Originally Posted by 7nohitter (Post 1370770)

Hm, Cambridge is 20 minutes from me...

Originally Posted by autocentral (Post 1370767)

Hey guys,

I thought I would share my story of how I lost $425 and an Ebay buyer:pickle-us got a refund as well as got my 1986 Fleer Basketball GAI 9 Pack. I'm still bitter and still hesitate to sell on ebay because of this experience, which happened at the end of 2012.

Everything at first was going great. Buyer paid $425 within a day of purchase and I shipped out via one-day shipping priority USPS mail. The only thing I failed to put on the item was signature confirmation (dumb mistake on my part because I thought with paying so much for shipping the carrier would make sure it was important, young mistake I guess). The buyer knew ebay protocol and with no proof the item was delivered to him he claimed the day he received the item that he never got it. He filed and claim. I talked it over with ebay and they told me I'd never win the case against him even though he might have the item. I was forced to refund him the money. After all this he has the nerve to give me a positive feedback on ebay "Never Got My Item, But The Seller Was Very Nice!!!" A month later he deleted his ebay account (fishy right). I emailed paypal/ebay right away and they told me they couldn't do anything.

Just in case you need more on the buyer, his name is Samuel Eitan Cohen. Address listed is:
Eitan Cohen


Another name that was included with the buyer was:
Mr. Damien Proctor


I'm not one to post negative stuff about anyone. But this is just a lesson to be more careful how you ship stuff (even if you ship thousands of packages without a problem). Just shows you how some people can beat the system. I worked hard for that cash (I'm only 21 now, was 18 at the time), pretty much my first big card purchase and it went sour. But I guess it all works out in the long run. Thought I'd share just in case anyone stumbles across someone like this.

Thanks,
-Nick

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set (Post 1370842)

Wait a minute! You had better double check with the Post Office. All packages have some sort of tracking automatically! I should know, I deliver hundreds of packages everyday and 99.99 percent have some sort of tracking. All packages have to be scanned into the system for the Post Office's protection too! This is from the day the package is sent, to it run through the system, to it's arrival at the unit, to its departure to the street, right to its delivery. If you still have your receipt, double check to see if there is a confirmation number on there. Or better, post a scan of the receipt so I can see it. I find it hard to believe the Post Office just delivered the package without any documentation of its journey. Please let me know and update me.

Also, did you check with the Post Office with your receipt in hand? Or did you just tend to it internally with EBay?

Tom

Originally Posted by Donscards (Post 1370844)

Sam Cohen got me too---quite a flim flam artist he is---he also used the other name (Damien Proctor) where I received the paypal payment from---he backed out of a deal with me for many 1986 fleer packs---and then the payment went back to Procto---he is a real con man--quite a smooth talker, but all bull. I hope ebay kicked him off.

Originally Posted by autocentral (Post 1370855)

There was a tracking number and the online delivery said the package was delivered but the problem was there was no signature confirmation.

-Nick

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass (Post 1370870)

I had a 2 family on 5th street

kendall sq tech neighborhood nowadays

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set (Post 1370863)

Did you tell EBay that the package was delivered and that its delivery was documented by the Postal Service? This should of gotten you off the hook. You did everything on your end to complete the transaction. You posted the package and it was delivered. What if the package had been stolen from his doorstep? Would you then still be blamed? All you had to do was get the package to its destination. You did this. It is up to the buyer if there is anything outside of the normal delivery fees, like Express or signature required, etc,. Not you. Did you know about Restricted Delivery?

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set (Post 1370863)

Did you tell EBay that the package was delivered and that its delivery was documented by the Postal Service? This should of gotten you off the hook. You did everything on your end to complete the transaction. You posted the package and it was delivered. What if the package had been stolen from his doorstep? Would you then still be blamed? All you had to do was get the package to its destination. You did this. It is up to the buyer if there is anything outside of the normal delivery fees, like Express or signature required, etc,. Not you. Did you know about Restricted Delivery?

Originally Posted by Donscards (Post 1370907)

On cards or items over $250, you have to have signature confirmation, tracking will not help---ebay and paypal require a signature or you will lose your case unless they have a signature---Delivery confirmation doesnt count with tracking---you need the signature, that is why they lost the case along with many other ebay sellers---always use signature confirmation if you want to protect yourself from scammers.

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set (Post 1370909)

I don't agree. Anyone can sign for a delivery confirmation. Husbands signs for wife, parent signs for child, etc.. There are many times someone signs the name on the package and not their own name. Delivery confirmation does NOT prove a package was delivered to the person it was destined for.

For example, my mother signs my name to a package for me. I say I didn't get it is not my handwriting on the pink slip. Now what, you have to pay?


Now Restricted Delivery is another thing. In that case, ONLY the person who the package is destined for can sign for it and they need proper Identification to do so.

Ebay's case is very weak (if indeed they ever had a case) and certainly did not protect the seller here. What a crock!

Originally Posted by Donscards (Post 1370916)

What I am saying it that Ebay and Paypal need signature confirmation on any item over $250---if you dont get the signature, they will side with the buyer on all cases---it has to be signature confirmation---Delivery confirmation doesnt cut it with ebay , they want the signature.

Originally Posted by abothebear (Post 1370924)

yes, but it does take the responsibility off of the seller. No matter who signs, a signature act shifts the responsibility for the destination of the package to the signer and/or the one recording the signature. maybe?

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set (Post 1370938)

So, if I sent you a package with delivery confirmation and someone else signs for it with your name, then steals it, you don't get the package, I have to pay for it?

Originally Posted by Exhibitman (Post 1371053)

It is not about whether the buyer gets the item it is about PayPal policies. If you want to be covered by the PayPal seller protections for an item over the arbitrary value limit it sets you have to send priority with delivery and signature confirmations. Do that and if the buyer says it never arrived you won't have to pay. Don't do it and you lose automatically. Not really complicated.

Originally Posted by Sean1125 (Post 1371040)

Theoretically - yes. I would hope no stranger is sitting inside your house who is able to sign your name or you might have larger problems than a missing package.

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set (Post 1371069)

Who says it has to be a stranger? It could be a family member. I have seen many family members at each other's throats. It could also be a "friend". Who says they have to be inside the house? There are many intangibles working here.

Originally Posted by Donscards (Post 1371127)

Tom You wont give up here , the bottom line with Ebay and Paypal, you have to get a signature, without it, you will lose any case the buyer opens against you.

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9 (Post 1371267)

Buy insurance. Its should be automatic for those to sign for the package.

Originally Posted by DHogan (Post 1370900)

Just about all those houses in that area have been renovated. They all look very small from the outside.

Originally Posted by Donscards (Post 1371127)

Tom You wont give up here , the bottom line with Ebay and Paypal, you have to get a signature, without it, you will lose any case the buyer opens against you.