1952 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 3 Available in Complete 1952 Topps Set Break at National
 

Just Collect, in partnership with RippingWax.com will feature a complete, 1952 Topps Baseball PSA Set Break LIVE at the National. One person from this set break will receive the hottest card in the hobby today, the 1952 Topps #311 Mickey Mantle “rookie,” that has been graded PSA 3 (an image of the actual card is pictured below). This incredible set break will be offered by VintageBreaks.com and will include all 407 1952 Topps cards graded by PSA – this includes all of the scarce high number series (cards #311-407). The live break will occur at the Vintage Breaks booth in the Case Break Pavilion at the upcoming National in Atlantic City. The date and time will be announced at www.vintagebreaks.com. Entries can be purchased now on www.VintageBreaks.com for $359.99 each while they last and if you purchase more than one spot in the break, each spot will be discounted to $349.99 each.

For those unable to attend the National you can still enter this historic 1952 Topps PSA set break. It will be streamed live online and the break video will be posted to Youtube for all to see!

This Vintage Set Break of a complete 1952 Topps PSA Set featuring the #311 Mickey Mantle PSA 3 is certain to be one of the highlights of what promises to be an exciting 2016 Atlantic City National. Once VintageBreaks.com sells all 407 entry slots, the numbers corresponding to the entrants and the cards in the set will be generated using a computerized random number generator – no pieces of paper in a hat or ping pong balls rolling in a cage – the set will be broken with true randomness . . . and in front of everyone at the National!

Entries are available now on a first-come, first-served basis. Participants need not be present at the National. To secure your spot today check out www.vintagebreaks.com. Full details and rules for the Vintage Break of the 1952 Topps PSA Set Break can be found at www.vintagebreaks.com. For any additional questions please send me a PM on here or contact Leighton Sheldon by email at Leighton@justcollect.com or by phone at (732)-828-2261.

Wow... nice looking 3.

Anyone feeling lucky?

Is there a breakdown of cards and their grades anywhere?

And oh yeah by the way----
 

...and 406 more scans , for us centering weenies....

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Link to site with grades/pics: http://www.vintagebreaks.com/feature...opps-card.html

PSA GRADED BREAK HIGHLIGHTS:



#311 Mickey Mantle PSA 3


#312 Jackie Robinson PSA 3


#333 Pee Wee Reese PSA 4


#268 Bob Lemon PSA 8


#1 Andy Pafko PSA 4


#11 Phil Rizzuto PSA 3


#29 Ted Kluszewski PSA 7


#36 Gil Hodges PSA 4


#37 Duke Snider PSA 3.5


#65 Enos Slaughter PSA 7


#67 Allie Reynolds PSA 7


#88 Bob Feller PSA 4


#182 Billy Hitchcock PSA 7


#195 Minnie Minoso PSA 4


#215 Hank Bauer PSA 5


#216 Richie Ashburn PSA 5


#250 Carl Erskine PSA 6


#264 Roy Hartsfield PSA 7.5


#277 Early Wynn PSA 6


#261 Willie Mays PSA 3.5


#407 Ed Mathews PSA 3.5


#400 Bill Dickey PSA 8 OC


#315 Leo Durocher PSA 8 OC


#313 Bobby Thomson PSA 4


#344 Ewell Blackwell PSA 8 OC


#326 George Shuba PSA 7


#332 Tony Bartirome PSA 4


#334 Wilmer Mizell PSA 7


#356 Toby Atwell PSA 8 OC


#366 Dave Madison PSA 7


#372 Gil McDougald PSA 6


#379 Joe Rossi PSA 8 OC


#380 Clem Koshorek PSA 7


#384 Frank Crosetti PSA 4


#392 Hoyt Wilhelm PSA 4


#396 Dick Williams PSA 4


#399 Jim Fridley PSA 8 OC


#406 Joe Nuxhall PSA 4.5

Hey Scott/JC:

I read: So ALL 407 has to be sold to start? What if this does not happen? Does JustCollect buy the remaining slots?
At 359.99 a slot is a lot of $$$ and only 12 spot are sold so far of the 407.

I had a idea to share, maybe getting groups of friends and share the cost. Which I considered doing myself. If you get like 3 guys, that's 120$$ each, in which we would then re-sell the card and split the price.

