OT but front page worthy Jordan card ebay
 

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Nothing else!

There has been a $750,000 bid retraction, a $200,000 bid retraction and a $176,000 bid retraction -- all from different bidders. In addition, a $500,000 bid from a seller with "0" feedback was canceled. :eek:

Seems like a tough break for the buyer trying to make his first buy on eBay with a $500,000 bid.

The card is altered. LOL. There are 10 made not 1. It's not even close to a rookie. I DON'T GET IT.

I was just going to post about this... Crazy!! I fail to see the logic in this. I know there's only 10 but what would a PSA 9 or 10 go for?? I'll stick to vintage.

This!!
 

A fool and his money..........

hi res scans likely have something to do with the spirited bidding

:D

That is just pure insanity.

Such a good quote.

Why is this selling for $599,000 when cards from the same series with the same hype are selling for $3500.

Not to impose any logical reasoning into the analysis.

I put in a snipe of 750K but I'm drawing the line not one penny more.

So those bidders will never bid on PWCC auctions ever again right?

Jordan rules.

How many people can drop a cool half mil on a card? One card.

Out of all the people on this message board how many do you think there are? Less than 10?

How is this even close to real? To think it would even be worth 100k is insanity. 1996? I mean. Ok. I bought cards in packs. The no name frank thomas isn’t even close to that price or any other big card at the time.

Donruss Elite cards, 89 upper deck promo cards. Can anyone name any other legendary cards with low pop numbers.. This is just ridiculous.

...and now it's ended. Error in the listing.:rolleyes:

PWCC pulled it to relist Wednesday on a 7-day auction with pre-approved bidders. They couldn't see this result coming?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Metal-...Y0u7:rk:1:pf:0

And even with the pre approved bidder list we already have a retraction.

I don't collect modern basketball cards, but have heard of these. Not sure why they're so popular but they all go for crazy money relative to other issues from the same time period.

I would rather have the PSA 10 Diana Taurasi rookie than this card. I think the price is beyond crazy. Hold the card for ten years and you will probably lose 95+% of your investment.

It's dirt cheap compared to where the first auction was after a day.

The set has been very popular for a while now. A modern holy grail. I would place a bet on the under at even a 25% decline in 10 years. 95% wont happen.

That was me. Once you guys outed it I had no chance:p

Meh. Wilt was better.

A Skybox chase card near the end of Jordan’s career; sounds like beanie babies to me. Not to mentioned that it couldn’t get a number grade. Needless to say, I won’t be bidding.

The PMG are the cards that everyone wants and the green ones are exponentially more. There are 10 of these - less than most other rare cards out there. So the sky’s the limit in terms of what the next one sells for. But if history is any judge - it will be more than this one. And the one after that will be more.

But I can't get past the fact that it's altered. So what does a 8, 9 or 10 go for? Exponentially more???

"Despite the PSA Auth assessment this example is easily among the finest PMG Green MJ's in the world "

Do the writers ever read their own stuff and wonder what the ___ they were thinking? They should.

LOL my sentiments as well

Doesn't even matter. They never come up for sale.

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Only 10 were made. I'd be surprised if the grade matters as much as it does on most cards.

Honestly I’m not surprised if this card eventually ends up selling for $750k. This is the holy grail for basketball collectors. 90s insert basketball cards go for big money and the Precious Metal Gems Green is the best of the best. Not saying I would ever spend that kind of money but you can always pick up a Jordan rookie, but you can’t pick one of those any day. I believe only 3 have surfaced.

I don't think people understand or know about these cards or their scarcity. and at this point, this card is kind of like a Mantle rookie card. no matter what the grade, even altered, will go for a higher than normal amount vs another regular card in the same grade. especially one like this, that has higher PSA grade eye appeal.

Agreed, most net54 members don’t know about the significance of this card but on the modern card forums like Blowout or Freedomcardboard this card is the equivalet of a T206 Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb back or a new Doyle error surfacing. This card is the most significant 90s cards across all sports. 90s inserts, especially basketball, and somewhat baseball, can go for big money. 90s might have been a junk wax era but in the mid to late 90s, rare inserts are highly collectable for people now in their 20’s-40’s.

So they took an abundant base card and made a few of them green? Sorry not impressed.

Lmao. I was thinking the exact same thing. So what. It’s green and there’s only a handful that exist. There are only a handful (well, slightly more than a handful) of M101 Ruth rookies too. I’d buy the Ruth if I spent that kind of money on one card. Just saying.

A fool and his money are soon separated

So they made a lot of Red Cobb's but only a few Drum...Impressed?

Jordan cards aren't what I choose to collect, either. But I don't agree with the "fool and his money..." opinion. I don't even know a whole lot about modern inserts, but I know that card is a holy grail for modern collectors/Jordan collectors just as much as any pre-war white whale is to people on here.

IMO, I can't see any way that card goes down 95 percent in 10 years. It is an insanely rare Jordan card; those don't crash in value.

