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cfhofer 05-07-2015 07:37 PM

1890s Yale football
 
Hello,

I'm writing a book on Frank Hinkey and the 1890s Yale football teams. Let me know if anyone has interesting/unique memorabilia to share. Would be glad to purchase but will settle for scans.

I acquired a large collection of Frank Hinkey memorabilia from descendants of his wife. Here are scans of his personal 1895 Yale yearbook with bookplate and signature.

Front cover of yearbook.
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r.../Hinkeyyb1.jpg

Library ownership sticker on inside front cover


Signed first page in upper right corner

Cheers

Mark

cfhofer 05-10-2015 07:34 PM

Yale Football Programs
 
Here are a few 1890s Yale football programs from my personal collection. I'll post a few more next week too.

1891 Yale-Harvard
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...age.jpg1_4.jpg

1892 Yale-Crescent Athletic Club
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...age.jpg1_3.jpg

1892 Yale-Harvard
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...age.jpg1_2.jpg

1893 Yale-Harvard (rare version)
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...age.jpg1_1.jpg

Cheers

Mark

prewarsports 05-11-2015 10:56 AM

LOVE the early football stuff and nobody is more passionate about it than Mark!

Hot Springs Bathers 05-11-2015 01:38 PM

Mark- I wish I could contribute but sadly have nothing to offer. I will be a buyer of the book though, please keep us posted.

scooter729 05-11-2015 02:29 PM

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I don't have anything specific to that era of Yale football to share, but I collect early Harvard football material, so I certainly appreciate the topic!

Hope you don't mind my sharing - this picture from my office wall includes an 1894 Harvard pennant (right in line with Hinkey's era), along with a 1903 panoramic of the new Harvard football stadium. The action shot is from a Harvard - Yale game in New Haven from 1908.

Good luck with the project!
Scott

cfhofer 05-11-2015 05:35 PM

Harvard guys
 
Scott,

Very cool display. Since you are a Harvard guy I am posting two 19th century Harvard autographs from my private collection.

William H Lewis - 1891-93 Harvard center, first African-American All-American and earliest college football HOFer. He became a prominent lawyer and was appointed to US Assistant Attorney General.
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...age.jpg1_5.jpg

Charles D Daly - Harvard All-American QB from 1898-1900. Transferred to Army on request from Teddy Roosevelt, where he played from 1901-02. Considered the only 5x All-American football player and inaugural member of the college football HOF. I was blessed to purchase his personal estate from his grand-daughter, which is now in the West Point Archives. I kept a couple autographs and a beautiful handpainting by him.
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...atureclear.jpg

vintagesportscollector 05-11-2015 05:45 PM

Mark, I would also have interest in your book, good luck.

Scott - would love to see more of your items, looks like you have tickets and programs which would be great see close ups.

cfhofer 05-11-2015 05:57 PM

1894 Yale
 
Here are a couple pieces I acquired from Harold Letton's grandson. Letton was a sub on the 1894 Yale football team.

1894 Yale football gold charm
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...age.jpg1_6.jpg
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...image.jpg2.jpg
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...image.jpg3.jpg
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...image.jpg4.jpg

1894 Yale Football dinner menu
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...age.jpg1_7.jpg

Mark

scooter729 05-12-2015 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector (Post 1410321)

Scott - would love to see more of your items, looks like you have tickets and programs which would be great see close ups.

Thanks for the comment - I will start a new thread shortly with some material, so as not to hijack / detract from Mark's great Yale materials!

bluespruce 05-12-2015 12:52 PM

Great thread - fun to see all these items (and that's true even though I'm a Princeton fan! :)

Here are a few ticket stubs in my collection. Top two are Princeton-Yale, and the bottom one is from the 1894 "Hampden Park Bloodbath":

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=18394

cfhofer 05-16-2015 05:35 PM

Greenway photos
 
Very cool ticket stubs. Thanks for sharing bluespruce.

Here are a few items from the John Greenway estate. Greenway played right end for Yale from 1892-94. He went on to have a very distinguished military career as one of Teddy Roosevelt's 'Rough Riders' in the Spanish-American War.

