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tedzan 09-07-2018 06:34 PM

T206 Reference....Reflections, etc..... A Tale of Two Unique UZIT cards' "finds"
 
A Net54er emailed me. Telling me that the Herzog / UZIT card which I claim to be unique is not so. He says that 2 different Pop Reports (SGC and PSA) list this card graded.

What he does not realize is that both these Pop Reports reflect the same card. I sold this Herzog card (graded SGC 45) to David Hall (for his T206 Master set) two years ago.
David is a PSA guy, so he had this card re-graded. David lost 1/2 a point in the process as PSA graded it a "3". The Net54er appreciated my explanation.

Anyhow, this is perfect example of why one cannot always absolutely trust Pop Report data to be an accurate representation of a rare card such as this Herzog.


TED Z
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Silverskulls 09-08-2018 01:53 PM

Vertical OM miscut w/ 2 players
 
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Hi all—

Would love assistance with some detective work:

According to the centennnial edition of Inside T206, the only cards known to be vertically miscut AND show 2 different players are from P350-only sheets. It was a result of the Pirates winning the 1909 WS and being long-printed with some sharing vertical rows with other players.

However, I recently acquired an Old Mill back Doc Casey that is vertically miscut, and features a different player at the bottom of the card.

1) Has anyone seen an OM miscut like this?
2) What could be the explanation for the vertical positioning of the different cards like this? Were players alternating vertically in OM?
3) Who might the player with the dark blue background be?

Thanks in advance for your input and expertise. Looking forward to hearing theories.

Justin

tedzan 09-08-2018 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverskulls (Post 1811238)

However, I recently acquired an Old Mill back Doc Casey that is vertically miscut, and features a different player at the bottom of the card.

1) Has anyone seen an OM miscut like this?
2) What could be the explanation for the vertical positioning of the different cards like this? Were players alternating vertically in OM?
3) Who might the player with the dark blue background be?

Thanks in advance for your input and expertise. Looking forward to hearing theories.

Justin


Hi Justin

#1....I have seen quite a number of mis-cuts like your Casey (but not Casey....seen other T206's).

#2....Multiple printings (vertically) of the same T206 subject was commonplace. Followed by a different subject (above and below) that subject.
This process was independent of the T206 back. Since the fronts were printed first.

#3...." Who might the player with the dark blue background be? "

Casey is a 350-only Series subject, and many T206's in this series have dark blue backgrounds. It's anyone's guess which T206 is below Casey.


TED Z
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Silverskulls 09-09-2018 07:53 AM

Thank you, Ted! Very helpful. The string is a treasure trove.

Pat R 09-09-2018 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverskulls (Post 1811238)
Hi all—

Would love assistance with some detective work:

According to the centennnial edition of Inside T206, the only cards known to be vertically miscut AND show 2 different players are from P350-only sheets. It was a result of the Pirates winning the 1909 WS and being long-printed with some sharing vertical rows with other players.

However, I recently acquired an Old Mill back Doc Casey that is vertically miscut, and features a different player at the bottom of the card.

1) Has anyone seen an OM miscut like this?
2) What could be the explanation for the vertical positioning of the different cards like this? Were players alternating vertically in OM?
3) Who might the player with the dark blue background be?

Thanks in advance for your input and expertise. Looking forward to hearing theories.

Justin

I think you can cut this down to a handful of serious candidates.

I might have missed a couple of the dark blue subjects from print group 2
but if you eliminate the ones that haven't been confirmed or are Old Mill
no prints you're left with these candidates.

Batch
Bender (with trees)
Brain
Cree
Knight (with bat)
Krause (portrait)
Livingstone
Quillen

Bender and Cree have different back patterns than Casey and there is a
Livingstone two name PD350 with Maloney at the top so if you eliminate
these three as strong candidates you're left with these five.

Batch
Brain
Knight (with bat)
Krause (portrait)
Quillen

If you have these five in hand to compare with your Casey you
might be able to narrow it down further.

Very nice card congratulations on picking it up!

Pat R 09-09-2018 03:10 PM

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Like I need an excuse but the Nascar race was rained out and it's
cool and overcast here so I was bored.

The colors vary from card to card and can also vary on the same
card with different scans.

These are all Old Mill's and I didn't resize the scans because
I didn't want to distort the colors.

Attachment 328216

Attachment 328217

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My choice would be Knight or Krause slightly favoring Knight.

tedzan 09-09-2018 03:16 PM

T206 Reference....Reflections, etc..... A Tale of Two Unique UZIT cards' "finds"
 
Justin

Also, either one of these Hal Chase cards could have been the card below your Casey card.

These cards were initially printed on an early 350-only series sheet (circa Spring 1910).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...aseblue50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...seblue50xb.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sedkcap25x.jpg




TED Z
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Pat R 09-09-2018 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1811532)
Justin

Also, either one of these Hal Chase cards could have been the card below your Casey card.

These cards were initially printed on an early 350-only series sheet (circa Spring 1910).


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...aseblue50x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...seblue50xb.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...sedkcap25x.jpg




TED Z
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You're right Ted I didn't factor in the super prints or the unconfirmed
Old Mill's with Blue backgrounds and any of them could have been the
card below Casey. I wouldn't consider the Chase blue portrait a strong
candidate though since there's a two name PD350 of Chase with
Zimmerman on top.

RedsFan1941 09-09-2018 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1811056)
A Net54er emailed me. Telling me that the Herzog / UZIT card which I claim to be unique is not so. He says that 2 different Pop Reports (SGC and PSA) list this card graded.

What he does not realize is that both these Pop Reports reflect the same card. I sold this Herzog card (graded SGC 45) to David Hall (for his T206 Master set) two years ago.



TED Z
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there was a Uzit Herzog sold in REA in 2013, so apparently there is more than one. or did you buy the one in REA, ted and then sold it to Hall 2 years ago?

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...-only-example/

tedzan 09-09-2018 05:37 PM

T206 Reference....Reflections, etc..... A Tale of Two Unique UZIT cards' "finds"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941 (Post 1811552)
there was a Uzit Herzog sold in REA in 2013, so apparently there is more than one. or did you buy the one in REA, ted and then sold it to Hall 2 years ago?

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...-only-example/[/QUOTE]


Ronnie.....I stated my timeline wrong.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ogSGC45x25.jpg.....First, I'll reprise my story which I posted in Post #499 of how I acquired this Herzog card.

" 1st Tale......
My old-time friend, Ralph, discovered the Herzog UZIT in a collection he acquired (circa 1990's) in his hometown in the Great Smoky Mountain area of North Carolina.
He knew what kind of a "nut" I am about T206's with scarce backs, so we did a nice trade. But, he did not know how scarce this Herzog card was, until I subsequently
informed him that it was the only known Herzog with a UZIT back. So we arrived at an additional cash amount (to him) to complete the deal. As of this date, this card
remains unique. "


At the 2013 National, David Hall was at my booth, and asked me "what kind of goodies do you have for me this time ? " I offered him this Herzog / UZIT card (which I
knew he didn't have in his Master set. He recommended that I consign it to the Fall REA Auction. Of course he was the winning bidder.

Compare the SGC serial number of the above card on display with the one in REA....THEY ARE THE SAME.

I hope you get it now......as of this date, this Herzog card is still the only known one with a UZIT back.


Sorry if I confused you, I got my years mixed up. Time is moving too fast for me. So it was 5 years ago (not 2 years ago) when David Hall acquired this card from me.


TED Z
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