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Posted By: <b>TONY</b><p>Take about misinformation<br />I went to my 1st hobby show back in 1972 & recall several hobby veterans discussing that only 50-60 T-206 honus wagner cards were known to the hobby.....<br /><br />Yet 34 yrs later I hear 50-60 wagners exist......<br /><br />You mean to tell me not ONE new Wagner has been discovered since then?<br /><br />Why can't our hobby keep track of such things in a better fashion......<br /><br />Yes pop reports help, but obviously not all key cards have been graded or ever will be graded<br /><br />Anyone have a idea of how many Wagners do exist today?<br /><br />Just curious....<br /><br />Tony Galovich

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>back when I was more active in the 80s, I knew a person that said he could confirm the existance of 47 Wagners and that there were most likely more out there that he didn't know about. I think the Piedmont Wagner is a recent addition (after 1972). Even if 5 new Wagners were found in that time, it wouldn't seriously change the estimate of 50-60.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: <b>DJ</b><p>The Wagner wouldn't be the Wagner if three-four "new" examples showed up in the hobby every single year. If new cards were discovered this frequently, the Wagner would most certainly lose it's magic and it's value wouldn't increase as it has over the years.<br /><br />I think it will be very difficult to get some collectors to admit they have one in order to run some kind of census. A lot of collectors are very private about what they own and therefore what we have is simply an estimate at around sixty, or a tad over. <br /><br />DJ

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>I remember a few years ago, the state of West Virginia sold off the contents of some unclaimed safety deposit boxes. One of them had a pretty rough T206 Wagner. I can't swear to any thing much less this story. This could be just a rumor.

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Posted By: <b>Corey R. Shanus</b><p>Part of the mystique of the card to me is how few are in such condition that the only serious defect is corner rounding. I am aware of perhaps ten in such condition.

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>I would assume there are alot more than 50. I know if I had one I would keep it under wraps until I was ready to sell. There more that surface, then the better chance the value could possibly drop. I am sure there are alot more than we know about.<br /><br /><br />Jason

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p><br />The Piedmont one that Mastro sold a few years ago was from the Charles Bray collection. Since he was a very prominent collector, I don't think that would qualify as a new find among Wagners. The fact that it had a Piedmont back may have been a new revelation however. <br /><br />I think it is virtually impossible to count these for obvious reasons. I have only heard of one or two legitimate new discoveries to the hobby in the past 10-15 years. They just don't come up that often. So if there have been five or six new discoveries in the past 30 years, that would up the estimate to 55-65 roughly (assuming the earlier estimate was accurate). No offense intended, but somebody telling a teenager (at the time) that they know where 47 of them are should be taken with a grain of salt. I wouldn't consider it a fact. I doubt anybody could accurately account for that many of them today.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>and how many Orange Border Matty's are there?<br /><br />more scarce than honus <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> --- sorry for taking this in a different topic direction, I don't mean to change the subject. Its just whenever I read about a "scarce" card, my thoughts always go to this one (maybe I should call HBO)...<br /><br /><img src="http://www.internetville.com/images/albums/userpics/10001/normal_mattyOrange.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Jim, I was not a teenager at the time and the person that told this is one of the few people in this hobby whose reputation is pretty much beyond reproach. I have no doubt that at the time, he knew exactly where 47 different Wagners were. <br /><br />Jay<br><br>A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>The Orange Border Matty is just one of thousands of cards that are Rarer than the T206 Wagner. It doesnt mean is has anywhere near the value. The T206 Wagner is the most sought after card from the most sought after set. And if you want the set you need a Wagner. <br /><br />For example, among others, Every single card from these sets is rarer than the T206 Wagner, (short list off top of my head) N167, N175, N321, N333, N338, N370, N690, T4, T208, T209-1, T209-2, T211, T212-1, T213-3, T214, T215-1, T215-2, T215 Pirate, T216-1, T216-2, T216-3, T217, Derby E90-3, E92-3, E92-4, E97 B&W, E99, E104, E105, E107, E222, E223, E225, Orange Border, Base-Ball Bats, J=K, Darby, All Star Baseball, W511, W519-1-2, W517-2, W553, D303-2, D310, D380, D380-1, Cresent, Holland, Honey Boy, Hughes, PCL Exhibits, 1949 PCL Bowman, Gilmartin, Western Playground, Big Eater, Worch, Pebble Beach, H801-7, and a few dozen more....

