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clydepepper 07-17-2017 04:13 PM

Will a Colorado Rockie EVER be Elected to the Hall of Fame?
 
I have not studied all the away stats for Walker, Helton or any of the current players, but I guessing it would take some really impressive stats away from Denver to make it possible.

What's your opinion?

Also, why would any pitcher, draftee or free agent EVER want to pitch half his games there?

KCRfan1 07-17-2017 04:29 PM

Someone should get to the HALL from the Rockies.

I am not a believer in penalizing a player because of where they play.

Todd Helton should be given strong consideration, as should Larry Walker.

packs 07-17-2017 04:40 PM

IMO Larry Walker is a HOFer. Even in Colorado you don't hit 360 or better 3 years in a row by accident. I think he was a better player than Andre Dawson and Jim Rice too.

Peter_Spaeth 07-17-2017 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by packs (Post 1681857)
IMO Larry Walker is a HOFer. Even in Colorado you don't hit 360 or better 3 years in a row by accident. I think he was a better player than Andre Dawson and Jim Rice too.

His sabremetric numbers are pretty decent, based on these it would not be a crime certainly.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...alkela01.shtml

Interestingly he ranks ahead of Gwynn in JAWS, Gwynn does not hold up too well I guess because he didn't walk and he didn't hit for power.

I think he probably would have had a better chance with a few more years and a few higher lifetime numbers, he barely broke 2000 hits and didn't break 400 HR although obviously he was of a similar or better caliber than players who did.

ADD Also seems he missed more than his share of games due to injury keeping his counting stats down.

Probably condemned to the Hall of the Very Good along with guys like Jim Edmonds.

PowderedH2O 07-17-2017 06:33 PM

I agree with Peter. Walker was an amazing player, but a non-catcher position player that only has one season in which he played at least 144 games is going to have a hard time getting elected. Walker missed over 700 games in his career for various reasons.

With Helton, his road numbers are just not that great. At home he is Ted Williams, and on the road he is Willie Horton. Without Helton ever having played elsewhere, we will never know exactly where he should fall on the list. He could get in, but somehow I doubt it.

I think the Rockies HOFer is going to be someone that puts up all-star caliber numbers on the road. Nolan Arenado?

KCRfan1 07-17-2017 07:04 PM

Helton posted good road numbers. Let's not under sell him.

D. Bergin 07-17-2017 08:05 PM

Yeah, with a quick look, I noticed the difference between Helton and Walkers Home/Road splits were nearly identical with each other.

Walker however did spend his first 5 full seasons playing in Montreal, so I don't know how much it skews things for him on his overall lifetime splits.

It does seem odd that two guys with lifetime OPS rates of around .950 who had no allegations of steroid use, will likely not sniff the HOF. That's a career season for most star caliber players, let alone a career.

clydepepper 07-17-2017 10:40 PM

Great Discussion, Guys! Just what I was looking for.


Now for the Pitching question:

Pretend you are the agent for a very high draft pick just chosen by Colorado.

Do you have him play for the St. Paul Saints for a year ala J.D. Drew?


or...

Pretend you are the agent for one of the best pitchers in Baseball who just became a free agent and Colorado is offering BY FAR the best deal.

Do you remind your client of Mike Hampton, etc. or tell him you will take half your normal fee if he signs elsewhere?


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KCRfan1 07-17-2017 11:05 PM

Pitchers are such a crap shoot in the draft.

I would almost draft bats, and chase arms in FA. At least then they would have gotten TJ surgery out of the way, or they have held up and won't need it.

SP

If I'm the Rockies, I want ground ball specialists and off speed masters. Those 95 mph fastballs will eventually get hit and go a long ways.

RP

I want heaters in my pen though. That fast ball is going to be nasty after facing those SP.

bravos4evr 07-18-2017 04:34 AM

I think Walker gets in. Maybe not on a ballot, but he will be one of the first Vet committee guys put in. He was too good for too long and the best Rockie probably ever.


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