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seanofjapan 04-10-2018 01:03 AM

Mark McGwire: I Still Would Have Hit 70 HRs Without PEDs
 
"Of course not all of them in the same season" continued McGwire "but over the course of 2 or 3 seasons I definitely would have hit those 70 home runs without PEDs, not a doubt in my mind."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...cid=spartanntp

Hxcmilkshake 04-10-2018 08:39 AM

Buuuuut you didnt. So theres that.

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packs 04-10-2018 10:18 AM

Haha the record isn't set by hitting more than 61 home runs across 2 or 3 seasons. Why even comment at all?

Gobucsmagic74 04-10-2018 10:33 AM

I don't see the quote posted anywhere in the article?

D. Bergin 04-10-2018 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1766188)
Haha the record isn't set by hitting more than 61 home runs across 2 or 3 seasons. Why even comment at all?


The OP was joking. ;)

D. Bergin 04-10-2018 11:02 AM

I don't hate McGwire. Baseball was totally ignorant to the performance benefits of HGH, which to my understanding is not as harmful to the body as many of the steroids that were out then.

If I had an injury, I would not turn down the offer of HGH to help heal my body.

That said, it certainly was a performance enhancer for him. 6 foot 5 inch 1st Basemen don't have a history of coming back from debilitating back injuries like he suffered through for a few seasons in Oakland, bigger and stronger and more flexible then ever before.

packs 04-10-2018 11:11 AM

Is there really any doubt he cheated his entire career?

Peter_Spaeth 04-10-2018 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1766205)
Is there really any doubt he cheated his entire career?

My assumption is that he and Canseco started early. I have my doubts that 49 HR rookie season or whatever it was, was "natural."

packs 04-10-2018 12:01 PM

At least Judge broke his bogus record.

pokerplyr80 04-10-2018 06:38 PM

Steroids weren't even banned in baseball in 1987. I don't believe the cream he admitted to using later was either, although I could be wrong about that. And even though MLB banned steroids in 91 they didn't start testing for them until 2003. Personally I don't think these guys should be black balled now when the league didn't care while this was going on.

seanofjapan 04-10-2018 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74 (Post 1766189)
I don't see the quote posted anywhere in the article?

I was just finishing McGwire's thought for him. :)

I don't really have anything against McGwire, but making statements like this don't really make him look good.

packs 04-11-2018 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1766316)
Steroids weren't even banned in baseball in 1987. I don't believe the cream he admitted to using later was either, although I could be wrong about that. And even though MLB banned steroids in 91 they didn't start testing for them until 2003. Personally I don't think these guys should be black balled now when the league didn't care while this was going on.

Guys that cheated should accept they cheated and were only able to play at the level they played at because they were cheating too. They shouldn't attempt to rewrite history decades after the fact. That's what costs them the respect of the people around them.

silvor 04-11-2018 10:13 AM

There's plenty of dead wrestlers that have felt more effects of HGH than steroids. I know Superstar Graham said HGH was much more harmful than steroids.

While both HGH and steroids in small doses will help you recover quicker, there's no way McGwire and Bonds took small doses.

rats60 04-11-2018 12:02 PM

Steroids were banned in 1971 along with any other illegal drugs or prescription drugs without a valid prescription. Some of what McGwire used weren't banned until the 2000s, but he has admitted to taking banned substances starting in 1989-1990.

pokerplyr80 04-11-2018 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1766395)
Guys that cheated should accept they cheated and were only able to play at the level they played at because they were cheating too. They shouldn't attempt to rewrite history decades after the fact. That's what costs them the respect of the people around them.

That may be true, but MLB knew what was going on and chose to ignore it. It took 12 years after they "banned" steroids to even attempt to test for them. 01 was a historic season and great for ratings. They used these guys to win fans back after the strike. And now they want to keep them out of the hall. That's the part I have a problem with.

packs 04-11-2018 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80 (Post 1766478)
That may be true, but MLB knew what was going on and chose to ignore it. It took 12 years after they "banned" steroids to even attempt to test for them. 01 was a historic season and great for ratings. They used these guys to win fans back after the strike. And now they want to keep them out of the hall. That's the part I have a problem with.

The Hall of Fame is not administered by MLB, so MLB is not keeping anyone out of it.

rats60 04-11-2018 04:44 PM

MLB wanted to test for steroids in the early 90s, but the player's union blocked them. It took the fans in the early 2000s wanting testing to get the union to accept it.

Hxcmilkshake 04-11-2018 05:42 PM

If Seligs in the hall, all the cheating players also belong

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irishdenny 04-11-2018 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1766395)
Guys that cheated should accept they cheated and were only able to play at the level they played at because they were cheating too. They shouldn't attempt to rewrite history decades after the fact. That's what costs them the respect of the people around them.

"Warmest Regards",

Bud Selig :)

RedsFan1941 04-11-2018 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake (Post 1766533)
If Seligs in the hall, all the cheating players also belong

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clydepepper 04-14-2018 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1766205)
Is there really any doubt he cheated his entire career?


I believe that his rookie season was 100% legit. He was big, but not brawny and always had the perfect uppercut Homerun swing.

I also believe that he started 'juicing' in 1995 and that, at least initially, it was just to recover from two injury-shortened seasons.

After that, of course, the totals became surreal...and, with Sosa, Palmeiro, A-Rod and Bonds help...so did the 'official' baseball record books - which I NEVER check anymore.

All Hail Mr. Roger Maris & Mr. Henry Aaron...the TRUE record holders.

I was most offended by the fact that McGwire blatantly lied to the Maris familys' faces while celebrating his temporary record.


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