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>The funny thing is, the T206 Wagner may be right at the top among the most plentiful of all vintage Wagner cards. Considering about 75 are known, how many other sets have that many survivors? Maybe E95, perhaps a couple of other E issues, but the majority of sets likely have even less available. How many Wagners have survived in E107, E103, E94, E90-2, etc.? It's the classic example of a reasonable supply but an insatiable demand.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>A true credit to the hobby! Very cool to see a listing of cards scarcer than wagner.<br /><br />I didn't mean to imply the orange matty should ever, would ever, or could ever approach the value of a wagner (or anywhere close to it).<br /><br />For ego alone (at least for me)... I would be very proud/excited to have the Wagner. It is 'the' symbol of the hobby... so it would be cool to actually have one and be able to brag about it. <br /><br />Truth be told though... <br />If it wasn't told to me that the Wagner was scarce, and I didn't know it was so revered by others.... I wouldn't be that interested in it myself. And, as a matty collector... I get more personal enjoyment out of the Orange Matty card.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>....are out there....and does anyone really care ? Chicago Transit Authority<br />circa late '60's......Oops, they were talking about "Time".<br /><br />But, we are talking about T206 Wagners.<br /><br />Jim B......as much as I have to "grit my teeth".....I have to come to JayB's<br />defense.<br /><br />Back in the late '70s at the Willow Grove Show veteran Philadelphia collector Irv<br /> Lerner and I think it was Bill Heitman were at Lerner's table comparing notes and<br /> they had a pretty accurate handle of all the known Wagner's in the hobby then<br /> and who had them.<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>Anybody have the Pop Reports from the 3 major grading houses on the Wagners? It would be interesting to note exactly how many of these are out there already graded.<br />RayB

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>also remember in the late 70's a wagner was "only" worth maybe $1000-$5000 and how many people were into paying that much for a baseball card?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>With all due respect even back in the 70's if there were 47 known I would venture to guess there were (and still are) several unknown..If by todays exact account there are 60 known then I don't think 15 more would be stretching it ?? The more I am in the hobby the more I see stuff I never thought I would see......best regards

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Posted By: <b>sagard</b><p>It appears that PSA has graded 25 Wagners and has holdered a couple as "authentic", but those don't show up in the pop reports.<br /><br />SGC has graded three. GAI may have a couple as well.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>ScottIngold</b><p>In the early 80's.. Like 82 through 85. My father and i used to go to a shop in Nyack N.Y. This was a small store above an antique store run by a gent who had to be in his 60's at the time. Since we were regulars and developed a relationship with him ( through my dad spending $ of course ). One day he brings out a Wagner and Cobb with Cobb back. Now that i think of it. Was the Cobb even considered a rarity than ?........ Ted ????<br /><br /><br /><br />My point being he had some of the Wagner reprints on display in the store, so i do believe his was real. But if he had one. How many more could be out there in collections like his?

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>LEON<br /><br />Please don't mis-understand my comments on prior post here. I was just trying to<br /> confirm what JayB had said in an earlier post on this Thread.<br /><br />I wasn't stating, factually, that only 47 Wagner cards were the exact count back<br /> then.....I firmly believe in the "1/3 factor" in all aspects everyday life.<br /><br />If Irv Lerner (who has continuously been in the hobby since the 1940's) says he<br />can account for 47 Wagner's back in the late '70s (or early '80s), then I take<br /> half that number (23) and add it to 47 and arrive at approx. "70 cards".<br /><br />That would be my educated guess as of then. And, this figure is pretty consistent<br />with most estimates.<br /><br />Additionally, we know of at least two more Wagner's (the Gretzy-Gidwitz-etc. card),<br /> and the one Barry Sloate acquired, both surfacing in the mid-80's. And, I'm sure some<br />others will chime in with a few more.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Sounds like a good rule of thumb. I think our guesstimates are pretty close...but I only have about 10 yrs of an addiction to base my thinking on...Some of you guys have more experience than I am old <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> (and I ain't young).....

