$200,000?
 

i know both consignor and consignee are board members.

beautiful card.

extremely bold price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...QAAOSwPc9WvLfj

without an "or best offer" option...

Good luck to Sean on that one. Yes, I believe in "buy the card, not the holder," but technical grade has to account for something. I've seen crazier things happen however and this would be well past my pay grade. Good luck to all parties.

Pricing error? It does happen daily.

certainly possible.

i got $20k for that card.


i don't have $2mill for it though.

Wondering if he upgraded ........

The auction image certainly isn't showing the exceptional colors.

Pricing errors are never is higher than it should be!

I offered Sean 190 but he turned me down.

what else is on your want list? ; )

I'm kind of sad to see Matty selling that card. I know how much he loved it.

Is this the end of the world??
MattyC have you gone mad?
You have something that everyone just dreams on. WHY???
I can see if theres a medical issues or wanting to further your education.
Is there a small island or swamp land?

I don't think he's selling it as much as looking for a Godfather to "make him an offer he can't refuse". ;) Can't blame him for testing the waters in today's market.

I know, i had thought about it myself (the other 52 mick thread)

the fact that there is no "obo" says a lot to me...

so "testing" is a very cordial word to use, imo.

well respected guy, great collector and extremely nice card.

absolutely crazy demanding price, though.

Side question?? If if sell high-end items like this on Ebay...How do you go about shipping this item? Use Next day mail, then how about insurance?? Who do you use/prefer??

Matt may have to clone himself to find a buyer. :D

So, which one is MattyC??
https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.Mf0...=0&w=300&h=300
https://sp.yimg.com/xj/th?id=OIP.M57...=0&w=300&h=300

none of the above.

listing ended and hopefully just a temporary brain fart!

we all make'em.

A BO is not necessary in all cases and this is probably one. An interested party will find a way to negotiate and a cash deal off site would save thousands in fees.

I agree. I think the OBO (Or Best Offer) completely undermines a BIN price. If I am setting a high BIN, I would never use OBO. I would just set a high BIN and come off firm and let people who really want the item reach out and negotiate. An ebay listing puts an item out there. The deal on high end stuff on eBay gets done offline 90% of the time IMHO.

and i would expect if it had an "obo" that a side deal woulda been struck just as well, yet a whole lot simpler for a perspective buyer all while eliminating the "are you serious?" factor.

edit: and lest us not forget that we werent talking a strong asking price. we were talking $200K.

I have a few cards where the price it would take to get me to sell them would make many who 'sticker shop' ask if I was serious. I have a three of one card that looks like a six. I will price it like a 5.5 if I ever sell it. You can have your opinion of my price. But it is my price. If you cannot or will not pay it, just do not.

we all do.

actually attempting to sell them at that is a different thing.

and for the record, we do not know who or where that price was derived from.

just want to make that clear.

but just because this thread doesn't have 500+ replies does not mean people are not conversing about this privately and asking whiskey tango foxtrot, i can assure you.

if it didn't involve two guys from this board, people would be having an absolute field day with it publicly.

The card does look better than 7s that have sold for 200k+, and even some of the 8s that have been selling in the 500k range. I wouldn't be surprised if he got close to that, assuming he can find another collector like himself who doesn't mind paying well over "market value" for the excellent eye appeal of the card. Tough to gauge the added value of a card actually being displayed in a museum.

I agree. I will also say that famous Mick looks better than almost every six and most sevens I have seen. Centering is wowza rare. If mine, I price it like it looks instead of what the number is. I would also have to think what it would cost me to replace later with same quality. Sevens > 200k now.

IMO the value just has not gone up by a factor of almost 6x since it sold in the 30s in 2014. It's a 4.5 and there is obviously a reason for that.

agreed about the museum part, but i don't think it significantly adds value.

i have to disagree about it looking better than the 7's/8's. maybe one outta that bunch.

centering, registration and colors are, indeed, hard to beat but if someone is willing to spend 7/8 money, they will want one near that grade and w/ a pop that is significantly lower.

they aren't gonna shell out that 7/8 money for a grade that is near half of that and a pop that is trumped by the number of higher vs lower.

again, the card is gorgeous. the 4.5 does not fit and the eye appeal simply blows away the technical grade. no one is arguing that at all.

a big question is why hasn't it been submitted for a review? and if it has, that would make me tend to believe that there might be a minute surface wrinkle/issue somewhere that may be barely noticeable in hand, let alone in a scan.

a card that has an otherwise flawless appearance and just the hint of a wrinkle or crease is an auto 5. one w/ those corners, the only real flaw that can be seen via scan, would be designated a 4.5.

that's the only conclusion that i can derive as to why it's unfairly slabbed that grade.

if it hasn't been done so, i would send it in for a reholder, a definite review, and ask about slabbing the label "louisville slugger museum card" or something to that effect.

send it off to pwcc and let the market determine it and hopefully get a good bidding war going.

but that's me.

If he needed to sell it quickly I'm sure he would send it to PWCC. If it were my card I'd do exactly what he did. Set it with a high price and not be upset if it didn't sell. That card is one of a kind in terms of eye appeal that transcends the grade. And I doubt he really needs the money.

never said he did need the money and pwcc is not necessarily a quick pay out either.

and while you might go w/ that sales tactic as well,

most would not for reasons i will not list.

the review question doesn't even really need to be answered though.

people give the tpg's sh!t, especially when they mess up.

but every once in a while, they do get it right...

and this is unfortunately, yet most likely, a case of getting it right...

a couple of times.

I have never seen the card in person and can't speak to the accuracy of the grade. Even if it technically deserves a 4.5 I don't think that is the main issue. Someone will be willing to step up to get it because of the perfect color, centering, registration, etc despite the flaw that accounts for the technical grade, even if most won't be.

agreed.

but not anywhere remotely near $200K though....

I recall you mentioned you sold your PSA 5 52 topps mantle and PSA 6 51 bowman mantle for about $30k combined last year. Also you sold a 52 topps mantle PSA 7 oc recently for $27k.
Based on these sales and the recent 52 topps mantle centered SGC 4 sale of $54k through one of the big auction houses, how much do you think this centered PSA 4.5 52 topps mantle is worth then?

and what color shirt did i wear today?

but, i dont recall posting any figures...can you refresh my memory w/ link please?

however pretty sure the 51/52 was back in '14...

but you seem to keep absolute scary tabs so by all means, lemme know.

and again, i would love to see a link where i posted figures.


while you are at it, lemme know what any of those sales would have to do w this?

and i think you answered your question w/ an actual recent sale of a well centered sgc 4.

so, you calculate the .5 grade difference, the psa holder and the museum novelty factor, write it in your journal and let us all know your professional opinion, ok?

or better yet, tell the guys involved to come and add to the thread and let us know where they derived the $200K joke price from.

from what i have been told privately, they certainly know about this thread and have dodged or gave very vague answers to emails and inquiries.

but im sure they loved that you bumped this back to the top for them, jdoggs, as it was almost buried.

I wonder what the ebay fee was to post that ridiculous price?

jdoggs should be able to field that one as well.

of course, i still haven't gotten a link to those posts he described above....

makes me think that it might just be a "fluffer" account or an alt.

no name, no nothing...

It might be the oft-heard about, but rarely seen 'stealth' account!

Well played!

Have not noticed either one posting in a while. Can't blame them for trying, there are many cards on eBay priced way crazier than that one was.