While it is anticipated that all 407 slots will sell out in advance of the expected VintageBreak at the National, in the event that the break does not sell out, the entry period will be extended, within reason, and the break will occur live, online at a date selected and announced upon the full sellout of the break.

An amazing 136 of the 407 cards are graded PSA 5 or better! That’s more than 33% of the set in EXCELLENT or better condition! A list of all of the cards and the associated grades should be available on the www.VintageBreaks.com website later today.

All grades posted
 

The full list of grades are now available in addition to the images of 14 cards.

To clarify, since some have asked, you do not need to be present to enter the contest (you can do so online) and you do not have to attend the National to receive your prize.

Weekend bump.

You should consider doing a satellite sale. Sell 20 tickets for say 20 bucks winner gets an entry into the break. While a lot of people might not risk $360 plenty will take a shot at $10 or $20. Plus it gives you a little more profit.

The poker player in me understands the satellite concept and while I greatly appreciate the suggestion, it would create a dynamic that would result in the offering being illegal.

There are definitely some regulations concerning this kind of thing. And if done the wrong way could be a big legal issue. My thought is/was, since everybody is getting a physical and valuable product, they just don't know which one, it is not quite like gambling. That being said I am pretty sure our resident lawyers would recommend erring on the side of caution. Good luck with everything, JustCollect team.
And thanks again for being part of the Net54baseball community. It is appreciated. And last but not least, some of my best times at Nationals have been with Leighton. I hope to resurrect that next year (with you by our side, Scott!!)

Still at 244. What is the within reason date? Curious for those who bought in...including myself

My first time buying into something like this and not happy how this is shaking out. Bought one spot for me and one for a sick friend and was trying to give him something fun to focus on. Kind of sucks to be in limbo. If they couldn't sell a few spots at the show this doesn't sound hopeful at all.

they could lower the price and refund the difference to the current buyers..

Sorry to hear that, and good on you for trying to take his mind off of things.

I would give them a chance to explain what they are going to do before breaking out the tar and feathers. They are good guys; give peace a chance. :)

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Unfortunately, the break did not sell out during the National.

VintageBreaks.com has every intention on completing the enrollment and running the break and expects a sell-out and the break very shortly.

VintageBreaks apologizes for any disappointment as this would've been spectacular to have headlined at the Breaking Pavilion.

Updates will be posted regularly on the VintageBreaks.com website and slots sales will be updated as quite a few were sold at the National.

Thank you to all that have participated so far, those that will in the future and thank you all for your patience.

Slot availability on your website has not changed since before the National ended. Can we get an update? I'm hoping this will still happen but not looking good.

I will check on getting the count updated ASAP.

Are there any updates?

Still shows 244 spots left. I would have bought a couple if the price per spot was more in line with the value of the set being offered. Perhaps it's time to adjust the price and get this sold out.

agreed

Still no set break and no refund. I'm being patient with these guys. Last communication I got was its happening.

Be interesting to see what happens. I don't usually mix work and pleasure, but occasionally being a class action lawyer comes in handy.

I reached out to Sheldon about a 2 weeks ago and he responded that it was still a go and he would be happy to refund me at any time just let him know. I am willing to hang in a little longer but just about to call it quits as it does not look like it is going to sell out any time soon.

I am sure this will get their attention! ;)

The price point is entirely too high, and one of the parties involved has a less than stellar reputation. I wish them luck, but those two items right there are probably big factors as to why this is nowhere close to selling out.

At this point, the intention is still to follow through with the break.

Anyone that does not wish to wait can request a prompt refund by emailing: leighton@justcollect.com.

Just out of curiosity, what is the comment about a less than stellar reputation referring to?

Refund requested. My first and final foray into set breaks. Like I need this aggravation.

Exactly why I sat this one out and have passed on many, many 1940 Superman cards from Just Collect.

This is kinda like Kickstarter.

Thanks for the updates. When I did not see any traffic/info in about a month, I figured it was time to ask the status.

This is my first venture into a set break, so I'll hold on a little longer.

But it would be nice if the POC can put out an update every 2 weeks or so, even if it's no changes. Knowledge is power and when there's a total vacuum of no info for a month, one gets ansy.

thanks

MEB Boy

The VintageBreaks.com link takes you to the page but there is a message saying "Whoops, Our Bad". A great concept to break a 52 set, hope it gets completed.

Site is back up


Rich

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I also emailed for a refund. Have not heard anything yet. Let me know if anyone else does.

