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Posted By: <b>scott</b><p> with the explosion of the caramel card market ,what other types of cards do you feel are undervalued?does the 18th century cards share the same potential as caramels?do goudeys have that potential?<br /> thanks,<br /> scott

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Posted By: <b>scott</b><p>oops i meant 19th century!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bryan Long</b><p>I don't think Goudeys have the potential of going sky high simply because of the number of the available on the market. Even though they are still caramel I think that the 1920's american caramel and such will continue to rise as people I think are just now starting to really collect them. Even though this sounds strange I think the strip card market will rise as well - but I have nothing to back that up.

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>I would tell you, but then I would have to kill you.<br /><br />Not sure too many people are going to divulge too much info here, because they are probably currently buying the stuff they think is "undervalued". I will venture to say that PSA/SGC 8-10 cards are NOT "undervalued", but that is just my opinion.<br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>In the last Mastro auction, they had several lots of PSA 7s, 8s and other mixed grades. In general, they sold for about 40% over SMR (after including the buyer's fee). So it may be too late to get into Goudeys if you are looking to make a quick buck. Unfortunately for me, its too late.

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Posted By: <b>Richard LLOYD</b><p>Regional and food cards are significently under priced and over the last several years Krause(Lemkee) has shifted there prices UP UP!!!.. In many cases these cards are near impossible to find, for the simple fact they were attached to a food products or a give away at a minor league game durning the 1940's-60's.. For example, I am currently in the process of writing an article about Spokane Indians Darigold Farm cards attacked to milk cartons...I found out the volume of milk produced and found that there were only about 2400 cards made of each player ... Now,the number of That cards survived over 40+ years is probably several hundard at most. Tis is just one example of many regional food issues...<br /><br />If you want to know more about regional food cards I have written an artice about regional food cards for SCD weekly magazine and it should be out any time in June. maybe today??<br />Best<br />Dick<br />PS: Right TS !!

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>strip cards have already been making a strong a move. Used to be you could pick up a nice Ruth or Cobb for under $100. Those days are long gone. And Joe Jax under $200 in nice shape is nothing but a pipedream now. They will pretty much be like caramel cards with a snowball effect of slowing building up steam over 3-5 years then getting to the point where it is today. You won't see strip cards command the prices caramel cards do, but they will keep going up for the foreseeable future.<br /><br />30s caramel cards was an area I used to pick up a lot baragins, but those have pretty much dried up too. There really aren't any segments that aren't scoured for good deals. Hell, even MP&Co cards pulling silly prices and those are the last cards I'd expect to start going up in price.<br /><br />Jay<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I like to sit outside drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home I would be arrested, so I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>I always thought there was no way that game cards could catch up with regular baseball cards--after all, they came in PACKS, not singly. But Fan Craze are getting very expensive, and I have never actually held a WG1 in my hands...<br />Generic cards, although they get a little more expensive every year, SHOULDN'T ever catch up, because they aren't of particluar players...but who'll rush out and buy one? <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BERWEA002.jpg"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BFCWD001.jpg"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BFCpla001.jpg"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BLcatch002.jpg"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/SandSPW.JPG"> <br />(E and R Williams game card, 1889, Anson and Ewing; Fan Craze Waddell and Plank; 1884 Lawson's catcher; 1936 (Americam Game?) Waner). <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/rschicago.jpg"> Oh, I just did (R and S Chicago, 1889).<br /><br />Seriously, off the subject of game cards and generics, does the original poster in this thread think Old Judges, Mayos, Goodwin Champions, Peck and Snyders, Jos. Halls, Just Sos, etc--are CHEAP?

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>I've always thought the Tom Barker and National Game cards were a great buy and look great.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Elkins</b><p>BCD, you had better sell me yours before it is worthless. This is one time I will buy the holder and not the overgraded card!

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BSjoeTN.jpg"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BSjoTNGb.jpg"> <br /><br />Of course, any Joe is expensive--but this is about as cheap as they get.

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Posted By: <b>Darren J. Duet</b><p>I agree with Anson and Julie, game cards will have their time in the sun, as will any decent appearing era piece showcasing a name like Cobb, Johnson, Lajoie, Speaker, Mathewson, Young, etc.<br /><br />Oldcardboard made in New Orleans will also have its time, I think it's just a matter of time before The Big Easy is 6 feet under(with a direct hit from a hurricane) putting the city in the spotlight(or floodlight) for a bit.<br /><br />T202's--the coolest cards at the best prices(you can still find a VG+ mathewson for under $200).

