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jpop43 11-01-2018 06:46 PM

Yogi Berra Handwriting Expert Needed
 
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Anybody out there have any experience with handwriting samples of Yogi Berra? Does the "plain" handwritten autograph in the image look as though it was done in Yogi's own hand?

Thanks in advance for your forensic expertise!

Jon
www.dugouttreasures.com

SetBuilder 11-01-2018 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jpop43 (Post 1823990)
Anybody out there have any experience with handwriting samples of Yogi Berra? Does the "plain" handwritten autograph in the image look as though it was done in Yogi's own hand?

Thanks in advance for your forensic expertise!

Jon
www.dugouttreasures.com

LOL. "Forensic" isn't a popular word here.

thetruthisoutthere 11-01-2018 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jpop43 (Post 1823990)
Anybody out there have any experience with handwriting samples of Yogi Berra? Does the "plain" handwritten autograph in the image look as though it was done in Yogi's own hand?

Thanks in advance for your forensic expertise!

Jon
www.dugouttreasures.com

Forensic!!!!???

RichardSimon 11-02-2018 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere (Post 1824031)
forensic!!!!???

lmao, good one Chris.

Steve D 11-02-2018 03:26 PM

That looks like, if it's real, it was written when Yogi was not-yet 18 years old.

Can you show us any more of the writing?

Steve

jpop43 11-02-2018 04:03 PM

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Correct...if legit, it was written by a 17 year old Yogi Berra during his 1943 season in Norfolk prior to enlisting. Here's the rest of the document...

Steve D 11-02-2018 04:36 PM

Well, here's a copy of Yogi's WWII draft registration card. He signed it on his 18th birthday in 1943. It lists his home address as in St. Louis, where he was born. Also, he didn't print the information; it is in his handwriting.

I sort of find it unlikely that he would have later printed his information on a card, since he could write, and for the printing to look like it was printed by a younger kid.

Steve

https://i.imgur.com/6I3g2a5.jpg

jpop43 11-02-2018 04:50 PM

Yes, I have seen that draft registration card. The card itself was very likely signed by him at the bottom. All of the other writing was, according to a representative at the Yogi Berra Museum, probably done by someone else...maybe his mother. So. it still leaves me wondering what his printed handwriting looked like. And, since the index card in question called for "plain" writing, he or whomever filled it out, would have printed it.

frankbmd 11-02-2018 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jpop43 (Post 1824222)
Correct...if legit, it was written by a 17 year old Yogi Berra during his 1943 season in Norfolk prior to enlisting. Here's the rest of the document...

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Originally Posted by Steve D (Post 1824228)
Well, here's a copy of Yogi's WWII draft registration card. He signed it on his 18th birthday in 1943. It lists his home address as in St. Louis, where he was born. Also, he didn't print the information; it is in his handwriting.

I sort of find it unlikely that he would have later printed his information on a card, since he could write, and for the printing to look like it was printed by a younger kid.

Steve

https://i.imgur.com/6I3g2a5.jpg


On the first form that is printed, it looks like he gained 27 pounds while completing the form (165 to 192)

On the second form which is cursive the instructions clearly direct the individual to print to fill in the boxes. Furthermore the cursive name in the box does not look like the signature on the bottom line. If it was signed by the person that filled out the form on the same day, shouldn’t the signatures be similar? Perhaps a secretary that didn’t know how to print filled it out before Yogi signed it.;)

jpop43 11-02-2018 05:12 PM

The Heilbroner Baseball Bureau Cards were documents that followed a player throughout their careers. So, when the card was filled out in 1943...either by Yogi or someone else...he weighed 165. When the card was last updated in 1955...as indicated at the top...I guess he weighed 192.

I don't so much have any doubts about any of the info reflected on the card, but would like to try to determine if a 17 year old, Berra did the original printing on it.

And I do agree that the writing on the draft registration card was done by two different people.


I do appreciate all the help and opinions, Guys...much appreciated.


Jon

Steve D 11-02-2018 05:16 PM

Here's another thought:

In the first (printed) form, it says Yogi has "5" dependents. He had a wife and three sons. Larry was born in 1949, Tim in 1951, and Dale in Dec, 1956.

So, Yogi only had 4 dependents.

Even if Yogi's parents were declared his "dependents, he still didn't get his 5th "dependent" until Tim was born in 1951 (when Yogi was 26).

Steve

bigtrain 11-03-2018 07:08 AM

Zip codes were introduced in 1963.

Aquarian Sports Cards 11-03-2018 07:18 AM

Frankly I don't like all the obvious erasures on the piece in the OP

chalupacollects 11-03-2018 07:25 AM

Yogi certainly didn't live in Montclair, NJ in 43... The original photo looks like some sort of registration card that ended in 1951... Also appears the Montclair address was not the first address in that spot and the formation of the numbers are different than the rest of card...

chalupacollects 11-03-2018 07:29 AM

Here's a short thread I find about these cards...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=257410

Mr. Zipper 11-03-2018 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bigtrain (Post 1824333)
zip codes were introduced in 1963.

bingo.

parker1b2 11-03-2018 01:28 PM

Not sure if Zip Codes changed over time but Montclair Zip is 07043. The one printed on the card is for Teaneck NJ.

frankbmd 11-03-2018 01:38 PM

Since it hasn’t yet been mentioned, it seems odd that his second favorite sport was a social security number.:confused::eek::D


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