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Barry's last post raises a point I've always wondered about -- exactly how many Wagner's are there that AREN'T rarer than the T206? I'd assume that the Cracker Jack and M116 are more common than the T206. And the E95 and Colgans Chips as well. But the guy just doesn't have many cards, and most of them are rare. I have his M110 Sporting Life Cabinet, an E125 American Caramel, and a D381 Fleischman's. I assume all of these are rarer than the T206, though I have no illusions about their value. Others that have to be more rare than the T206 are the T5 Pinkerton, the T216s, E103, E107, W600, JuJu Drum, and Jones, Keyser cabinet.

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Posted By: <b>Zach Rice</b><p>Here are a few more than are more to add to Paul's list:<br />E224 type one and two<br />Voskamp's Coffee<br />Orange Borders <br />Allegheny<br />E125<br />E271 <br />M131<br />E300

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I'd love to see who has the lastest type collection of Wagner cards. I'd be surprised if someone has more than half the available cards.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>A good friend will come bail you out of jail. A true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn, that was fun."

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>How would the group rate the E90-2 Wagner in scarcity compared to the T206?

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>I do not believe the e90-2 wagner to be as few in # as the t206. but since I have one I wish it were! just my humble opinion.<br /><br />pete in mn

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Posted By: <b>Brett</b><p>I was trying to have pictures saved on the computer of every t206 wagner that is known. So far i have 17 or 18. <br /><br />post pics of those wagners !

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>I have not been collecting as long as some on this board, but there seem to be a lot of e90-2 wagners around. They seem to come in batches. There has been one in every other auction in the past year and I must have seen 4-5 of them at the national alone. I don't know if there are more than 60-70, but there seem to be more of the e90-2 than other caramels such as crofts, e94, e98, e101, e102, e103, e104, e105, e106. I have seen more e90-2s than e90-1s.<br /><br />I am sure that the recent prices of the e90-2s have brought them to the surface, but there have been a lot lately.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>another angle on the guesstimate is how many board members have e90-2 wagners? I'd guess 5-10...maybe more? How many board members have t206 wagners? I know Hal has one...anyone else?<br /><br />pete ullman

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Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/thurber51/.Pictures/E90-2/E90-2%20Wagner.JPG"><br /><br />I've got E90-2. No T-206, though.

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>nice bruce...mine makes 2...I know leon has one...his trucker wagner!<br /><br />pete ullman

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>very nice wagner.<br /><br />nicer than the t206 <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I know of at least 3 fairly private board members, besides Hal, that have very nice T206 Wagners. I am sure there are several more. Most of these collectors won't come on the board and say what they have though. <br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1155759195.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>understandable Leon...I can certainly respect one's privacy. So maybe I was wrong...there are only 3 e90-2 wagners currently accounted for so far!<br /><br />pete ullman

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>PSA graded: 23<br />SGC graded: 18<br />GAI graded: ?<br />ungraded: ?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>thanks richard.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve Dawson</b><p>I have a GAI 2.5 E90-2 Wagner.<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>OK, you "Grading Guru's" what does your "pop" reports tell us about<br />the E90-1 Wagner's ?<br />And, is the Throwing pose tougher than the Batting one ?<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/e90wagner.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/batwagner.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Brett</b><p>I don't see how people can really go by population reports. Isn't there alot of people who get them graded, crack them out and re grade them again ? i guess that would mess it up a bit ?

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Brett<br /><br />I agree with you 100% regarding "pop" reports. I have made this same argument,<br />and more, in previous posts on this Forum. I'm not a fan of Graded cards. In fact<br />my entire collection is ungraded. But, its foolish to go against the trend, cards of<br />which I intend to sell or trade, I will get graded.<br /><br />Regarding my two E90-1 Wagner cards that I displayed and asked for their "pop-<br />report" numbers, it's just a matter of curiosity.<br /><br />T-Rex Ted

