Yes, I didn't really understand that post.
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If the cards start going to the REA's, Sterling's, LOTG's etc... the dollars will follow. Likewise if the dollars stop going to PWCC consignments the consignments will go elsewhere. This COULD be an incredibly quick process if ethics outweighed money and "stuff." Even here on Net54 which is pretty close to the epicenter of the scandal we have people still consigning and buying from bad actors. Every sale and consignment decreases the chance that the guilty parties have to find a new way to make a living. |
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There are people who deal with others on this board with honesty and integrity. I consider them “good actors”.
There are people who have gone silent since this scandal has broke who used to post quite often on here........ |
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PSA has a Teflon Business people flock to them it doesn’t matter how many altered cards they slab. Pop and Registry have them hooked like a trailer. PSA has been smart having yet to address any of the underlying issues with their company grading tens of thousands of bad altered cards. They know people are hooked and many rely/need them for their business ....they won’t bite the hand that feeds them. This continues to prove itself day in and day out based on submission and altered cards in their holders showing up in the Major Auction Houses. Right, Wrong or Indifferent........ PSA they’re here to stay only getting stronger. |
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Same card, same grade, different grading company, but $200 higher asking price. As a buyer, that formula doesn't add up for me. |
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Do you support those criminals like you support PSA? Maybe you should pull your head out of the sand and see PSA is part of the problem and people like you who keep submitting to them are also part of the problem. |
I never told Gary Moser to trim cards and make millions. Meanwhile, I am struggling to make $5-$10 flipping a card. Yet I am supposed to stop submitting my raw cards to PSA because of what Gary Moser did? The soapbox mentality of some of you get old.
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In my opinion, I don't think it's reasonable or fair to expect people to take big hits to their livelihood in order to make a statement.
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The point is that 'we', the community, not the lawyers, the courts or the FBI, can collectively decide the outcome of this by exercising our ability to choose who we want to deal with and who we don't. It don't always agree with the reasoning or outcome, but this is happening everywhere we turn today. The press has even coined a term for it: 'Cancel Culture'. |
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I am sure Bobby who sells a lot of cards is a honest licensed tax paying dealer because he would never be a criminal. |
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I have nothing against you for submitting to PSA I don’t think you’re the problem one bit :-) My points in my previous post are direct, to the point, and exactly what it is. That’s all I don’t begrudge anyone. |
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The attacks directed at Bobby are ridiculous. There are only 3 grading companies and they're all part of this scandal. Until someone decides to start a new company they're all we have. Many collectors, myself included, aren't going to start only buying raw cards.
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I do believe that the large auction houses should do more research to identify potentially tainted cards and not rely solely on the slab. I also believe they should ban consignments from known card doctors and questionable submitters. I also believe (when a tainted card is outed) that they should reveal the names of the consignors... both to the Feds and publicly. These people need to be called out, similar to how auction houses publicly identify reneging bidders. Why they continue to protect criminal submitters/consignors is beyond me. |
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What's the difference, by the way? Selling slabbed card also perpetuates the system, keeps the cycle going. |
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At least at this point, it is my understanding there have been no arrests and again, zero _________ (im sure you can fill in the blank) against PSA on this issue. (again correct me if i am wrong) |
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Yes! If they stopped submitting to this particular enterprise, another more ethical competitor would inevitably surface. Sometimes you need to actually take a stand to make things better. I am sure there were quite a few honest employees at Enron who took a similar financial hit (to name just one other corrupt company). Sometimes temporary setbacks need to happen for the greater good to prevail. So my answer is a resounding YES. |
Cards that PWCC has sold over the last few years are starting to show up elsewhere for sale. Upon looking at sales history of a particular card REA has up for auction, it was last sold by PWCC. What are we going to do? Heck if I know. For now, not bid on any PWCC auctions. But what about others sold by PWCC that are filtering out elsewhere? Hopefully, the powers that be get on the moral bandwagon and be extra careful from now on - probably the best that can realistically be done at this point.
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PSA will never acknowledge their role in grading tens of thousands of altered cards . Their volume has never been higher. Why? Money #1 not Hobby. People are convinced cards in their holders are worth more altered or not, doesn’t matter.. How many altered cards reside in collectors collections that have been bought privately or submitted themselves....the possibilities are endless. PSA knows this will blow over....others will take the fall. I feel what you’re saying.....it makes total sense...this industry has never made sense logic loses out when the perception of money and greed are paramount, that’s all that matters to many...the bottom line. |
Gene Hackman, Dustin Hoffman, Robert Duvall, Jon Voight..
All I can do is buy the card and not the holder. I guess I could go collect Beatles records or something. Robert |
If you had to guess, what percentage of collectors do you think actually know about the scandal?
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someone paying at total $400 a year on 7 cards on ebay much less of a chance but yeah..it all comes down to the buyers......if people stop buying cards in certain holders..thats where the impetus is....not people submitting them or selling them....if no buyers...the rest will take care of itself. |
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A card is what it is, whether it is raw, in a PSA slab or in a penny sleeve. And that holds whether it is altered or not. I think we are now realizing that the PSA premium is not all that we (collectively) thought it was. |
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Thanks.... that is word-for-word what I was going to say. |
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A PSA entombed card can sell 100 times, increasing in value by 20% each time it sells - and PSA does not make a dime off of those transactions. Nada. Zilch. They are not like the government who taxes you on each transaction. |
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With that comes gun crime, B&E's, robberies and a whole host of other issues that just keeps snowballing over and over again. It might not be the proper analogy, but one should get the idea, I would think? :rolleyes: |
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They will be eating cat food during retirement is my guess because they wasted their entire life without a backbone and floated aimlessly through life like a spineless amoeba. Enjoy looking at your fake, made for slab cards, eating your cat food... |
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All I know is that in 1980, cards from 1906 1933, 1954 1955 etc were not in pristine condition...Almost EVER. Now you see made for slab mockeries all over the place. IT runs deep my friend.... and for a LONG TIME. Cards spinning in and out of those slabs being doctored along the way...ALL OF THEM PERIOD |
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