Greenway and Hinkey (1894)


Armstrong, Hickok and Greenway (1894)


1892 Freshman Yale football team
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r.../1892fresh.jpg

Mark

Joe Hunter 05-17-2015 08:52 AM

Havard Yale Football
 
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I believe this c1910 pillow cover is a depiction of a 19th Century game between Harvard and Yale.

cfhofer 05-22-2015 09:36 AM

Yale Programs
 
Here are a few more 1890s Yale football programs.

1893 Yale-Harvard (more common version)
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...fer/img390.jpg

1894 Yale-Princeton hardcover
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...fer/img392.jpg

1894 Yale-Princeton program+ticket (rare version of program)
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...fer/img391.jpg

Mark

mschwade 05-22-2015 09:45 AM

I'd love to know if a 1909 Yale National Championship team=signed piece is out there.

Thanks for starting this thread Mark!

Matt

cfhofer 05-23-2015 05:54 AM

Yale pendant
 
Here is an 1894 Yale football pendant.

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...894pendant.jpg

Mark

cfhofer 05-28-2015 07:17 PM

Hinkey letter
 
I need to keep the Hinkey items 'close to the vest' for my book, however this piece won't be included. Posted is an 1894 handwritten letter from Frank Hinkey to John Greenway, inviting him on a group date along with Walter Camp and his wife.

Hinkey letter

Mark

Butch7999 05-28-2015 10:26 PM

Not ours, of course (photo cribbed long ago from one of the big auction sites),
and not sure it's of any use for your project, but The Yale-Princeton Foot Ball Game
debuted in the McLoughlin Bros catalogue in 1895 and was a staple of their line for 25 years,
until the company was bought up by Milton Bradley:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...l.jpg~original

sporteq 05-28-2015 10:49 PM

awesome.. best of luck!

Scott Garner 05-29-2015 03:45 AM

Mark,
Congrats on your impressive early Yale football collection.
That really is eye candy! :cool:

cfhofer 05-29-2015 05:15 AM

Thanks guys. The artwork on the 'Yale-Princeton' board game is fantastic. Doesn't look like a game my 7 year old son would want to play though, unless they come out with an updated Ipad version.

Cheers

Mark

cfhofer 08-07-2015 07:42 AM

Just picked up this 1892 Yale football team photo. These Pach Bros team photos are my favorite.

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...age.jpg1_9.jpg

vthobby 08-07-2015 01:00 PM

Badger Auto....
 
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Here is a Walter Badger original autograph. I own it. If interested, please let me know.

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From the internet:

"To handle the newly defined chores of the quarterback position, Walter Camp selected his old roommate, Walter I. Badger, ’82. Badger and Camp worked on a variety of ways to set up scoring opportunities; primarily involving passes and hand-offs, enabling the halfbacks and fullbacks to try for goals from the field or the less desirable touchdowns, which only resulted in “tries-for-goal” from a location chosen by the kicker."

cfhofer 11-02-2015 04:25 PM

1891 Yale football photograph

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...fer/img429.jpg

Jay Wolt 11-02-2015 06:47 PM

Just noticed this thread, what a treat
Such awesome memorabilia, thanks for posting 'em

cfhofer 11-04-2015 05:03 PM

The 1891 Yale team featured 3x All-American William "Pudge" Walter Heffelfinger at guard (back row, far right in photo above). In 1892 he became the first recognized professional football player for the Allegheny Athletic Association. Below is a handwritten signed letter.

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...ffelfinger.jpg

Duluth Eskimo 11-04-2015 07:40 PM

That is an awesome letter. Pudge was from my area (Minneapolis), but you rarely see any items like this even here. Beautiful item and thanks for posting. Jason

ramram 11-05-2015 03:23 PM

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This is a little earlier than what you were looking for but I'll throw it on here anyway. It's a student writing about the Yale football team in 1886 with comments on several players including Harry Beecher.

Rob M.