What was beyond frustrating was I went to their table at the National to check in on the status of this and say hello and there was a very pleasant woman sitting at an empty table (right as you entered the room) who basically told me she had no information on the break and was just sitting there for someone. Yeah, good way to sell the remaining 200 plus spots in your break. Have someone there who has no information on anything.

Update: Sept 7, 2016
 

To anyone that has requested a refund prior to Noon today (Sept 7, 2016), you should have received an email reply from Leighton. If you have not, please resend your request to Leighton@justcollect.com.

I will work diligently to provide a line of communication, including updates and pertinent information from VintageBreaks.com, David and Leighton and provide a regular update (more often if circumstances require).

To reiterate, anyone that prefers not to wait for the break to sell out and wishes a prompt refund, please email Leighton@justcollect.com with your request.

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sorry...did hear from leighton (president) that he would forward to operations manager to take care of today (yesterday). Still waiting....

Have asked for a refund now three times, including a direct email to Leighton, and no response.

Seems these guys are hellbent on destroying their reputation on the most influential baseball collecting forum there is. Interesting approach.

It certainly doesn't seem to be a priority. As a non-participant I am stunned, really, at how badly this has been handled. And it seems with the refund requests the completion is getting farther away, not closer.

I am not surprised.

Not losing sleep over it. Have a lot of friends down where they are.

If its by credit card it would be an easy refund.. Just seeing what they wanted for a slot to me didnt make sense that people would fill up the slots.

I do think you will get paid eventually though if they want to have any type of a reputation

Admitting you made a mistake is what they should have done weeks ago. Everyone makes mistakes. Yanking a lot of people chains is the wrong approach. If you are running a business and can't timely refund a few hundred dollars something is very wrong.

agreed...funny how 'rich' people will take your money but when it comes to pay something back..even a few hundred its like pulling teeth..maybe thats how people stay rich...

Its not like the money was used to buy something, like to pay for a an event that hasnt taken place. it should be real easy to click a few times on the keyboard. Plus if one guy is saying the other guy is in control of the money, why not just pay the refund now to the customer and get the money from that other guy. Why make the customer wait..

I owned a construction company for 20 years and that old couple that had to save to have work done always tried to pay before the work was finished. Every "rich" person and I do mean every one took weeks and sometimes months to pay. As a contractor we all know this is how it works and they do get charged a much higher rate because of this.

If that was their goal it certainly seems they have succeeded. I can't imagine doing business with them ever again. I did not buy into this break when I saw what was being offered. 407 x $350 is over $140k. If they spent close to half of that on the set I would be surprised. And a 30k estimate for an off center PSA 3 Mantle seems pretty ridiculous. I would expect that card to sell for less than 20k, and am confident I could pick up an off center 4 for less.

I hope those who bought in get their money back one way or another.

FWIW, That card, the exact same one, was sold by PWCC on 7/7/16 for $23,600.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...p2047675.l2557

Refunded for my slot
 

I just want to let everyone know that I e-mailed Leighton regarding a refund and he told me it would be refunded by the end of the next business day and he was good to his word, I received a full refund last night.

I received my refund as well.

Seems to me they're going to have to cancel this venture altogether - the people requesting refunds will tack onto the number of slots they're still needing to fill for completion and if they're still a couple hundred slots away from a sell-out before beginning to hand out refunds....

When I first saw thread, I was excited, until I looked at the price per ticket! :eek:

My take is, the price was way too high. If they had of kept it reasonable, in the $50-$100 range, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation.

i amazed they sold as many tickets as they claimed with that price considering what cards were available that could be sold for more than the ticket price, however there would sure be some happy people depending on the results.

Guess I missed that one. Even so this break was announced shortly after that sale. If the price of the break was adjusted down by the same 25% margin that the value of the Mantle was overstated this may have went down differently, and probably would have still left them a nice profit.

He is probably referring to the VP's behavior on message boards. The VP has tarnished is own reputation for having a lack of integrity and bullying fellow collectors.

On 9-6 I posted, "Exactly why I sat this one out and have passed on many, many 1940 Superman cards from Just Collect." - A very simple and honest post that received a prompt and threatening PM from the VP.

The next day I posted a comment about the VP and decided to delete it because I thought maybe this wasn't worth getting into with a guy who behaves like a loose cannon. Since, I've noticed several other posts being edited I am wondering if he has been threatening them, too.

