People In Glass Houses.....
 

Joe Jackson autograph? Seriously?

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Cy Young?

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Chris,

Where are these from?

Harry Chadwick?
 

Harry Chadwick sig?


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From your loving old husband, Henry Chadwick!

That inscription makes perfect sense to me...
It was nice of Henry to sign his note to his wife with both his first and last name :rolleyes:

These did not originate from Coach's Corner.

At least he included his picture so she would know which husband....

Ty Cobb? Really?

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Chris, I respect you for showing all the bad autographs you have purchased but please tell me why you are now showing them off.:confused: I live in a house they can throw rocks at.

Very funny, Shelly.

Dan Brouthers
 

Dan Brouthers?

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Am I the only one missing the point of this thread?? Is Chris building up to some giant "So and So authenticated these" unveiling?

Ken

I don't think who "authenticated" them is the issue. ;)

Please don't post my bad Jethro Pugh signatures :(

Yes, I missed it too. Chris sort of explained some things to me personally but I am still mostly in the dark (kind of like a mushroom some would say)...

The suspense is killing me.
You can never have enough drama over on the autograph side.

+1

My guess is.. Chris is calling out a hypocrite(s). I am also waiting for the boom.

Its gotta be a Peter Nash thing.

Ben,
I think you are right.
I was just speaking to the dramatic reveal. :)

Whoever it is, they have no business criticizing anything. That is, if they created these.

Nap Lajoie Autograph/Signature?
 

Nap Lajoie?

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Frank Selee Autograph Signature?
 

Frank Selee?

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Seriously, what are these awful forgeries?

I'm afraid I know how this is going to end...if it does, get ready for an autograph sub-forum meltdown.


No balls, please.

I don't know how its going to end, but I sure hope it doesn't end in a meltdown. Yes, the debate is nuts at times on the sub forum, but I've learned a lot also, and enjoy giving my limited opinions.

Chris, David and Shelley, how bout getting along for the good of the rest of us who want to enjoy the forum?

More than my pleasure:)

I have a feeling like some other people on here that they are from Peter Nash:D

+1

I don't want to further the speculation at this point, but what would "from Peter Nash" even mean? In his PC? Does he sell stuff?

Good question. I think these might have been items that he sold in the past.:confused:

Al Spalding Autograph?
 

Al Spalding?

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Chris, could we have the punchline please?

Cy Young Autograph?
 

Cy Young autograph?

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I'm out of popcorn Chris. We know these are bad autographs, and why do they look like crayon, many of them? Just awful..

I just have a feeling that the excrement is gonna hit the bladed thingy that cools us down in the summer soon. ;)

Yes...how about a little follow through?

Dan,
Don't erode the drama quotient.
This is the auto side after all. :D

Yeah, I know. I've virtually given up trying to moderate any type of peace between the usual suspects, but I hate threads and posts with innuendo and no payoff. There's so much secrecy going on in this group, it's ridiculous.

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"well, 4 out of 5 experts agree with me"

"Who are they?"

"I can't tell you that"

"Why not?"

"Because I promised them I wouldn't"

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I question the expertise of anyone afraid to put their name out there. And I question threads like these that drag on for days on end only leaving more questions and a sense that this hobby is not one to be entered into at all.

The Autograph Cognoscenti

Well, I hope the punchline ends up sucking, because I'm going to miss it.

You guys tell me about it if it happens.

Agreed. Borderline childish if you ask me.

Just went and checked when this thread "started". 5 days ago and no real substance. I'm with Scott, if something earth shattering comes of it, someone please tell me, otherwise I've lost interest.

Kind of like a stripper with 30 pieces of clothing on, eh?

it's just a diversion from the current bad and stolen stuff coming up at auction with the bad loa's from the jack of no trades authenticators. there is no excuse or explanation coming forthwith, so let's blame someone else.



classic people's court episode.

judge: so you have been accused of not paying rent to the landlord for the past six months.


defendant- with no excuse: well...well... uhmmm... (pointing across the aisle) he smokes weed!

Tony Lazerri autograph? Seriously?

........never mind I'm being inexcusably evil.

Ha....

I can't avoid a train wreck (see icon).

I think everyone should participate in this thread. Who knows? Perhaps that is exactly what Chris intended, but he wanted to let us figure that out on our own.

Someone else noticed the Emperor has no clothes!

Babe Ruth...

Mickey Mantle on a 3x5 index card

I love Mickey, Mickey who? Mickey Mantle. oooooooo I love you, Not Yogi Berra? oooooo I love you......

Wonderful vintage Mickey index card. you even have a photo of him signing it..:p

+1,,, well done Scott.
could it have been ghost signed by Ty Cobb?

This tread is just plain stupid and a waste of board space and time.

Lock it.

If Chris doesn't bring this to some larger point that he wants to make, it does need to be locked. We could post fakes all day, but I don't think it's fair to allow continued speculation about where these came from.

