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Birken 10-14-2018 03:51 AM

T207 The Best Tobacco Set Of All Time
 
Before you haters chime in...let me state my case.

Think about what the early 1900's looked like. Limited technology as we know it, death, disease, deplorable conditions, etc.
So, when I look at T207's...I automatically think of a very drab life at the time. T207s reflect that reality...you throw in a splash of color on the cards and you get...well...hope. It is easily the most "real" set of all time. It reflects true life at the time. The contrast between the brown (drab) background and the limited color appearing on the cards is absolutely stunning. Show me any other Tobacco Set that has that kind of contrast. It's either all color or black and white.

When you start breaking down the stats, T206s have probably 100 times per player and T205s 50 times per player compared to T207s. Factor in the fact that the T207 set has 15% more rare cards than the T20six Wagner...and I shake my head everyday why anyone would chase the T20six Wagner.

I'm a collector...not an investor, so my post here is to those true collectors of the hobby. But a word of warning to the investors out there, supply and demand always come back to equilibrium...trust me I know, and at some point the Tobacco market wakes up and realizes a T214 Cobb is infinitely more rare than any T20six Cobb combo you could imagine.

So...thanks for letting me put my opinion out there. I look forward to the debate that follows. Bottom line...it's not always about the money... we have all been conditioned to believe that this is exactly what it's about.

Ben




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ullmandds 10-14-2018 08:37 AM

T207's are cool...no doubt...the interesting array of players...the rarities...the backs...BUT...the GOAT???????? Thanks for the sunday am laugh!!!!!

rats60 10-14-2018 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Birken (Post 1819606)
Factor in the fact that the T207 set has 15% more rare cards than the T20six Wagner...and I shake my head everyday why anyone would chase the T20six Wagner.

It is because they aren't Honus Wagner, they are common players. The t206 Doyle is 5-6 times scarcer than the Wagner, but sells for much less. Wagner was one of the 2 big names in the game at the time. The kids all wanted Wagner and Cobb, they didn't care about Lewis and Lowdermilk.

When I collected in the 80s, the t207 set was popular along with t205 and t206. Lewis and Lowdermilk were two of the top 10 cards in the hobby. Now they can't even make a top 50 list of prewar cards. The hobby has shifted from set collecting to superstars and rookies. T207 lacks the biggest stars in the game. No Wagner. No Cobb. No Matty. No Young. Only WaJo of the big 5. You can't be in the discussion for the best set when you don't have the players everyone wants.

iowadoc77 10-14-2018 09:43 AM

Appreciate the perspective but not even close.
Popularity- T206
Players included- T206
Colors/ esthetics- T206- but not nearly as nice as clean T205s
HOFers- T206
And I could go on.

As we see countless times, scarcity doesn’t always translate to value

Having said that, if you like T207, good for you. These are all opinions

kmac32 10-14-2018 10:15 AM

Love my T207 Cubs. Interesting cards and interesting backs in my opinion

ullmandds 10-14-2018 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60 (Post 1819623)
It is because they aren't Honus Wagner, they are common players. The t206 Doyle is 5-6 times scarcer than the Wagner, but sells for much less. Wagner was one of the 2 big names in the game at the time. The kids all wanted Wagner and Cobb, they didn't care about Lewis and Lowdermilk.

When I collected in the 80s, the t207 set was popular along with t205 and t206. Lewis and Lowdermilk were two of the top 10 cards in the hobby. Now they can't even make a top 50 list of prewar cards. The hobby has shifted from set collecting to superstars and rookies. T207 lacks the biggest stars in the game. No Wagner. No Cobb. No Matty. No Young. Only WaJo of the big 5. You can't be in the discussion for the best set when you don't have the players everyone wants.

Yup yup!!! The reality of todayís hobby.

2dueces 10-14-2018 10:21 AM

Death and drab in the 1900’s? I’m not sure the whole world was drab. Fine silks from China. Luxury liners full of wonderful china. Impressionists such as Monet and Renoir painting vivid colorful canvases. The invention of the automobile allowing people to travel by their own means farther than they ever imagined. Opulent railcars for luxury never imagined. No I believe times weren’t drab for everyone. But I like the T207 set. Just not colorful enough to hold my interest long.

frankbmd 10-14-2018 10:40 AM

Drab?
 
Reading period novels and non-fiction from the early twentieth century leads me to a different conclusion.

Iím quite sure there were plenty of early T card collectors, who would shudder at the prospect of time travel to 2009.

Would any of you seriously consider waking up tomorrow in 2109 without a second thought?

I might want to visit, but not without a round trip ticket.;)

hcv123 10-14-2018 01:20 PM

My 2 cents
 
Firstly let me state that I am new to prewar cards and T207 wasn't originally on the list of what I was going to collect. A couple of fellow collectors suggested I take a look - I did and have decided to collect some - based on my impression of the appearance of the cards - not sure I agree with the whole background of the era you provide, but I do agree there is something visually captivating about some of the cards.
That all said - you state correctly that the market is determined (VERY imperfectly) by supply and demand. That agreed - I would suggest the consensus is while there may be a much lower supply of T207, there is also a much lower demand. No guarantee that time changes the demand - that is based upon the tastes and preferences of the generation. If demand remains constant or diminishes simple economics dictate that with an unchanging supply there will be downward price pressure. Only with increased demand and a static supply would there be upward price pressure.

Cozumeleno 10-14-2018 02:10 PM

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I love T207s for many of the reasons you state with regards to the look. I think the small splashes of color in what is an otherwise really dark and mysterious look is pretty brilliant. They're certainly much rarer than the other two but I still rank T205 and T206 ahead of it for a myriad of reasons. All the popular ones - better players, generally more detailed artwork, and those colors in T205/T206 are fabulous.

T207 has a fine place among the three and it's one of the more unique pre-war sets. Frankly, it's one of my favorite sets. I just don't know that that necessarily makes it better than the others.


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