Just Collect's blog shares endless "finds" which come off as manufactured hyperbole to me. To buy a card off eBay is fine to complete a set for a break, but then to give an "approximate" value of 30% more in order to try to justify the price point, a lack of communication at the National, and seeing how difficult it was for customers to receive their promised "prompt" refund is borderline fraudulent, IMO.

But, I personally avoid Just Collect because of the comments their VP has made on collecting forums with memes making fun of mentally challenged people, mocking the Malaysian Airline tragedy, and comments about Rick Probstein's business practices and religion.

Patrick:

You are a liar. I advised you (and Bobby) that pointing out that you were thin skinned on CU and that you had a comment for everyone even though you may not have known about the topic was nothing to challenge my reputation over. If being dislike or pompous on a message board means someone has a questionable reputation or in not trustworthy, then many of us are condemned.

I stated in the PM that I would appreciate that you not take your personal dislike of me to the point of attacking the business that I work for. No threats. Nothing rude. I also pointed out that you and Bobby both complained about others contacting your work and how that was inappropriate. I find your latest actions and commentary rather hypocritical.

I don't like you. You don't like me. That's fine. But I don't find that as a reason to attack someone or question their ethics -- I guess that you do.

I can only speak from my experiences and not Patrick's, but the bullying part is 100% true. So I would believe that Patrick IS NOT a liar.

Patrick:

Reading your post, I will address that I sent PMs to you and Bobby. Feel free to post them. There was nothing rude or threatening.

Please share with everyone where I posted ANYTHING about Rick or his religion. Provide one personable N54 that I sent a threatening PM to about this thread causing them to edit a post.

You're great at making up stories, pointing fingers and living for the drama. Most already probably see through it. For those that don't, I won't stand for you making false allegations to settle some score because your feelings were hurt.

I have called out many people over the years. I have also assisted many others. If you wish to get into a challenge of character, I'm standing tall and I'm right here. The ONLY thing you'll come up with will be a dozen or so people that don't like me because of disagreements that we've had. Tom S, Greg M and even Sean Bassik and I have had issues. I don't carry grudges and don't look to attack anyone because we don't see eye-to-eye. That would be a sad way to go through life.

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Wow, The " Congratulations" post it real hard for me to swallow. VP is my 3rd Ignore list resident now. Please block me from your Ebay autions.

I not think the jewish comment was amounted to much...the congratulations post is bad, but the post on probstein sort of depends what is true or not but most likely ill assume its untrue. Since its coming from competition sort of, i think most people would take it with a grain of salt... It is interesting that there are arguments with sean bassick ...not sure why no other last games were given. ..its got to be a heck of a disagreement to not like a dozen people.

calvindog the lawyer likes to comment on my b/s/t thread and say im an idiot, i disagree with what he does and the fact he posting on my b/s/t thread but i like him. I wonder what disagreement could of occurred with a dozen people to not like them which could imply hate...

To be fair those emails don't contain any threats, just some insensitive jokes. But Scott it does appear you lack the temperament to be a company spokesman. If I was running just collect I would be putting someone else in charge of public communication. Before your reputation is completely ruined on this board and in the hobby in general addressing the problems with this break and issuing timely refunds might help. This whole situation is really a shame because a 52 Topps set break would have been awesome. Hopefully someone will be able to put one together.

I agree. A 1952 break would have been awesome. The price point just wasn't there. Burl from Burl's sports runs some awesome set breaks. I would think he makes a good deal from doing them, as he does them all the time, and obviously makes more breaking them up than he did buying the set. There is a difference between making a good profit and making an obscene killing. Not saying that this set falls in the "oscene" category, but it sure SEEMS like it. How much is a low grade 1952 set realistically worth?

Those posts are definitely "iffy" at best and a couple could easily be construed as offensive. If I'm the "face" or spokesman of a company, those are not the sort of posts I believe I would be making if I'm trying to positively build myself and my company up in the community.

Just Collect may want to reconsider the approach they take when advertising publically like this. This thread as well as the "...will pay 70% of the value of your cards..." campaign were very poorly received on Net54 and it's safe to say did way more harm than good.

Also, the moderator in me is concerned about the potential for harassing, bullying emails as those are definitely a no-no. Gotta keep the community safe and keep this a fun place to collect cards after all. I hope there isn't any of that going on....