But why is it a grail? There are one of ones, this is one of 10. I wouldn't make fun of someone for buying it (mainly because they obviously have enough money to not give a crap about my opinion lol) but that doesn't mean I get it.

I would not use the word significant. Impressive, maybe. How much this card will sell for is impressive. A card does not become significant because of the sale prices. They become significant for other factors.

A t206 is a significant card because its part of a set that changed the card world and collecting. This mid ninties Jordan is not even close to that significant.

A Donruss elite card or a 1992 topps gold card is more significant than this Jordan. The Brian Taylor card.

Is it any different than a tobacco card with a different back?

as the other poster said, there are some really tough 90s insert cards out there, very scare that are not widely known.
Cool card, hope the seller got his money.

Plus, anything Jordan is red hot.

I know plenty of people that would say the same about any early baseball card that is being said about this Green Jordan. Heck, I married one of them.

Not that I was even aware of this card or it's significance.

More so than with the Jordans, unless unbeknownst to me few Drums were produced for the express purpose of creating a collectible in short supply. To me, limited production modern insert cards are all artificially scarce.

So every short print Jordan (or LaBron now) chase card becomes significant and will sell for six figures? Are you listening to yourself?

Anything except my 1985 Gatorade BGS 9 that I can't give away.

Only the metallic green ones, bro.

Anything with Jordan on the Bulls is on fire. From what I understand, he stopped licensing his image on the Bulls in 2010. His stuff with the Wizards isnt as popular. Like his gatorade bgs 9 :)
That card is tough tough tough. I wouldn't drop that sort of cake on it, but that doesnt make it significant. Cool card nonetheless.

Not Jordan but I cant wait to see what a Mirror Gold Jeter PSA 10 fetches after the HOF voting.

Gatorade is a 1985 Bulls card I don't follow.

It's not even signed!

I'm willing to bet that the $3.50 bidder has a snipe placed.

Every time something goes for huge money that isn't a prewar card there always a few around here that seem bitter, and there are comments criticizing someone for how he spends his money. Stuff like this is good for the hobby, even if it's not what you collect.

I did a quick Google search and found this article. It's from 2012, but will give a little background on why this set became so popular

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...us-metal-gems/

That’s actually a damn good point. I can envision a group of kids showing off their T206’s back in 1911 or so. One kid shows off a red Piedmont Cobb and says, “I’ll sell this one for a nickel.” A deal goes down and the card changes owners. Another youngster whips out his red Cobb, only this one has “Ty Cobb” on the back rather than Piedmont. “I’ll let this baby go for a quarter.” The other boys laugh and call him crazy. “But it’s rare,” explains the proud Cobb/Cobb owner. “It’s not rare, idiot. Looks just like mine just with a different back.” No deal goes down, so the kid tucks it away somewhere, forgets about it, then finds it 80 years later... and becomes a VERY rich old man.

This to me is just illustrative of how contradictory and nuts dealers can be with how they try to put spins on grading. For most, it's "we're not professional graders, so we stand behind the opinion of a trusted 3rd party authenticator like PSA..." But for this one it's more like "Who are you going to trust PSA? Listen to us. This is one of the finest cards you will ever see despite the fact that it is AA."

What. Ever.

I haven't read every post so I may have missed something, but why did it get the Altered? Is it recolored somewhere?

Sounds like PSA suspects it's trimmed on the right edge. Of course everyone is saying Authentic doesn't matter. If that was true why trim it?

My guess is that someone did this long ago. These cards were very susceptible to chipping and the person who originally had it probably did that to clean it up for sale - back when it was much less and grading wasn’t as important. Fast forward several years and it is now “authentic”. However if the card has strong eye appeal and is rare enough it really doesn’t matter. Kind of like the Gretzky Honus. It may be trimmed but it’s still the best one out there and it will keep selling for more every time it comes up. Occasionally you will see trimmed Jeter rookies where someone tried to clean up a chipped edge.

hey guys..it's all cardboard :rolleyes:

Vintage only collectors wear blinders

Modern only collectors have not had their bubble pop yet to realize that they are in a super bubble of cosmic porpotions.

I find it humorous how bunches of modern collectors are coming here on a strictly vintage site trying to tell us what we should think. Kind of like how people go on missionary trip to the Middle East trying to sell Christianity it usually does not end well For them!

Most of these modern collectors (with whom I happen to agree) have been on this vintage site for years. Which begs the question....why do so many modern collectors have a healthy respect for vintage while many vintage collectors can't return the favor?

I grew up collecting both modern and vintage. The "bubble pop" myth has been bandied about since the mid-80s.

Exactly

I collect both
Just recently jumped into the modern market - which is bigger than most realize

but here is a nice card I own

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The modern hobby absolutely dwarfs the vintage/pre-war segment. This particular subset has throngs of national/international bidders. Think anyone anyone in Taiwan cares about Ty Cobb or Cap Anson?

Acuna!!!!