"...Our room faces the New Haven Green, which puts me in mind of the Boston Common every time I look at it. There are thirteen Exeter men here, including Wurtenburgh, Sykes Lyman...Wurtie is doing fine work on the team. He is sub. half & quarter back. He does not want to do much football playing this year and so has not worked to get on the team. Ben is a half back but is too slow altogether. He is punting pretty well. He broke his nose in one of the practice games but it is well now. You ought to see how they play football here. The go in to win. There is three times as much slugging in a practice game as there is in the Exeter or Andover game. Hanson played one evening and Pike who was playing opposite him told him to get onside. Hanson did not stir and Pike drew off and hit him right in the eye, then Hanson as soon as he recovered himself hit Pike a dandy on the nose and they had a regular fight until the Captain yelled to them to stop. Hanson had a terrible eye and Pike a skinned nose. You ought to see Beecher play. He is something like Harding, one minute he is in the midst of a crowd and the next he has the ball and running for the goal. He has not layed up at all. He had a sore leg but plays just the same. Wurtie could get halfback if he wanted it but says he wants to study this year and then play football next year. I am afraid Ben will not stay here long. He flunks in great style. Himball played first base on the Freshman base ball team at Princeton in the Freshman-Sophomore game..."

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cfhofer 11-05-2015 06:21 PM

Rob - That letter is a historic piece! Wurtenburg, Hanson and Pike were freshman in 1886. Wurtenburg actually played on the varsity squad from 1886-89. Beecher was elected captain the following season in 1887. Thank you for sharing.

CarltonHendricks 11-07-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramram (Post 1469098)
This is a little earlier than what you were looking for but I'll throw it on here anyway. It's a student writing about the Yale football team in 1886 with comments on several players including Harry Beecher.

Rob M.

"...Our room faces the New Haven Green, which puts me in mind of the Boston Common every time I look at it. There are thirteen Exeter men here, including Wurtenburgh, Sykes Lyman...Wurtie is doing fine work on the team. He is sub. half & quarter back. He does not want to do much football playing this year and so has not worked to get on the team. Ben is a half back but is too slow altogether. He is punting pretty well. He broke his nose in one of the practice games but it is well now. You ought to see how they play football here. The go in to win. There is three times as much slugging in a practice game as there is in the Exeter or Andover game. Hanson played one evening and Pike who was playing opposite him told him to get onside. Hanson did not stir and Pike drew off and hit him right in the eye, then Hanson as soon as he recovered himself hit Pike a dandy on the nose and they had a regular fight until the Captain yelled to them to stop. Hanson had a terrible eye and Pike a skinned nose. You ought to see Beecher play. He is something like Harding, one minute he is in the midst of a crowd and the next he has the ball and running for the goal. He has not layed up at all. He had a sore leg but plays just the same. Wurtie could get halfback if he wanted it but says he wants to study this year and then play football next year. I am afraid Ben will not stay here long. He flunks in great style. Himball played first base on the Freshman base ball team at Princeton in the Freshman-Sophomore game..."

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WOW!!!!...let me know if you ever get tired of that!!

cfhofer 12-03-2015 06:51 PM

While technically this piece is post-1890s, I thought it was cool enough to share. This is a 13" x 9" signed photograph of Edward Harris "Ted" Coy. Coy was a 3x All-American fullback for Yale from 1907-09. As a senior in 1909, Coy led Yale to an undefeated 10–0 record, outscoring opponents 209–0. He coached the Bulldogs the following year and was an inaugural member of the College Football Hall of Fame in 1951. Coy passed away in 1935 at age 47, making his signature extremely tough.

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...fer/TedCoy.jpg

ctownboy 12-07-2015 06:28 PM

Yale Murphy cabinet cards
 
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Here are two different Yale Murphy cabinet cards. The Pach Brothers is when he was a student and the Newsboy is when he was a Major Leaguer.

David

cfhofer 05-03-2017 02:55 PM

Frank Hinkey website
 
Hey guys,

While deployed to Afghanistan this past year I developed a website dedicated to Frank Hinkey and the 1890s Yale football teams. Along with an in-depth biography there is unique memorabilia and photographs, many originating from the Hinkey estate. We'll continue to update the site throughout the year. Please take a look and give me your honest feedback, either public or private.

