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G1911 02-22-2018 02:17 PM

Picked up a T218 Blank Back - anyone have other T218 oddities?
 
T218's are one of the easiest tobacco sets to find. I've owned hundreds and am building a complete master set, but have hardly seen any scrap or oddities. The set certainly appears to have had tighter quality control or less cards that escaped from the factory in an unfinished state than other common issues.


Image: https://imgur.com/a/L02uU


I picked up this Handy last week (not a boxer, but there isn't a swimming card forum!), only the second blank back I have seen (Rector is the other). The card appears handcut and is the correct thickness.


An Abe Goodman with a bad scan that was purported to be printed on thick cardboard appeared on eBay over a decade ago. I've never seen a partially printed card or anything like that. Never even a miscut bad enough to tell what the adjacent card is. Anybody have any?

Exhibitman 02-22-2018 04:05 PM

Does this work for you:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...s%20miscut.jpg

G1911 02-22-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 1750419)

That's just what I'm looking for! I have an unhealthy fondness for ugly miscuts

scooter729 02-23-2018 07:53 AM

Big fan of the set and its Canadian cousin the C52s, and have completed both sets. But you're right - I don't recall any real printing issues on these, aside from some miscut backs. Nice pickup with the blank back!

Bill77 02-23-2018 10:18 PM

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The only printing issue I have so far in my collection is this Tom Collins:

Exhibitman 02-24-2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 1750427)
That's just what I'm looking for! I have an unhealthy fondness for ugly miscuts

Me too. Thatís the only one I have seen in T218. I had it slabbed for protection only.

G1911 02-25-2018 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill77 (Post 1750867)
The only printing issue I have so far in my collection is this Tom Collins:

I love the off registered or misaligned colors like this and I always try to grab them when they appear. Thanks for sharing, theyíre pretty tough to find in T218

G1911 02-25-2018 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter729 (Post 1750606)
Big fan of the set and its Canadian cousin the C52s, and have completed both sets. But you're right - I don't recall any real printing issues on these, aside from some miscut backs. Nice pickup with the blank back!

Iím working on the C52ís alongside my T218/T219 sets. Thankfully they arenít too expensive but Iím making very slow progress because they so rarely come up for sale. In my mind, C52 belongs as part of the T218s and Iíll have to finish them to have a master set. Maybe in 20 more years Iíll be close! Beautiful set to have completed

Exhibitman 02-26-2018 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 1751689)
I love the off registered or misaligned colors like this and I always try to grab them when they appear. Thanks for sharing, theyíre pretty tough to find in T218

Now I see it..that porn 'stache distracted me.

Coincidentally, picked up this T220 miscut last night:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/N1UAA...kME/s-l500.jpg

This is my favorite T-wreck:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...er%20freak.jpg

G1911 02-27-2018 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 1751857)
Now I see it..that porn 'stache distracted me.

Coincidentally, picked up this T220 miscut last night:

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/N1UAA...kME/s-l500.jpg

This is my favorite T-wreck:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...er%20freak.jpg


T220 doesnít have many oddities either, I think. You beat me on the Ryan, my placeholder bid was the under and then I forgot to go back before it ended to bid again lol. First T220 miscut where you can see part of the next cards caption that I recall seeing. I believe your Coburn scrap came up on eBay many years ago and I lost it too. That Coburn is one of the coolest T cards I have ever seen, absolutely love it.

Besides these, the blank back silver border McAuliffe (without the silver applied) that came up at an auction house a couple years ago is awesome. I wish I had seen this card before it sold. Only blank back Iím aware of. I have a really weird white Lavigne missing a lot of partial inks that Iíve posted before. Iíll check my saved scans by put canít think of any others. Many cards you can see the back frame on the front right of the card as a grey ghost looking image

I donít believe Iíve seen anything weird or cool in T219 at all. I have a Welsh that is significantly oversized and a Papke that seems to have a printing alignment mark in the border but thatís it.

steve B 02-27-2018 09:47 AM

No misprints in T218 for me, but I do have one in T220. I'll have to scan it or see if I already did one. It's got the yellow from a different card. Not really obvious since yellow is light, and the design is a bit busy.

Exhibitman 02-27-2018 03:19 PM

That's the first T220 miscut I've seen as well with the caption from the next card on it.

I've had that Coburn for a long time. I did get it off eBay back in the days before freaks were popular. I actually sold off my T206 freaks when the prices got stupid for them.

I did get this recently:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...ong%20Back.jpg

E8 card with an E78 back.

G1911 02-28-2018 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 1752315)
That's the first T220 miscut I've seen as well with the caption from the next card on it.

I've had that Coburn for a long time. I did get it off eBay back in the days before freaks were popular. I actually sold off my T206 freaks when the prices got stupid for them.

I did get this recently:

E8 card with an E78 back.


E78ís are tough to find even printed correctly! Sweet pickup

x2drich2000 03-05-2018 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 1752315)
That's the first T220 miscut I've seen as well with the caption from the next card on it.

I've had that Coburn for a long time. I did get it off eBay back in the days before freaks were popular. I actually sold off my T206 freaks when the prices got stupid for them.

I did get this recently:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...ong%20Back.jpg

E8 card with an E78 back.

Well that's an interesting card, based on my Young I think it is safe to say E8 and E92/E101/E102 were printed at the same factory. I wonder if there is any possibility the E8 and E92/E101/E102 were actually printed on the same sheet(s).

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4506/...9fb41497_b.jpg

G1911 03-06-2018 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by x2drich2000 (Post 1754356)
Well that's an interesting card, based on my Young I think it is safe to say E8 and E92/E101/E102 were printed at the same factory. I wonder if there is any possibility the E8 and E92/E101/E102 were actually printed on the same sheet(s).