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>IMHO Exhibits and DoublePlays are undervalued. So are w517s, Batter Ups, and lots of individual cards which are far less common than generally realized.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>The exhibit thing is great right now; at least let me finish my sets before you run them up too. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>What should drive the market price is demand. To me, demand is usually a function of how popular the series of cards is to the collectors. If there is no interest then the demand will remain low and so will prices. Something to consider is that as more and more of the tougher (or more popular) sets become pricey then collectors will probably migrate to cards that were aesthetically less desireable (cheaper) to them to begin with and then the prices of those cards will begin to increase to reflect the new interest in those sets. <br /><br />I suppose that a speculation feeding frenzy could create a temporary market for certain cards but if there is no further interest in the set then the prices will decrease accordingly. If you were a speculator in those cards and spent a lot of money "hoarding" them then you better be happy with what you purchased because you just might not be able to recoup your "investment" if the interest in that set drops and people don't want them anymore. <br /><br />I buy what I like. Here's an example - I don't really care for the E107 series of cards so I don't buy them. I don't care how much people think they are worth, I just don't like the way they look. It doesn't mean I would turn one down at a cheap price because I know I could sell it and then use the money to buy something I do enjoy.

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>IMO, 1950's-1960's cards will ALWAYS be undervalued. <br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Adam, 50s and 60s cards were the first segment of the hobby to become overvalued and market is probably still correcting itself from the craziness of the 80s.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I like to sit outside drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home I would be arrested, so I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I happen not to like many of the popular cards so I buy them when I see them for good prices and always look to flip them. I also happen to like 1950s-1970s cards, so if the market on those is correcting, hooray for me. I can finally go after my sets at decent prices.

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Moraine</b><p>I respect your opinion Jay. But here's an example: You can pick up a 1954 Topps Hank Aaaron rookie card in vg for about $325-350. You can pick up a 1955 Topps Sandy Koufax rookie card in vg for about 150-175, and a 1955 Topps Harmon Killebrew rookie card for about 100. ALL COMPLETELY UNDERVALUED IF YOU ASK ME! CONSIDERING THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THESE GREAT STARS.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Sounds about right for those cards. They are not particularily tough to find. Granted, Aaron doesn't seem to get his proper due, but to me Kaufax is one of the most overhyped players ever. Now card #201, Sherm Lollar, is propably undervalued. It's is by far the toughest card in the set. I only know this because the 55 set was the first set of cards I put together that was not from my childhood. Berra also seemed to be tough for me too.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I like to sit outside drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home I would be arrested, so I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>and want to sell

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Posted By: <b>Scott Elkins</b><p>Thought I would list this set for everyone, since I sold my Walter Johnson and am no longer interested in buying any more cards from this set myself. These are one of the tougher 1920's caramel issues. Just make sure when you buy one in a PSA holder that it does have the little gray box at the bottom of the card with the player's info in it. I have seen E121's labeled as E122's and E122's labeled as E121's in PSA holders (sometimes with the later, you can get a good deal). <br /><br />Also, National Caramels and E126's are good deals - both much scarcer than the E120's and E121's from the Roaring 20's!

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Posted By: <b>Howie</b><p>For a complete list of undervalued Pre-War cards please see the latest SCD or Beckett yearly price guide.

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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>What they sell for is a better benchmark for what they're worth. There isn't a guide out there that comes anywhere close. Otherwise, I would be done with my E101 set already. Which, by the way, is extremely undervalued if you consider that there are less graded examples of every HOFer compared to the T206 Wagner.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Most undervalued--low pop commons in psa 8 or psa 9 from most popular vintage sets,<br /><br />T205,T206,33 Goudey,34 Goudey,34-36 Diamond Stars, 33 Goudey Sport Kings, 48 Bowman, 51 Bowman, 52 Topps, 53 Bowman Color, 55 Topps.<br /><br />Dav

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I agree, the '54 Aaron rookie is undervalued. I never understood why it was not in the same ballpark with the Mantle and Mays rookies.<br />Also, relatively speaking, I think the T206 Cobb with Cobb back is undervalued.<br />JimB

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