The website is: www.frankhinkey.com

Cheers.

Mark

smotan_02 05-03-2017 04:48 PM

Spent a year of my life in beautiful Afghanistan. Heading to Iraq to do my second tour there in a few months. Thanks for your service and the website looks great!

vintagesportscollector 05-03-2017 05:39 PM

Nice website Mark. Wonderful content, enjoyed reviewing it. Great manner in which you have honored these relics and their history.

..and Scotty and Mark, thank you both for your Service!

cfhofer 05-03-2017 05:51 PM

Thanks guys. I'll continue to refine it over the year now that I'm back home.

Scotty: Thank you for your service too! What part of Afghanistan? I was in Kandahar at the Role 3 Multinational Medical Unit.

bluespruce 05-04-2017 09:09 AM

Hi Mark - Really nicely-done website! Looks great, with fascinating and well-written content. Already an excellent resource that's easy to browse and read. I'll look forward to seeing it continue to grow!
~Dan

smotan_02 05-04-2017 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cfhofer (Post 1657704)
Thanks guys. I'll continue to refine it over the year now that I'm back home.

Scotty: Thank you for your service too! What part of Afghanistan? I was in Kandahar at the Role 3 Multinational Medical Unit.

Was in Kandahar and Helmand for all of 2009. Went there to do Engineer/Logistics planning for the surge in RC-South and RC-West. Arrived and Helmand (Leatherneck) was 200 people...left and it was 21,000.

cfhofer 05-05-2017 03:00 PM

Scotty,

We have drawn down quite a bit in both those places. Who knows what the future holds though. Best of luck on your future tour to Iraq.

I've posted the below photo for you. My wife doesn't allow me to display many sports pieces in our home. However this proudly sits on my office desk. It is an original signed painting by a legendary Army Football coach. Any guess who? Being a West Point grad I thought you may appreciate it.

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...hofer/Daly.jpg

prewarsports 05-06-2017 05:37 PM

Good to see you back home safe and sound Mark!

Rhys

cfhofer 05-06-2017 06:10 PM

Thanks Rhys. Feels great to be back.

smotan_02 05-09-2017 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cfhofer (Post 1658260)
Scotty,

We have drawn down quite a bit in both those places. Who knows what the future holds though. Best of luck on your future tour to Iraq.

I've posted the below photo for you. My wife doesn't allow me to display many sports pieces in our home. However this proudly sits on my office desk. It is an original signed painting by a legendary Army Football coach. Any guess who? Being a West Point grad I thought you may appreciate it.

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...hofer/Daly.jpg

Wow...you got me. My first thought was COL Red Blaik in his later days, but the signature doesn't match. Maybe Charles Daly, Lombardi, or Herman Hickman? Someone less famous? No idea....that's good trivia though.

cfhofer 05-09-2017 06:59 PM

It is by Charles Daly. After he retired he began painting landscapes. A few football coaches from this era have paintings available. I've seen Pop Warner and Robert Zuppke paintings pop up occasionally.

smotan_02 05-09-2017 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cfhofer (Post 1659784)
It is by Charles Daly. After he retired he began painting landscapes. A few football coaches from this era have paintings available. I've seen Pop Warner and Robert Zuppke paintings pop up occasionally.

Nice! That signature is quite difficult to find. So, in a round about way, you have that one.

cfhofer 05-10-2017 10:02 AM

I don't understand why his signature is so tough. He lived a full life, was a mentor for many famous US Generals, wrote a football book, was actively involved in West Point and Harvard athletics. Yet I know of only two signatures in the hobby. I got a feeling most just don't know who he is, so the sigs stay buried.

cfhofer 07-21-2018 06:57 AM

Here’s a fantastic 13” x 11” original photograph of the championship 1894 Yale football team. Captained by 4x All-American Frank Hinkey, this team went 16-0 and outscored their opponents 485 to 13. For those interested in Frank Hinkey, please check out my museum website at www.frankhinkey.com.

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/r...06AC3C143.jpeg


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