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hcv123 12-29-2019 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim65 (Post 1942705)
I need opinions. To me it looks like 2 genuine and 2 reprints.

I concur

Cliff Bowman 01-02-2020 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim65 (Post 1942705)
I need opinions. To me it looks like 2 genuine and 2 reprints.

All four are legit. As a rule of thumb on 1972 Venezuelans, if there is any evidence of the card being glued into an album it is the real deal, if the back is clean with absolutely no evidence of ever being placed into an album it is one of those mid 2000's counterfeits. The cards on the left are the legit cards and the cards on the right are examples of the counterfeit cards. It's very easy to see the difference in font on the Sadecki in Action card, the Martinez and McAndrew cards are a little more difficult but the difference in font can be seen by comparing the names. The legit cards also have clearer photos. I don't know if the #105 Sadecki card was ever counterfeited.

Jim65 01-03-2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman (Post 1943935)
All four are legit. As a rule of thumb on 1972 Venezuelans, if there is any evidence of the card being glued into an album it is the real deal, if the back is clean with absolutely no evidence of ever being placed into an album it is one of those mid 2000's counterfeits. The cards on the left are the legit cards and the cards on the right are examples of the counterfeit cards. It's very easy to see the difference in font on the Sadecki in Action card, the Martinez and McAndrew cards are a little more difficult but the difference in font can be seen by comparing the names. The legit cards also have clearer photos. I don't know if the #105 Sadecki card was ever counterfeited.

Great info, thanks Cliff.

here2havefun 01-16-2020 04:53 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/164024739438

I've only been collecting Venezuelans for about a year, so I don't have a great idea of the market for the super high-end cards, but I was shocked by this price. Worth noting, the highest bidder has zero feedback.

DBesse27 01-16-2020 04:56 PM

I don’t have the best eye for this, but it looks trimmed to me. Would also explain why somebody wouldn’t have it graded for resale.

here2havefun 01-16-2020 05:09 PM

Yeah it certainly looks to be small, based on the amount of border showing. I don't own very many 68's, so don't know if that's common among that set.

DBesse27 01-16-2020 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by here2havefun (Post 1947675)
Yeah it certainly looks to be small, based on the amount of border showing. I don't own very many 68's, so don't know if that's common among that set.

I collect the 68s and that one doesn’t look right.

hcv123 01-16-2020 08:05 PM

First thing I thought when I saw it
 
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Originally Posted by DBesse27 (Post 1947678)
I collect the 68s and that one doesn’t look right.

Even assuming it was legit - that is an unusually high price tag for that card in that condition (If not trimmed - probably a 2-4k card).

Rrrlyons 01-17-2020 10:07 AM

Looks like a fake to me too. 68’s have a gray stock and that picture makes it look like it has white paper stock. And really someone with zero feedback that’s the first card you bid on cries hanky panky. When it first came up I thought it looked short also.
He also has a 52 mantle for sale it’s at $8 for those of you that think it’s real like this card.
Rick

hcv123 01-17-2020 10:35 AM

Someone trying to capitalize!
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-Venezu...AAAOSwMY9eHhdf

Too bad - he's a good seller, but is pretty frequently overpriced - Sure he saw the one we have been talking about to price his. His looks a bit short l/r also - anyone have experience if that is common for the issue?


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