was AND he was bidding on $1500+ card, raw. That is when I saw their new listing and they aren't covering their butts the way they were recently in other ads. That said, they had about 135 Negs in the last year but not that many the last few months (still way too many but less than before). Back to reporting her/he/them for their misdeeds.

Yep. In one of the many negative feedbacks was a 51 Bowman Mantle., slabbed/graded. I was watching it a bit before it sold and wondered if I'd ever see any feedback about it? It was a $10,000+ dollar card, and although the purchaser doesn't get into details about the card, my gut told me it wasn't the last time I'd see or hear about it.
Also, that Mantle is not the only graded/slabbed card in her negative feedback. Seems she can't even be honest about those, and with most people thinking pics of slabbed/graded cards are likely unaltered/photoshopped, she has taken it to a whole new level!

I've only bought low dollar centered 57s which were actually rather nice. I've never dared to buy high dollar cards from battlefield. I've bought from the two "phenomenal" sellers..."really_bad_cards", and that was enough.

So looking at the expanded pic closely of the '51 mantle I noticed the lower right corner looks photoshopped. The corner is a bit discolored and may actually be dinged badly.

I've been tempted with some of her 52's but since most look phenomenal, I have steered clear knowing they likely aren't what they appear to be.
Some of the prices, if they were in the exact condition as shown and described, would be pretty good deals, imo, but knowing her/them and what they are doing to the hobby, and people in general, I just can't do it.

Since they have as many negatives and neutrals as they do AND seem to give quick refunds, it really does say something, and it's not good. I would just say you are rolling the dice and they are stacked against you if you buy raw cards from them. Personally I have better things to do with my time but I don't blame some people for trying it. As I told the guy at the show though, is it really worth the headache and expense? That Clemente would have been graded if it would, imo. But there is always a chance a grader could have a bad and give a numerical grade out when they shouldn't. It's just not a game I am going to play though. Good luck to those that do. You still have lots of chances :).
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=...ld0516&_sop=16

Just searching for some 52 Topps cards and of course I came across ole Battlefield again.
I hate to revisit this thread and bring it up to the top, but I thought with new members joining all the time, it might not be a bad idea if they see it?

Not much, and most likely not anything has changed with her. Seems like the same old same old, business as usual with her.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...e&interval=365

As long as the make SOME money doing their scam, they could care less....

i like when battlefield defends itself on negative feedback on some of the negative feedback that is.

How do they become a top rated seller with 125 negative feedbacks over the past months?

I have 0 negative feedbacks but my PO does not scan enough of my items. Because of that I can't even become a top rated seller.

Go figure.

I have the same problem. It's obvious they don't actually meet the top rated standards, they do however meet the double standard...

When there seems to be no good answer the answer is usually $$.