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Fred-

Those look great! I think the best part is that you pulled them yourself. I'm jealous that as a kid you got 1952 bowman large and I got 1989 pro set lol. I guess I did get to open some 1986 fleer basketball, so it wasn't all bad. Anyways thanks for showing those they are pretty amazing.

Mike

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Originally Posted by clamendo (Post 1697236)

Brian Wentz years ago had a major find of 1952 Bowman football cards. He helped Randy Stuckemeyer build his #1 SGC set. I think he had as many as 15 sets/near sets he built from the find. They were all in SGC holders. He could never find a nice #54 or #144 from what I remembered. It's too bad his set is no longer posted. He eventually found an SGC 92 Lansford. So, based on that find, you would think Randy would have been able to pull better the an SGC 80 Lansford. I think he ended up paying 27k forhis SGC 92. Randy was probably the most condition conscious collector I had ever met. He found the SGC 96 Nagurski that was later crossed to the PSA 9.

Paul Kaufman had the #1 1952 Bowman large set on the PSA registry for 15 years. The only cards he couldn't find PSA 8 or better were #1Van Brocklin, #9 Spencer, and #45 Van Buren. There is an excellent article on the psa web site that greg bussineau wrote that shows the sheet positions and describes why the 52 Large SPs and SP+1 are so difficult.

Both are pretty good data points for the rarity of the SPs and the Lansford.

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Wow, 15 sets, what a find! It's great to hear about the collectors as well as the cards, a PSA 9 nagurski blows my mind as well.

I agree, Carl. That is simply amazing!

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The Bowman sheets were actually almost the same size as Topps uncut sheets, the 9 x 4's are cut down and are found for a lot of their sports and NS sets. I think they did that to fit their cutting equipment or to simplify whatever way they packaged the cards but I am not positive on the "why", just the "how." Someone (likely Teddy Z.) once posted a pic of a full Bowman Baseball sheet on the board here and it's bigger than 9 x 4. I'm not so sure "re-gearing" the cutting machinery would have been all that hard but it may have had a max size. Bowman's plant looks very small to me when compared to Topps' and smaller equipment may have been the norm there. Anyway, that's my recollection.

Regarding the Lansford, would anyone be willing to share the VCP data on that card?