Ron Keurajian's new book
 

Ron told me the book is coming out in November, 2012,,, good news for the hobby.

Here's the publishers link to order it, although it looks like you can also order it through Amazon.
http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.p...=0-7864-7050-X

I have already ordered my copy!!! Thanks for the info.

JimStinson
 

I am also looking forward to it. Will it be available in Braille?

I would hope PSA and JSA would pick up a copy, or 3.

Then it really would be helpful to be in braille! :D

Now that's funny! :p

That book would pay for itself quickly.

They would find out what some HOF autographs look like, hope there is an extensive ty cobb section.

:D

Maybe we should mail one to Coaches Corner.

Believe me, their consigners will have a copy.

I'm in Canada, to order this book from the publisher would cost me $15 shipping, through Amazon it is $9. Decisions decisions:rolleyes:

JimStinson
 

Its quite likely that the toughest autographs in the Baseball Hall of Fame are Cuban born Cristobal Torriente and Jose Mendez. Long before their recent induction into the Hall of Fame I was knocking on doors in Cuba 20 years ago. To my knowledge no autograph of either has ever been offered for sale and was confident that I was one of only maybe two or three people that knew what their autograph even looks like.
Examplars of their autographs will be in the book. I hope I'm wrong BUT wouldn't it be wierd if after the book comes out, so too do signatures of these all time toughies? Naw !!! No way that would happen. Would it ??
:) Say It ain't so Ron ! Say it ain't so

I believe that after the book comes out, the Roaches will have a few of them on snow white baseballs or, even better, a Cohiba or MonteCristo label :D, but it wont be seen because it will be item #659 :D

Jim

I had alays head that Torriente was illiterate. I would be interested to see what his signature looks like.

JimStinson
 

Numerous records of the day and achives dating to as early as 1913 when he was 20 years old, including ship passage documents all confirm that Cristobal Torriente could indeed read and write.

JimStinson
 

Also I've found that most of the historical information regarding Torriente and his time spent in the United States and where he spent it is wrong. Especially the last few years of his life.

Thats cool! Cant wait for the book.

Man, I am bummed :( Just got an email from Amazon that the publishing date was pushed back to sometime in December :(

JimStinson
 

Thats ONLY three months away :) anything worth having is worth waiting for

A perfect cold weather book in my eyes. Merry Christmas to me!

Looks like Dec 3rd so it will make a great Christmas gift. I plan on purchasing a few.

Sounds like a definitive study. Now, the bad question: in a field like this where 'artists' regularly forge signatures, is it a good thing to put this info out there?

Adam,
I've thought of this as well...

It's a good question and any answer will have good and bad points. My opinion is the biggest cause culprit in collectible scams is buyer ignorance and anything that raises the hobby's knowledge level is positive.

There is a Jose Mendez signed ball listed in the next Legendary auction. I can't see a damn thing in the auction photos, but it is intriguing.

Just got this email from Amazon about ths book:

Previous estimated arrival date: December 10, 2012 - December 13, 2012
New estimated arrival date: November 28, 2012 - December 03, 2012

The publisher's website has a link to Buy Now with a note below that says "Available for immediate shipment."

Anyone gotten theirs yet?

Supposedly mine was getting shipped today with estimated 6 day delivery. Will update when I get it.

I also received a meeage from Amazon saying it was on the way

Well it looks like I will be getting mine tomorrow, if you can believe the online tracker...

SO EXCITED!!!

man...interesting...... may have to buy this sooner and remove it from my xmas list haha....

Mine is out for delivery, will get it this afternoon

Yaaaay

I just ordered mine. Do you guys like it? Was it worth the $50?

it is not what I thought it would be as I think I was looking for something like his memorabilia book. Not a lot of pictures but a lot of information and reading must be done to understand the finer things within each autograph he describes.

In the future I think I will be very happy with the knowledge gained from this book but it is more of a class room study that what we have been used to in baseball books

rate it A which will turn to an A+ in the future

I received my copy and I really like it. I think his approach to this book is clever and does almost nothing to educate the forger, but very nice information for the collector. Instead of spending lots of time talking about the M's in Mantle or the D's in Dimaggio, he spends most of the discussion teaching how to determine forgeries by showing you traits that the forger cannot improve much. I have already read the entire book and know that it will remain useful.

are their discussions on every Hall of Famer's signature or just the "bigger" names?

Hall of Fame Signatures

All of them that have exemplars available.

JimStinson
 

The only Hall of Fame examples its missing is FRANK GRANT & TIM KEEFE , Grant because no known examples have ever surfaced either in or out of the public domain and Keefe because examples became available after the book had gone to press.
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Is there an Addie Joss example?

Yes there is

Can someone who has the book post any more information about the Joss auto, especially since it was such a hot topic recently with the auction that featured his hand-writing and the recent reported discovery of another Joss auto that appears to have been a fake.

Thanks.

In a nut shell; The auto shown is from an autograph album purportedly from the estate of Nap Lajoie. Where possible, the autos in this album match known signatures. But when it comes to Joss, "it should be considered an unconfirmed signature, simply because there is nothing to compare it to."

JimStinson
 

My two cents...When Ron was working on the book he asked me and I told him at that time there were what I believed to be two genuine examples of Addie Joss signature. There is some variation in both.

The one example he used in the book. The other example which was obtained from Joss widow he did not as he was not confident enough in it to use it , so he didn't.

Since then a postcard written by Addie and addressed to his son surfaced (I think its mentioned in this thread) and it matches exactly The example I have that originated from the wife which was not in the book. I believe all three are genuine. Two are in private collections and I have no idea where the other one ended up as I never saw the original only a copy.
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Well with 3 separate examples, and if you believe each to be authentic, I think we (I mean you or Ron, since you have seen all 3) can safely "authenticate" any examples separate than these three that surface in the hobby. The price 1 of those 3 will command when they eventually go to auction, whew.

JimStinson
 

Well ....Yes and No, He and I mildly disagree at present as to the authenticity of all three of what I would consider "knowns"...legit signatures of Joss. The example I cite from the widow might not even exist anymore as it appears to be an old style xerox , so she might have just sent out the copy and not the original. Or maybe only had a copy herself.

Then you add the intangibles of the signature variations , and rarity which would (I hope) make anyone who trys to authenticate an Addie Joss signature be looking at more than just "slant, formation, pen pressure etc etc, blah blah" and be instead looking for ROCK SOLID provenance and the ability to back track what? Almost 100 years to practically "put the pen in his hand" Anything less would be negligent considering what his signature would sell for either via auction or outright sale.
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Can someone post or email me a Dan Brouthers auto from the book ? thanks Mike