Assume for a minute that these all have to do with Mr. Nash (I have NO idea but it has been speculated above), I don't think anybody ever tried to impute to him any sort of noble intentions; does it necessarily make everything he says/uncovers/prints false? Or rather does it require a greater deal of scrutiny due to the origin? Or should it be discounted altogether?

The entirety of his website is more about retribution than it is in recovering stolen items from the NYPL and Hall of Fame and cleaning up the hobby.. Does anyone doubt that if his misdeeds were still unknown that he'd be doing any of this "sleuthing"? However with that said most of what he's putting out there is pretty damning and I don't see too many people refuting any of it.

+1

Read the following (written by Peter Nash, himself) and you'll understand how great he is.

Amazing how Hamilton was able to get Peter Nash in touch with his dark side, purely through analyzing his handwriting :confused:

"But from 1989 to 1995 Nash experienced the dark side of the baseball collectibles field as he discovered, with the help of his friend and world renowned handwriting expert Charles Hamilton, that close to a quarter million dollars worth of materials he’d purchased were either bogus or stolen goods. Some of the stolen items were believed to originate from the collections of the New York Public Library and the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY. Over the past fifteen years, Nash has conducted his own personal investigation into the hobby, which now constitutes the backdrop for his compelling exposé on the fraud-ridden industry. In particular, Nash has succeeded in unraveling some of the hobby’s greatest mysteries involving massive thefts from the historical baseball collections housed at the New York Public Library, Boston Public Library and National Baseball Hall of Fame. "

So Nash was a victim and now a hero???

According to an unbiased 3rd-party source named 'Nash', yes, apparently so.

However, Haulsofshame eventually does exposes on any questionable element in the hobby, so I'm sure they will be investigating Peter Nash soon. If that occurs, we have a board member who might be able to provide him advice on suing himself.

Scott,
I like where you're headed with this. Funny.

I don't know--and I don't give a rat's ass--why Peter does what he does. All I care about is that he does do it.

He has done--and continues to do--quite a bit more than those here who put themselves forth as the hobby's protectors. (Ya'll know who they are.)

Can Peter be full of himself? Yeah. He can. So what?

Keep up the good work, Peter.

And thanks. We all owe you.

Billy Hamilton & Jimmy Collins Autographed Baseball?
 

Billy Hamilton and Jimmy Collins autographed baseball?

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If Leon wishes to lock this thread that is fine with me.

That, Mr. Atkatz, was touching.

Glad you approve!

Can we please delete this thread and keep the spamming to a minimum. How is this any different than the "BrooklynDodgers6969" guy that spams the board with garbage posts??

Babe Ruth autographed baseball?
 

Babe Ruth autographed baseball.

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz
I don't know--and I don't give a rat's ass--why Peter does what he does. All I care about is that he does do it.

He has done--and continues to do--quite a bit more than those here who put themselves forth as the hobby's protectors.
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(David is still on my block list but Chris quoted him).

David - name one time you have stepped up as a hobby protector, other than posting here, which hardly earns anyone a title as hobby protector.
There are several people here who have stepped up and contacted auctioneers about bad items. There are people here who have contacted law enforcement agencies. Have you done any of that? I would wager that you have done nothing. If I am wrong, then I apologize. Tell us David, have you done anything like that? If you have, you have never posted it here.
And I guarantee you that Chris and a few others here have done major, major work as hobby protectors, with law enforcement, and not just posts on a forum. And I believe though there is discontent about this thread, that the board knows that Chris has done a lot for the hobby.

I like reading his stuff too. It's useful for the hobby. I don't care if it's self serving, at least he's putting himself out there.

Wow, those were my thoughts exactly, Richard.

There has been stuff going on for years that myself and two others cannot write or talk about yet. Aside from that, we have done a tremendous amount of good that no one ever hears or reads about.

Our knees don't shake and our hands don't tremble at the slightest hint of a threat or intimidation.

I NEVER meant myself, Richard. I have never made any claim to such a thing.

Perhaps you should actually read what I wrote. I certainly was not giving much credit to the self-proclaimed heroes. (yourself included.)

Sorry David, you are on block, your blather is not being read by me.
But I am sure it is critical of people who are active in the fight against crime in the hobby.
Despite attempts at intimidation, despite verbal and written threats, the fight continues and Chris is at the forefront of it.

Nope. They certainly don't tremble. You wouldn't be able to pat yourself on the back so grandly if they did!

(Now, let's hear again, how I stopped posting after receiving a lawyer's letter. It never happened, but it does make for a good post. And it is all you've got--even if it's not true.)

PS: LOVE the "cannot write or talk about it" stuff. Keep it up!

I am so honored, not reading the posts of someone who apparently loves to read mine. He posts immediately after I do, so I assume I am being read by David.
Time to watch the rest of the Rangers game :( and then Justified. I am done for the nite. Have fun guys.

It's true, Richard! I hang on your every word. (And I LOVE your creative use of emoticons!)

"and then Justified."

Best friggin' show on TV!!!!

Ken

So can we just make this the "dumpster" thread...trash in, trash out...

Oh wow, IU just lost again...

I appreciate all of you.:)