Beware... Moser cards apparently in Mile High Auction
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Bad not shocking....so sad..... next nothing to see here
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Bye bye Brenty, or is it Brent trying to change the dialogue. I'd be curious who consigned them.
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Are they suggesting that the Boston Store Ruth was messed with?
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What a stunning miscalculation he made not to take down the 52T Mantle. All that bullshit about it being conserved. It's so fitting that his arrogance and misplaced sense of invulnerability led to all this.
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[QUOTE=bnorth;1892523]Why does it matter that none of them will buy your cards?[/QUOT
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312 just posted a few more... he said the volume he is seeing in the auction is staggering and he wouldn’t be surprised if nearly every card in the auction has been altered. This is not a good look for MileHigh... whether it’s malicious or not...
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I just got home to find my mile high catalog in my mailbox I immediately sent them a message asking to be removed and told them why.
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I am confused. I thought if one avoided PWCC suctions they were safe and the chances of buying an altered card were much lower.
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We’re surtounded by communist sympathizers There are many people with varied interests in seeing this situation play out in different ways. There is very little fact and quite a lot of speculation still circulating. The BO folks have identified some significant number of potentially altered cards and adopted a guilt-by-association mentality toward any cards submitted with them. That is prudent but who knows if it will turn out to be the exception or the rule? Bottom line is that it’s going to take quite a while for all of this to be looked into and sorted out. Is it possible that some bad slabs made it into the MH auction or any other major auction house? Sure. Is it likely to be practically every card? That seems to be a bit of a reach without evidence to back up such a comprehensive assertion. The latter seems more like an attempt to induce panic. |
Since when does PWCC have a monopoly on being good for the hobby?
Perhaps because their vault is bigger than the rest. |
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Just in case you don’t, you don’t feel like this is a big deal? I did my early bidding today and saw a lot of the cards that are now being called out, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is 25% to a third of the auction that’s now “suspect”. There were already a few lots withdrawn as of mid-day today, I would imagine there are dozens more coming soon. |
Never been real fond of auction houses that have unmarked reserve pieces as well as lots that they themselves have financial interests in. It's on page 1 under 2.d) in their current catalog if you want to take a look.
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The Mile High auction could be an attempt at a large inventory dump. |
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It Wouldn’t change your mind at all if you knew who consigned them, you would bid the same regardless? And you’d have zero problem bidding in their auctions again after finding out they were accepting consignments from someone who was actively seeking to get altered cards past the TPGs? |
Blowout reports many of the cards have been taken down, but the guy running the show says many more altered cards remain. Stay tuned I guess to see how it plays out. I am glad Brian is responding.
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Withdrawn Lots
At first glance there are 12 lots that have been withdrawn, much more than the 1-2 per auction. I would not be surprised if Brian found out that they were Moser's work and promptly withdrew them. Having dealt with Brian I have complete faith that he would do the right thing as he is a stand up guy.
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Good Job By AH pulling these...
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Very good the reported lots were pulled. This fraud that has come to light has done serious damage to my faith in all the TPGs. Anything of value and greater than say a graded VG/EX will have me question whether the card has been altered or not.
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In a thread last week on this forum we had some spirited back and forth and I was on the side that you would see cards surface in other auction houses just as easily. No surprise here whatsoever. |
I have been following all the "stories" on altered cards and a thought came to me. I haven't looked at all the cards that have been called out but are they all higher dollar cards? What about the, say T206's that have PSA grades but are commons like a Steinfeldt Sweet Caporal I have graded PSA 1.5 or his T205 Piedmont graded PSA 4 with a value of about $40 each?
Not fueling the fire but just curious. |
For what it’s worth, I also believe the MHCC guys will do the right thing if there are suspect cards. I bought a lot of t205’s from them & had 8 with cracked cases that weren’t shown in the auction. Called them and they took care of the reholdering. No doubt in my mind they’ll do what’s right in this situation, too.
