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G1911 07-12-2023 12:52 AM

T220 Glover & E79 Rawlins - who are they?
 
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Most of the fighters in the tobacco and caramel sets are easily identified and found, even if only a last name is given. These two I don't recognize though. Glover I have put some work into trying to identify and failed. I believe it is Boyo Driscoll getting punched in the face, and Glover is the man on the left. Boyo Dirscoll is fairly obscure even at the time, but Glover I can't identify at all.

Anyone know who these two guys are and their full name?

D. Bergin 07-12-2023 07:03 AM

I assume that’s Mike Glover

D. Bergin 07-12-2023 07:24 AM

Rawlins card, that looks like a representation of Gans on the left. I’m guessing a sparring session. Maybe not a well known pro or an amateur. Maybe Jack Rawlins out of New Jersey.

Looks almost like an instructional pose, rather then a fight scene.

D. Bergin 07-12-2023 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin (Post 2355182)
I assume that’s Mike Glover


Damn, didn't realize how many Glovers were floating around during that time period. Could also be his brother Billy, though Mike was the more accomplished of the two. They were bigger then Driscoll, but no reason they couldn't be seen sparring or posing together.

There was also a Johnny Glover who fought on the East Coast and was closer to Driscoll's weight class. Interestingly, he does have a 6 month gap in his reported fight record, around the same time Driscoll came to the U.S., and would have been looking for sparring partners.

Here's the only picture I could find for him.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/images/a/a2/Johnny_Glover.jpg

There seem to be several U.K. fighters that are also candidates during that time period, but I'm guessing since this is a U.S. issue, this is somehow related to Driscoll coming to the U.S., and involves a U.S. based fighter...though I could be wrong.

Again, I suspect this is from a posed sparring (or instructional boxing) shot, and not from an official fight.

G1911 07-13-2023 10:37 PM

Thank you Dave! I think it is not a real fight, as you said. I cannot find any record of Boyo Drisoll ever fighting any of the numerous Glovers (it's amazing just how many people participated in at least a few professional boxing matches in this period, and how popular the sport was at the time compared to now. It feels like everybody and their father boxed for bucks at some point).

The E79's are based on real photographs, but the photos are often 2 different photos put together in the art for the card (like the Al Kaufman and Mike Sullivan, they are 2 post studio photos placed together to be fighting each other on the card art). I can't find any connection between Joe Gans and a Rawlins either. Whether 1 photograph from a sparring session or 2 independent pictures put together, the original photos might be out there somewhere still but I have had no luck in finding them.

The E79's showing fighting partners for Tom Sharkey and Jack O'Brien are mysteries to me too, but they are not given any name and may have been based on some generic boxing picture instead of a real pro.

D. Bergin 07-14-2023 09:34 AM

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For what it's worth. Here's a photo of Mike Glover I found in my files.


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