Iíve wondered the same, and I think they were in some cases at least. The couple of these oddities Iíve seen appear machine cut to me, not handcut or unfinished cards from pre-production. The upside down backs would happen if they ran the sheet through the press the wrong way, I think.

Exhibitman 03-06-2018 05:33 PM

Yup, that's how they happen. Either that or they were using the sheet as scrap for some reason, and happened to accidentally put it in with the pile to be finished and sent out.

G1911 05-03-2018 08:31 PM

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Tolstoi backed Jeffries Ghost/wet sheet/something. The red aligns exactly perfect with the red inking on the front of the card

The Kline is unusual too. It's not strange to see the darkness of the back text shift slightly, but this card is far, far darker than normally seen. Not sure it comes through quite well in the photo, but each character on the back is somewhat wider than normal as well. It looks like the back was printed over twice or something

Exhibitman 05-04-2018 01:09 AM

Yup. They ran the sheet twice.

butcher354435 05-04-2018 02:40 AM

I've also got a few e78's with an e8 reverse... so just the opposite of the one Adam shows above.

G1911 05-15-2018 04:21 PM

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Not as awesome as E78's with the wrong back or front, but a cool Lunghi. Partial wet sheet transfers or ghosts aren't all that rare, but the vivid brightness this card has retained of the Irish American Athletic Club logo from Emilio's shirt is.

G1911 05-15-2018 04:29 PM

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And a second card for today, that I've shown before but belongs here. Something of a train wreck. Picked up years ago for a few bucks alongside some normal T220's from a seller who didn't know anything about the cards.

The manner in which it was acquired and that I can find nothing funky or wrong with the card on physical examination has me thinking it probably did come out of the factory this way as opposed to being a card doctor's practice card to try and remove some ink.

I kind of like the "Snow" background more than the properly printed one. Card has a Mecca Fact. 649 back.

G1911 05-15-2018 04:34 PM

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And finally, a less cool but still cool-in-my-book Beecher card. The "silver" applied to the cards usually only varies very slightly. This one is about twice as dark as anything else in my stack of T220's or that I have seen in person. Presumably, it got some extra applied during whatever the process was American Lithographic used to apply the Gold/Silver borders on their cards. Placed alongside a few other regular Beechers to the left of it. Hope the file condensing in the website upload doesn't dilute the effect:

G1911 06-29-2018 07:00 PM

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Top and middle cards have an ink defect on the top left of the grass.

This one is a recurring print defect or variation depending where one draws the line. I have had one of these 2 cards for a long time and thought it was just a cool one off. The location on the edge and the shape of the ink smudge was, I thought, the result of a worker at the printing shop touching a sheet that hadn't dried yet with his thumb. That there are at least 2 with the exact same smudge lends me to think perhaps it was dust or dirt on the printing plate instead. Both of these cards have Mecca 30 backs. I would love to know if anybody else has a McGrath like this, and if you do, what brand/factory

Marslife 08-05-2018 04:00 PM

T220 double pass
 
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Hey Greg!

picked this up at the National this weekend, cool double tap on the name and off register a bit!

Cliff

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Bill77 08-05-2018 05:05 PM

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I just recently found these T218s and T59s. The Harry Sedley Jr has a slight misalignment with the green and I thought the color misalignment on the T59s were cool. The Smythe Northridge looks to have just a hint of another card at the top as well as a wet sheet transfer of the border of the back of the card.

G1911 08-13-2018 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill77 (Post 1800936)
I just recently found these T218s and T59s. The Harry Sedley Jr has a slight misalignment with the green and I thought the color misalignment on the T59s were cool. The Smythe Northridge looks to have just a hint of another card at the top as well as a wet sheet transfer of the border of the back of the card.

That is a really cool Northridge. It's not rare to see part of the next cards back border, but I believe that's only the second one I've ever seen with another card showing on the front, after Exhibitman's awesome Summers.

rhettyeakley 08-16-2018 10:48 PM

Here are two that I had set aside some time ago (I have a soft spot for "freak" print cards)...

http://starsofthediamond.com/t218miscuts.jpg

http://starsofthediamond.com/t218miscuts2.jpg

Marslife 08-18-2018 07:23 PM

t218z
 
Nice Miscuts Rhett! was good to see u again in oHIo.

cliff

G1911 08-19-2018 09:39 PM

Sweet miscuts, and a C52 to boot. interesting that the card above Sheridan doesn't appear to be another Sheridan. Perhaps Moran?

G1911 08-24-2018 04:16 PM

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Couple of T220 printing variations. Maher should have a red background, Sharkey a Burgundy. I have a lot of missing red ink and orange background cards that I'm not convinced are 'natural' and came from the factory that way, but I think these 2 are. The Maher, I think actually looks cooler than his regular card

G1911 08-31-2018 12:40 AM

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Back with another cool Maher. This card originated from the same collection as the Maher and Sharkey 'sans red' cards above. This one shows a bright image of another card's reverse on the front, though a bit misaligned. Always enjoy finding little oddities like these

G1911 11-30-2018 05:43 PM

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Miscut with name at top card of Donovan. The text at top shows the bottom of the "of To Day" line, showing that like the other ATC sets, at least some sheets had multiple of the same card stacked on top of each other in a column

Marslife 01-30-2019 09:30 AM

Red Shift
 
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Hey Mr. G!

scored a nice t220 sharkey with a red shift, thought you would appreciate it!

TTYL!

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G1911 06-28-2019 03:09 PM

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This is not the only "yellow streak" printing error in T220, but the first Fitzsimmons I've seen. Card on the left is the regular card, the card on the right has yellow ink splotched over much of the lower half of the card.


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