Young, Mathewson, Johnson, & Alexander - Pop 20 or below
 

I assume everyone is enjoying seeing the fabulous cards of Ruth, Cobb, Wagner & Jackson in this current thread: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=255760

But, as so often is the case, the focus is on great hitters, as opposed to great pitchers. So, I have started this thread to show some love to four of the greatest pitchers of the same era.

Show your treasured cards of Cy, Matty, WaJo, and Pete that have a population of 20 or less in the combined PSA & SGC pop reports. And, let's make this competitive - let's strive to show more scarce/rare cards than are shown in the hitters thread! And, please show the backs of your cards, unless the backs are blank.

I'll start with this 1911 Baseball Bats of WaJo (my avatar) - my card is raw, and there are 4 in the combined pop reports:

I don't know the population reports, but there can't be many of these.

Good one, Val!

Couple of tougher ones.

1/1

Do pinbacks count?

Damnit. I had just finished picking my jaw off the floor from the other thread...

Steve- amazing Drum!
Scott- that’s got to be one of the nicest eye appeal E107s for any player, let alone Young!
Incredible cards!

Did Cy win the election for treasurer in 1916?

Val, you can do better than that!! You must have dozens of rare wajo items to post; we’d love to see them. Great thread btw

Here is a low pop Matty

Hi Val .....my favorite Matty....traded a bunch of T206's for it quite a few years ago.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...0xMattySGC.jpg



TED Z

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D/K what the pop is and I don't really care, as I am still very happy to have picked up this card recently:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...20WaJo%201.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...20WaJo%202.jpg

I know there ain't 20 of these...

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...%201%20b_1.jpg

Wow Ted! That is a beautiful W600.
What don’t you have?

Guess I should post this one to go with Ted's

bam!

There are not too many of these Matty's in circulation.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...onmatty75x.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nmatty75xb.jpg



TED Z

T206 Reference
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Meet up of the Matty W600 street clothes....my version. also a T5 Pinkerton Cardboard mount WaJo and a Matty T3 no ad back (out of order..sorry)

Paul

Matty W600
 

Mathewson’s TRUE inaugural card....first released by the Sporting News January 1903. Breisch Williams Matty was released in the late spring 1903. A beauty Scott, and arguably the most significant Matty card!

Lets get Mr. Young involved here.

Now, this is my kind of thread.

Great cards guys! Love the W600s and the PC760 Rose Co. postcard.

Tough to know how many Piedmont 42s are out there, but seems likely to fit the bill.

Did someone mention Piedmont 42?

I'll do two WaJos in a row to make Ryan H. happy.

Lets go three in a row

Here's a couple of my Matty's

Love the W600s!!!
That Young is spectacular Jay!

1891 Ryder's Portraits Cabinet of Cy Young from his first full year in the Major Leagues.

found a few others. been a long time since the Mathewson bottle from the Halper auction has seen the light of day, so here it is (one of my favorite pieces!). part of a set of 6 NY Giants bottles. i believe they are a unique set?

Also an M101-1 Sporting News Cy Young, a Close Candy Young, and an E92 Dockman Young.

And also ex-Halper, the large T200 Washington Senators with Walter.

Paul

Young same time frame of 1891

that Ryder portrait is gorgeous, Kevin!

Here's a Cy Young with less than 20 in the pop report column.

.http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...e460cyoung.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...e460cyoung.jpg


TED Z

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The toughest Young of the W600's, the Cleveland version, but the earlier Boston is probably more popular.

I know for sure I have 3 that fit the bill...

Not sure on the pops of these Youngs?...

This Matty with a SOVEREIGN 460 back is very tough to find (as are the other five T206 super-prints).

.........http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...cematty25x.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ematty25xy.jpg



TED Z

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Hi Scott - For the 1909 Cleveland cards Sporting Life utilized the same picture of Cy Young wearing a Boston lace-top uniform as was used for his previous cards. These cards were issued near the very end of the W600 run. Hence scarcer.

Erick, I love your D381s, especially the WaJo. And, thanks for showing a Grover C. Alexander card - I was beginning to feel sorry for old "Pete" because none of his cards had yet been shown in this thread, and I don't have any in my collection to show.

My 1920 D327-1 Holsum Bread - WaJo card is raw. The pop reports show 1 (SGC) plus two 1921 D327-2 cards (1 each for PSA & SGC). I'd love to add a D327-2 to my WaJo collection.

Thanks Val, Nice Holsum!

I get it now Val, you are going to leak them out. Smart like a fox.

Awesome cards everyone. Great thread! This one is not rare per second, but rare for the grade? (Heck I just wanted to participate!)

Ryan, thanks (I think) for the compliment. Since I am old and a Senators collector, I'll pretend I'm in good company with "The Old Fox" (a/k/a Clark Griffith, Senators owner and GM).

Ryan, you found a loophole with your "rare for the grade" Cy Young. Clever like a fox! :D

Getting back to this thread, my 1917 D350-2 Standard Biscuit - WaJo card is raw. Per the combined pop reports, this is the only example in existence on this planet (I couldn't resist using this Goodwin Auctions superlative)! :p

Don't know the pop report on these cards but am guessing there are less than 20 copies of each.

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...my%20copy_.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...00%20Matty.jpg

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...10%20Matty.jpg

The 1914 Cracker Jack probably exceeds the twenty-or-less criteria but everyone seems to like this one so I'll post it anyway.

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika...J%20Matty1.jpg

Erick - this would make a good compliment to your individual cards.

Beautiful cards, everyone!

Less than 20 T213-3...and I'm not aware of any other Factory 8 Overprint...