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>Well the Batting pose is A LOT more common then the throwing.<br />I have seen a good number of the batting pose on ebay over the last few months, about 4-7 I would say.<br /><br /><br />PSA<br />Batting 17<br />Throwing 5<br /><br />None graded over a 6.<br /><br />SGC totals are 19, but I can't seem to break it down to pose.<br /><br />REgardless it's a pretty rare card.<br /><br />James Gallo<br /><br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p>I read a blurb in a card mag stating that "collectors love the fact that Howie Kendrick only had 47 cards issued during his rookie season (2004)." One of each of these cards would cost you $923.<br /><br />47 rookie cards for one player, and 47 is judged to be a low number, relatively speaking! At least the big card producers aren't over saturating the market . . .<br /><br />This made me wonder, how many card issues did Wagner appear on during his playing days?<br /><br />T206, E90-2, D304, E92, E90-1, T200, M110, W600, M101-2, Colgan's, PC796, E103, Tip-Top Pirates, M116, E300, off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more. Any Wagner collectors out there? Is the total more or less than 47?<br /><br /><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/thurber51/.Pictures/20th%20Cabinets/SportLife%20Cab%20Wagner.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Wagner issues from Brett's website with a little editing:<br /><br />1899 Henry Reccius Cigars <br />1899 National Copper Plate <br />1899-1900 Sporting News Suppliments M101-1 8/19/1899 <br />1902 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Street <br />1902 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Uniform <br />1903 Breisch Williams Type I E107 <br />1904 Allegheny Card Co. <br />1906 Fan Craze National League WG3 <br />1907-09 Novelty Cutlery Postcards with Cobb <br />1907-09 Novelty Cutlery Postcards <br />1908 American League Pub. Co. Postcards PC770 <br />1908 LB Coyle Pirates Postcards <br />1908-09 Greenfield's Chocolates Postcards (Rose Co.) <br />1908-09 Rose Company Postcards <br />1909 Anonymous Set of 50 E101 Batting <br />1909 Anonymous Set of 50 E101 Throwing <br />1909 Croft's Candy E92 Batting, Black Back <br />1909 Croft's Candy E92 Batting, Blue Back <br />1909 Croft's Candy E92 Throwing, Black Back <br />1909 Croft's Candy E92 Throwing, Blue Back <br />1909 Croft's Cocoa E92 Batting <br />1909 Croft's Cocoa E92 Throwing <br />1909 Dockman & Sons Gum E92 Batting <br />1909 Dockman & Sons Gum E92 Throwing <br />1909 Nadja Caramels E92 Batting <br />1909 Nadja Caramels E92 Throwing <br />1909 Niagara Baking (E101) D355 Batting <br />1909 Niagara Baking (E101) D355 Throwing <br />1909 Philadelphia Caramel E95 <br />1909 W. W. Smith Postcards with Cobb <br />1909 W. W. Smith Postcards <br />1909-10 W555 W555 <br />1909-11 American Caramel Co. E90-1 Batting <br />1909-11 American Caramel Co. E90-1 Throwing <br />1909-11 Colgan's Chips E254 Pittsburg, Curved Letters <br />1909-11 Colgan's Chips E254 Pittsburg, Horizontal Letters <br />1909-11 Colgan's Chips E254 Pittsburgh, Curved Letters (Size variations) <br />1909-11 White Borders T206 <br />1909-13 Sporting News Suppliments M101-2 9/23/09 <br />1909-13 Sporting News Suppliments M101-2 with Cobb 3/17/10 <br />1909-16 Max Stein Postcards PC758 <br />1910 All Star Baseball <br />1910 American Caramel Co. E91 Set C <br />1910 American Caramel Co. Die-Cuts E125 Batting <br />1910 American Caramel Co. Die-Cuts E125 Throwing <br />1910 American Caramel Co. Pirates E90-2 <br />1910 Anonymous Set of 25 E102 Batting <br />1910 Anonymous Set of 25 E102 Fielding <br />1910 Anonymous Set of 30 E98 5 (Red, Green, Blue, Orange) <br />1910 Darby Chocolates E271 <br />1910 E-Unc Candy <br />1910 Ju-Ju Drums E286 <br />1910 Mello-Mint E105 Batting <br />1910 Mello-Mint E105 Throwing <br />1910 Nadja Pittsburgh Pirates E104-II Blank Back <br />1910 Nadja Pittsburgh Pirates E104-II Nadja <br />1910 Old Put Cigars (E98) 5 <br />1910 Orange Borders <br />1910 PC796 Sepia Postcards PC796 with Cobb <br />1910 PC796 Sepia Postcards PC796 <br />1910 Pittsburgh Gazette Times Postcard <br />1910 Standard Caramel Co. E93 <br />1910 Tip-Top Bread Pittsburgh Pirates D322 <br />1910 Williams Caramels E103 <br />1910 W-Unc Strip Cards <br />1910-11 Sporting Life M116 Blue <br />1910-11 Sporting Life M116 Pastel <br />1911 Baltimore Newsboy (E94) M131 <br />1911 Baseball Bats <br />1911 Blome's Chocolates (E94) <br />1911 George Close Candy Co. E94 <br />1911 Jones, Keyser and Arras Cabinets 346 <br />1911 Pinkerton T5 853 <br />1911 Pinkerton T5 872 <br />1911 Pinkerton T5 873 <br />1911 Pinkerton Score Cards 872 <br />1911 Sporting Life Cabinets M110 <br />1911-14 Brunners Bread D304 <br />1911-14 Butter Krust Bread D304 <br />1911-14 General Baking Co. D304 <br />1911-14 Martens Bakery D304 <br />1911-14 Weber Bakery D304 <br />1912 Plow's Candy E300 <br />1913 Base Ball Series Notebook Cover (E95/E96) <br />1913 Colgan's Chips Tin Tops E270 <br />1913 Fatima Team Cards T200 Pittsburg National <br />1913 Fatima Team Premiums Pittsburg National <br />1913 The National Game WG5 <br />1913 Tom Barker Game WG6 <br />1913 Voskamp's Coffee Pittsburgh Pirates <br />1914 Cracker Jack E145-I 68 <br />1914 General Baking Co. D303 Batting <br />1914 General Baking Co. D303 Throwing <br />1914 People's Tobacco (Kotton, Mino, Virginia Extra) T216 Batting, 2b. <br />1914 People's Tobacco (Kotton, Mino, Virginia Extra) T216 Batting, S.S. <br />1914 People's Tobacco (Kotton, Mino, Virginia Extra) T216 Fielding, 2b. <br />1914 People's Tobacco (Kotton, Mino, Virginia Extra) T216 Fielding, S.S. <br />1914 Polo Grounds Game WG4 Hit <br />1914 Polo Grounds Game WG4 Strike <br />1914 Postaco <br />1914 Texas Tommy Type I E224 <br />1914 Texas Tommy Type II E224 <br />1915 American Caramel Co. E106 Batting <br />1915 American Caramel Co. E106 Throwing <br />1915 Cracker Jack E145-II 68 <br />1916 Altoona Tribune (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Block and Kuhl Co. (M101-5) 184 <br />1916 Burgess-Nash Clothiers (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Everybody's (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Famous and Barr Clothiers (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Famous and Barr Clothiers (M101-5) 184 <br />1916 Ferguson Bakery Felt Pennants BF2 <br />1916 Ferguson Bread D381 <br />1916 Fleischmann Bread D381 <br />1916 Gimbels (Large Block Print) (M101-5) 184 <br />1916 Gimbels (Large Print) (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Globe Clothing Store (M101-4) H801-9 182 <br />1916 Green-Joyce Clothiers (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Herpolsheimer Co. (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Holmes to Homes (M101-5) 184 <br />1916 Indianapolis Brewing Co (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Mall Theatre (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Morehouse Baking Co. (M101-4) D352 182 <br />1916 Sporting News M101-4 182 <br />1916 Sporting News M101-5 184 <br />1916 Standard Biscuit (M101-5) D350-2 184 <br />1916 Successful Farming (M101-5) 184 <br />1916 Tango Eggs <br />1916 Ware's (M101-4) 182 <br />1916 Weil Baking Co. (M101-4) D329 182 <br />1917 Boston Store (E135) H801-8 180 <br />1917 Collins-McCarthy E135 180 <br />1917 Standard Biscuit (E135) 180 <br />1917 Weil Baking Co. (E135) D328 180 <br />

