1967 Topps Discs question
 

Are there 2 versions of these. I thought one of these might be a proof but the Standard Catalog says they only exist in proof form.

There were two separate proof groups of the Discs in 67, one of All Stars and one of only SF Giants. While they were never issued at retail ( I don't think even on a limited test basis), the proofs for each player can be found in different degrees on completeness. I ended up with an unfinished proof sheet. I think Howard siad he won the 68 sheet that was recently auctioned

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Thanks Al, I had a feeling you would know :)

IMO the two you pictured are the same type of proof. Believe both of these have the silver type foil background. When the disc was scanned or the picture was taken they appear different when viewed, but I think in hand both would be the silver foil. As Al noted they are all proofs, but you can find these discs in a variety of color progressions.

The only difference, in regard to versions, I have seen on the ‘68’s is that some have the silver foil and some have the plain white stock. I’m unsure if collectors would consider these variations, but they are definitely different.

I have a Gene Alley proof from 1968 that is on a white background, not silver. I would think that is possible in 1967 as well.

Don't think so
 

Just a guess here. I owned years ago a 1968 Mantle on paper that had a similar crease to your Alley. I also owned a Rose on foil no crease (from the Halper collection). I have seen at least 4 1967 proof sheets and a handfull of assorted singles and have never seen a 1967 on paper - only foil. I presume the origins will remain a mystery if and until one shows up. Also curious why the 1968 seems so much harder than the 1967.

So the '68 is tougher? The Standard Catalog says the '68 is more common.

Howard is right.

As for addressing the original question, Mark hit the nail on the head. I believe the original 2 pictures are the same. They both are silver foil. The pictures are shot with different lighting and at a different angle.

I have seen some of those creased 68's as well over the years. With proofs it's sometimes a matter of what part of the process survived or who purloined it.

The 68's are much more difficult than the 67's and IMO it's not close.

I'm a little confused...

Is this "black/magenta ink" pic (pulled from google) an example of discs that would eventually be full color after more ink was applied?

67s
 

Those are from the giants disc set
Missing all the colors

1967 Giants
 

These are progressive proofs with only a couple colors. I’m no printing expert, or even a novice for that matter, but I don’t think colors would be added to this, but was a proof for those particular colors alone.

They look kinda cool too and there not really cards, but discs. Are you going to start collecting these type of Giants items?!?

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They are missing blue and yellow.

Not going to start collecting, even though they are way cool.

So.....is the consensus that these primarily magenta hued are one issue and the full color are another? i.e. the magenta did not "progress" (through some printing process) to full color?

Sort of.


Progressive proofs are done to check that the color is right, and lines up with the other color. With CMYK, you sometimes get all the possible combinations, sometimes only certain ones. These are just Magenta and black


It also allows them to check for problems with each design. Like on the Perry, his name sort of gets buried in how dark his collar is. It's not too bad on the full color version so probably not something they'd fix. But this is the stage to find that stuff and fix it if it doesn't work.