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And I’m sure that these cards weren’t consigned directly by Moser and that MH never took consignments from Moser over the years when everyone knew that Moser was a card doctor. |
Who Submitted
MH now has the submitter of the cards. It wouldn't take much for the AH to get together and create a list of 'straw submitters'...
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What if Moser has submitted openly to MH for years?
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/ˈsärˌkazəm/ noun the use of irony to mock or convey contempt. |
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I'm from Jersey, I usually don't miss sarcasm, I just assume it, sorry!
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At first glance there are 12 lots that have been withdrawn, much more than the 1-2 per auction. I would not be surprised if Brian found out that they were Moser's work and promptly withdrew them. Having dealt with Brian I have complete faith that he would do the right thing as he is a stand up guy.
To the attorneys on the site . . . If MH had a bona fide reason to believe they were being defrauded, could they turn these cards over directly to law enforcement? |
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Brian has been through a few wars and knows all-too-well, particularly in a post Mastro world, that the primary asset for any AH/dealer is reputation and even a sniff of a scandal these days can be ruinous. He is doing what he has to do. Love to know who the consignor is. Doubt it is Moser.
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I have sold things with consignors names on them and had to ask what they wanted to do. Example Mailing envelope from a given team. Defacing it may hurt the value but there's the name or magazine address stickers. Of course that doesn't guarantee it's the consignor but if you see a lot of them in one auction it's probable. |
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For the record, I am saying be diligent and do your homework if you’re a prospective purchaser. As for the hyperbole, stick to the facts as we know them. |
Consigners
How about the AH shows the complete list of consigned cards from the 30 or more cards that have been withdrawn not showing the consignors name but all the cards he consigned ..good or bad
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error on the side of caution than wait for an auction house or PSA to step up. They've been given their chances. They left it up to collectors to figure things out on their own. This is the "homework" that is being done. If they don't like it or need to clarify then they can. I'm not holding my breathe. |
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Fine - let's deal with facts. Looks like at least 42 lots have been withdrawn, out of approximately 400 graded card lots. Basically all the 1948 Leafs except one, 1948 Bowmans, all the Berk Ross except one, all the Parkhursts except one, I'm sure there are others. All of these sets were extremely popular choices for alteration. Thankfully it appears that MH has dealt with most/all of them? Yesterday they were taking them down one at a time as discovered and reported, but seems like that changed. I said 25% of the auction might be suspect now, so you're right I misspoke. I was referring to the single card auctions, of which something near 10% are now withdrawn. Where exactly between this and 25% does hyperbole start and stop? It's your prerogative to continue to insist we need a "courtroom conviction" level of certainty on each and every card. I don't need that level of certainty. I'm glad they were withdrawn. Unfortunately, we still have to keep looking for them next time. And unless the AHs are going to share with each other and/or the market more broadly, someone else is likely going to get duped into accepting these and this whole circus will start again. |
When's the last time an AH withdrew 40 cards from an auction after it opened? But nah, nothing to see here, after all, no lawsuits yet, right Jake?
And yep, the cards will just surface somewhere else. |
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Have they pulled the 75 racks that were still up yesterday? Those are no good as well.
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Good job by Mile High.
But this is the type of stuff that should happen. When the big time auctions and dealers start having to remove a lot of cards in the middle auction, they'll start putting pressure on PSA and the system. It would go be good if this happens a bunch of times with other auction houses. |
The other houses might want to hire the Blowout team as consultants before the next auction goes to press.
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Is anyone else having trouble getting onto the Mile High site?
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This Domain Name Has Expired - Renewal Instructions. |
Forgot to pay their utility bills? How embarrassing. And they're the ones auctioning off the T206 Wagner and Cobb/Cobb back?
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With all the scammers in this industry, i'm surprised nobody has bought the domain and held it for ransom yet.
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According to their Facebook page, they just forgot to renew... payment is processing.
Extortion is scamming, right? Or is it just slimy? |
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So if you make an honest mistake and someone makes you pay fo it, that is fine? Got it.
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