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Brett and Ted,<br /><br />While you may not be a fan of grading, I am a fan. A big fan. Every single pre-war card in my possession is graded, and I love it. I love the smell of the plastic, feeling the hard cold smoothness rubbing between my fingers. <br /><br />I love pop reports. I discount them to a degree due to the cracking and resubmitting that goes on, but it allows me to get a rough idea on overall populations. They are good for comparing issues - ie. e90-2, while tough, is probably in the ballpark to easier than e90-1.<br /><br />For those of us who are not dinosaurs and do not have 30 years of history in the prewar arena, pop reports are a good way to get an idea of how tough, how easy and how condition sensitive certain issues really are.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>That's over 130 issues of Wagner... wow... I wonder how many of those issues has a population of less than the T206 Wagner?

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Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p>Thanks, Richard. After looking at the list it appears that the T206 would actually be one of the more common Wagners out there. Some of those listed are next to impossible, such as Tango Eggs, Allegheny, Darby, etc. Many others are very, very tough, such as Texas Tommys and PC796.<br /><br />Here's a question. Which Wagner of those listed is the most common? Is the most common Wagner also the cheapest?<br /><br />And here's another, for Wagner collectors. How many of different issues from the list do you own? I've got 12.<br /><br />Another question. Wagner appears on the Orange Border Pirates Team card. Does he have an individual card as well?

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>I would say that the most common would probably be the game cards such as Tom Barker and National Game. I believe that, for the grade, these would probably be some of the cheapest on the list. <br /><br />I am not really a hardcore Wagner collector, but I managed to have 4 of the cards up there. <br /><br />As for the orange border, I think that there is a card of Wagner by himself and I seem to remember one selling on ebay in an SGC holder not too long ago? Or I may be confusing the issue with another candy card.<br /><br />I think that the t206 is probably somewhere around the middle or 2/3 down the list as far as scarcity, but that is just a wild guess. I also think that the list is missing some issues, and I do not think that everything listed even exists. <br /><br />Do any of these Wagners actually exist?<br /><br />1908-09 Greenfield's Chocolates Postcards (Rose Co.) <br />1909 Niagara Baking (E101) D355 Batting <br />1909 Niagara Baking (E101) D355 Throwing <br />1910 Darby Chocolates E271 <br />1910 Ju-Ju Drums E286 <br />1910 Old Put Cigars (E98) 5 <br />1911 Blome's Chocolates (E94) <br />1914 People's Tobacco Virginia Extra T216 Batting, 2b. <br />1914 People's Tobacco Virginia Extra T216 Batting, S.S. <br />1914 People's Tobacco Virginia Extra T216 Fielding, 2b. <br />1914 People's Tobacco Virginia Extra T216 Fielding, S.S. <br />1917 Standard Biscuit (E135) 180 <br />1917 Weil Baking Co. (E135) D328 180 <br /><br />And do all of the D304 and M101-4/5 back variations actually exist?<br />

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Posted By: <b>Zach Rice</b><p>Richard, i've seen both his Ju Ju Drum and his Darbys. The Ju Ju Drum shows Wagner batting and I believe his Darby's does as well, i'll have to scan the image I have of it.<br /><br />Wagner does have a 1910 Orange Border. Here is a scan of it. This is not my card.<br /><br /><a href="http://tinypic.com"><img src="http://i7.tinypic.com/24vu1hw.jpg" border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic"></a><br /><br />Another extremely elusive Wagner is his J=k Candy card.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Richard<br /><br />Back in the 1980's I saw a T216 VE Wagner (throwing-2b). It was in rough shape<br />but I recall my surprise at the caption "2b" (since we always think of him as<br />"Mr. Shortstop".......that is before Ernie Banks.<br /><br />T-Rex TED <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>rman ur on fire today! good job. also to say i'd love to see a scan of an e98 OP overprint or an e94 OP or an e101 NB back. For the life of me I can't bear to call the e98 op and the e101 nb by their D names...they're caramel cards damn it.<br /><br />From my experience collecting caramel cards the batting pose pop up more often than the throwing variation in all the sets, maybe the exception being the e92s.

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Damn, Ted! A VE Wagner. What I wouldn't do for an opportunity on that one.<br /><br />