You know it baby!!

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I can’t speak for everyone only myself I mainly collect vintage...some cards from the 50s 60s 70s but not much modern stuff...That is my preference and that is why I frequent this vintage board. If I wanted to have modern shiny stuff presented to me I would frequent such a board

+1 I laughed when I read that comment. I also collect both modern
and vintage. Got Ruth, Cochrane, Simmons, etc. Modern have Griffey, Trout, Acuna etc......

I always wonder if the reason some vintage collectors say modern is a bubble or
junk is because they worry as years go by less and less collectors want some
of the stuff in their arsenal. It happened with stamps.

did someone say Acuna!

http://photos.imageevent.com/aconte/...on/img715a.jpg

Edited: Not to upset too many on a pre-war board but here is a Cobb I picked up recently. Was broken up from an REA lot.

http://photos.imageevent.com/aconte/...on/img694a.jpg

My newest card is the unsigned one.

That is a tough card Peter - better not get stuck with it when the bubble pops!:)

This is where I have been for all my adult years of collecting. I prefer something that is rare because it's evolved that way over time, and we really don't know how many there are. Bottom line for me is I cannot go into the local 7-11 and hope to find anything I'd enjoy.
Production limits to create scarcity don't do anything for me. Bradford Exchange plates come to mind from back when I got back into collecting. It didn't make sense to me then, and it still doesn't today.

I have to buy into this. While there are not a lot of card shows around here, whenever I go to one I am always amazed at how much “shiny stuff” there is, and how little vintage there is. And it’s not just kids buying the shiny stuff. I really don’t even look at those tables, but those guys must be moving product because they are always back.
As my wife says to me when we disagree on something we might discuss, “It’s not right or wrong, it’s just different.”

Here’s another reason I’m not much into modern stuff. You cannot read their signatures. I’ve posted about this pet peeve many of mine times in the Autograph section of this forum.
Again, it’s not right or wrong, it’s just different.

I had to add this. It just made me laugh!!! Well done Pete.

Enough whining from modern collectors. Put the hanky down and stop crying. I'll put the violin away.

Collect what you like. And don't give a sh*t what others think. Collect humels with little girls twirling umbrellas if that's your thing.

Problem with modern cards is old farts like me can name 250 players since 1970 that "smart guys" were hoarding and eventually their wives had to beg someone to come to the house to throw them away. You know which players I'm talking about. Yeah, virtually every can't miss guy in the modern era. Can you catch lightning in a bottle? Sure, there are a few Trout cards worth big bucks. Usually because they are some color variation or something else. But many many many people have spent big bucks hoarding modern cards that proved worthless. Hell, some of them have even written books about them.

Saying modern cards are a sound investment is like saying penny stocks are a good investment. Sure 1 our of every 10,000 turn into a great investment. And the guy who cleans up will make a big stink about it forever. I'll stick with Babe Ruth. You can have Acuna.

Bob,

I agree on the signatures being ineligible today. I bought this card more
for the image but I guess that could be considered dumb when I could have
just found one of a thousand others at a fraction of the price.

Most of my vintage autos are from players of the 1950s that I got at shows
or through the mail. Their sigs are so much better!

If your point is that utility / enjoyment from sports cards comes only from them eventually panning out as investments, then it would seem valid. Certainly for someone spending well into the six-figure range for a card produced in the 1990's, that would seem to be a concern. But I would argue (not that I do much of this myself..) that some collectors can get the same enjoyement out of their worthless junk-era cards as I do my vintage material - if they have a connection to the player or some type of nostalgia related to the cards comes into play. If it's something besides the cold hard cash aspect of cards as a potential - indeed as evidenced by the types of discussion that goes on in these forums - it's that the cards themselves are intrensically enjoyable and worth collecting. I mean besides that what is the value of a cool card that you want to show off besides the fact that it provides a dopamine hit?

We all have different or at least varied if similar reasons for why we collect. I think things can be discussed and perceived as outlandish without getting down to a fight about respect between types of collectors and who collects what. Personally I could care less about 99% of cards that are made today, but I don't disparage those who do.

Moncada

If he starts hitting again like he is capable of, I'll be just fine.

The problem I see with the modern stuff, especially the manufactured rarity of some cards, is that the people collecting it today and spending big bucks on it probably weren't around and collecting in the early 1990's. Buying shiny stuff back then (while looking for chase and insert cards) was an obsession with some people and the big companies took advantage of it and overproduces the product. When the air went out of the bubble MANY people were left holding either worthless cards or cards that were valued WAAAAY less than what people had paid for them. This upset a LOT of people and those people left the hobby because of it. Also, some of the big companies went out of business.

Meanwhile, the older cards may have hit some bumps along the way but they continued to hold their value pretty well and the people collecting them didn't get burned and lose interest in collecting them.

It seems the new shiny stuff hasn't had it's bubble burst yet and the people collecting it hasn't felt the sting of holding cards with vanishing profits.....

David