Originally Posted by irv (Post 1681773)

What do you think, Frank, a 8, 9 or 10? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1681776)

I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.

I have never understood the hate for BCCG cards because as long as you can read you should be OK. The grade is clearly printed on the label in big letters.

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1681776)

I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.

Originally Posted by irv (Post 1681735)

I disagree. I have seen many sellers who claim it was "graded a "6" or "7" or higher and mention nothing about how BCCG grades.

I said it back a while ago, that sellers will love this as there are still many novice collectors out there and new collectors coming to the hobby everyday.

"Those two Beckett services are BVG and BGS only. A third Beckett service, BCCG, attempts to capitalize on the well-known numerical grading scale collectors are familiar with (1 through 10) as a way to make it appear to novice collectors that the card is in nicer condition than it actually is."

Originally Posted by irv (Post 1681787)

I have learned a lot since I joined this forum, and I still, admittedly, have a long ways to go yet, but if I have learned something, then that is the fact there is a lot of dishonesty and deception within this hobby.

With that being said, it would be nice, sort of, if I were just talking about dishonest sellers, not about a grading company or TPG, whichever you prefer, to be one of those dishonest deceptive people!

I am not sure what you are referring to, Ben? I see the label as a 10, Mint or Better. There is nothing there that I see that would suggest this card, or any other, is not graded like the rest, or remotely close to what people are use to or is the norm in hobby.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TONY-GWYNN-1...D/122396909010

It's funny what this guy decided to add in his post just to make it that much more alluring or appealing. A newbie, rookie, neophyte, or whatever you want to call them, would/will likely eat this stuff up. I know when I first re-joined the hobby after and this site after a 30+ yr absence, I was one of them. :o
Graded BCCG-10 (Mint or Better) by Beckett Grading Services "The World's Most Trusted Source in Collecting"

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1681792)

Not sure of that these days. I just searched on ebay for 2011 Topps Update Trout PSA and 2011 Topps Update Trout BGS -- a pretty representative newer card -- and there are more PSA.

Originally Posted by irv (Post 1681773)

What do you think, Frank, a 8, 9 or 10? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by bnorth (Post 1681777)

I believe that would be correctly labeled as a BCCG 7 Very Good.:)

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1681907)

Ben,

Irv says it's undergraded.

Irv,

Just include that opinion with you submission and I see Kuzava in a BCCG 9 holder

;)