Guys, give it a rest. I feel like I am on the CU boards.

If anyone should be offended it is all of us tired of the freaking WHINING the last two days. Enough already.

Mark

The CU boards is more like SGC these days. But, understood.

As a Jewish person living in the exact area Scott mentioned in his email, I'm very disappointed in his lack of sensitivity towards faiths other than his.

Regards
Rich

I personally find the "Congratulations" poster in infinitely poorer taste than the "dead cat" photo that rankled so many feathers but that's just me.

+1000, though it wasn't originally posted here. But still.

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Bobby:

I was curious so I did some numbers.

In very simple math for this break. If one purchased 2 or more slots they were $349.99 which we will round up to $350 for this purpose. Since the 1952 Set has 407 cards we will round that down to 400 cards for this part of the exercise.

Therefore 200 times 350 is $70,000 and with some people taking only one space and the few extra sales the gross would be about $75K

I don't think the profit is that much on a complete 52 set at $75 K especially with all the graded high numbers.

Perception is far worse than reality on that price point. And if 23K was what was spent on the Mantle -- then the price point made sense.

Just a shame the rest of this whole venture went south

Rich

Rich I don't follow your math although I may be missing something. 407 slots times 350 per slot is over 140K gross?

349.99 x 407= $142,445.93

LOL, I seen that also. I figured Rich has not had his second cup of coffee yet.:)

As i do collect a lot of 1952s...the chance of getting a card that was worth more than the slot price if were going to sell it in a pwcc/ebay auction the next week was very very small. There are no psa 6 high number commons that you can net $350 (save for 1 or 2 if super super centered) for example and i thought most of the cards were psa 5 or worse in high number. However the mickey and #407 etc would be a big steal. so there would be some big winners, but maybe for the slot price of $350 or so, there just were not enough consolation prizes to help sell the slots fast.

Dead on, multiply my numbers by 2 and the answer is $140K -- I need that second jolt of caffeine. Trust me, I'm noticing that in my real life work as well. Coke zero time -- here we come

Let's see if I can do the math right this time
 

Now that we using $150K as our price point for selling out this break

Let's see where the rest of this goes

$23K on Mantle -- assuming that is correct

96 other 52 High Numbers and let's say $100 each for decent looking copies

$9600 and since there are better cards such as Jackie, Roy and Eddie #407 lets make this double for $19K

310 other cards -- at an average of $20 each for collectible cards

$6200 and for argument's sake -- let's even make this full book for the easiest series commons at $40 each and this would be $12.4K

So

23K
19K
12.4K

54.4 K

and for fun -- let's add another 25 percent

54.4 K plus 13.6 K - Rounding to make even

68K

So the $150K for selling every slot is probably a double which is not outrageous for any company with overhead. I suspect Justin can probably do his percent a bit tighter as his work is probably a leaner operation

So I hope I got my math right this time

What percent would YOU make if you spent about 70K to build a 52 Set and wanted to do a break.

Oh, and as for the comment about how few cards are worth the money -- isn't that the whole point of Power Ball, Mega Millions and all those other lotteries.

Regards
Rich

I agree with you if people wanted to do a power ball, mega million type break then thats for them. So far there just does not seem enough people that want that. Theres a reason instant lotto gives out prizes that are the price of their ticket in addition to the huge prices.

As to: What percent would YOU make if you spent about 70K to build a 52 Set and wanted to do a break.

If you spent 70k on a set card by card and paid the buyers premium etc in order to obtain them, i would expect the original buyer to lose 10-20% on all of the commons cards. Assuming he bought the cards the last few years. If he bought the cards in 1952 he would make a TOOON! Also you would expect to make to make money on the 5-10 key cards if bought them last year or earlier.

If you paid BIN for some of those cards you would lose even more as I am assuming you are paying auction prices.


The set break seller that receives the consigned the cards to do a 'set break' has every right to make money on the venture and can charge whatever they want to make it worth it. Twice the set value may be reasonable. I dont have an opinion on that at this time.


But yes for Lotto type situation its good for those types of people. I know i would be thrilled if i was the one that won the mantle. Ultimately its the people paying for the slots that decides if the price is right i guess.

It seems to me that the fact that they haven't come anywhere close to selling out the slots, and that they are going in reverse because people are demanding refunds, tells you all you need to know about the price.