I did a quick google search to see how many different W600s Cy Youngs I could find. Seems they all are scarce. I found two Images of the Cleveland Young unless they are the same below? Image on the left came off VCP and the one on the right was what Scott posted. When dealing with W600s, the mounts have different scarcity as well as, the images and player identification.

Interesting, before this comparison I thought these were the only two W600 Cy Young Clevelands I could find, now when reexamining the side by sides they do appear to be the SAME cabinet, the first must have had some minor tweaking of the scan?? As they both have the stain in the exact spot.

I totally agree Kevin! Here's mine... ;) Is the other one yours? Very nice!

LOL. Great piece. Definitely belongs in your collection.

Yes, the other one is mine. Only three known AFAIK.

Some rare Mathewsons
 

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https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8161/...cabaaa79_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7384/...63206719_b.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4075/...3df8b197_b.jpg

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/808/4...9ecec04b_c.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1754/...a80ddb3a_c.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7248/...dae2d3a746.jpg

Terrific array of Matty items, Jeff. Particularly like the Factoryville home postcard. Just gets you thinking about life in those halcyon deadball days.

http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...ville%20PA.JPG

Some amazing cards in this thread thus far, especially Mattys and Youngs. Still hoping to see more Alexanders.

The E122 Am. Caramel WaJo is much tougher (combined pop reports - 8) than either series (80 or 120) of the E121 Am Caramel WaJo.

T330-2 Matty

Hi Val
I've taken the liberty of including Eddie Plank. There has to be at least one southpaw in this mix [who is in the same class as your 4 right-handers].

I hope you don't mind, ole buddy.


There are only 5 (or perhaps 6) T206 Plank cards with the SWEET CAPORAL 150, Factory #30 back.


http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...nkSC150x30.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...SC150x30xb.jpg


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Cy playing with the local team right after retiring.

As shown is the Rush thread...Leon's former card ;)

Ted, Eddie Plank was gertainly a great pitcher, but I would have included Lefty Grove before I included Plank. FYI, the reason I included Alexander instead of Grove (or Plank) is that I felt he enabled my group of 4 great pitchers to best correspond to the time period represented by the 4 great hitters in the other thread.

WaJo's hands-at-chest pose is tougher than his pitching pose in the 1921 E121-80 American Caramel set. Based on the pop reports, there are likely 20 or more of these h-a-c poses in existence. However, the majority of them would have Type 1 backs (there are 4 back types - see Rhett Y.'s super article in Issue #26 of Old Cardboard Magazine). The Type 4 back is scarce, and furthermore, the back printing on mine reads from bottom-to-top, whereas the back printing on most E121-80s reads from top-to-bottom. Below is my Type 1 back (PSA 2) followed by my Type 4 back (SGC 60):

Speaking about Johnson (hands-at-chest)....here is his T206 from my all-SOVEREIGN set. It's pop report data is about 20 (+/- 2).
Whatever, it still qualifies being posted here, as it is a good-looking card with the colorful "apple-green" back.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign350.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...0xP460x50b.jpg



TED Z

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What a great cabinet card! John Thorn made a post about that image before. It makes sense that it would have been produced in 1889, or even before, when Young was playing semi-pro baseball in Uhrichsville.

1912 RPPC in Galveston, Texas

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I don't think there's a single Grover on here yet, so I'm posting my Oxford Confectionery even though it doesn't quite fit the criteria.

http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/...pswnow870c.jpg

Thanks Rob and Love that Matty PC Jim.

Stephen, thanks for showing Alexander some love. Actually, there is a D381 of Alexander shown earlier in Post #34.

W575-1 cards with the Henry A. Johnson backstamp are scarce. Almost all that are known have a purple backstamp (I'm still looking for a WaJo). A very, very few have been found with a turquoise-color backstamp and a different address, as seen on this WaJo. I have also included a card (not a WaJo) with the purple backstamp for comparison.

Dapper Walter....rppc proof

http://luckeycards.com/barrb.jpg

My favorite Mathewson I've owned. This M116 is just an amazing portrait. But then again all of these cards always make me drool . Even the graded 1s always Catherine my eyehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f926749c8b.jpg

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I suspect folks are getting tired of seeing black & white WaJo cards with the hands-at-chest pose (but, I love this pose!), so I'll show my last two such cards in the same post. The combined pop reports show seven H801-8 Boston Store cards and eight E135 Collins-McCarthy cards. Anyone willing to part with a WaJo card with the h-a-c pose that I haven't posted in this thread, kindly email me at ekehl333@aol.com.

Val, if you had more, I'd say keep those posts coming! Nothing quite like seeing rare cards!

As you know, I'm partial to a similar hands-at-chest pose. :)

Steve, do you mean ones like this? :D:);)

Love those W600's! And Jeff your 14 CJ Matty is just insane.

Here's a couple photos

Cy Young....85 years old (circa 1952 NYC gathering of some great Oldtimer's)


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TED Z

T206 Reference
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Yes, just like that! ;)

My favorite T206 Matty pose.

Finding his SOVEREIGN 150 card....as Ringo Starr once sang...."It Don't Come Easy".

This card's combined pop report #'s equal approximately 20.



http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign150.jpg . http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ereign150b.jpg


TED Z

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A.J. I LOVE that early Matty!!

The combined pop reports for the W503 card of WaJo show 2 (mine is raw). Interestingly, the original photo used for this card was sold in the very recent RMY Auction, although there was no mention of this in the lot description - here's the link: https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=34378 Unfortunately, I was merely an underbidder for this photo.

The ever more rare variation, the PSA E121 holdered E122.
Attachment 319627

... and E220
Attachment 319628

Since everyone has thoroughly enjoyed seeing (or maybe not) my black & white, real-photo cards of WaJo with the hands-at-chest pose, I assume you are anxious to see b & w, real-photo cards of WaJo with the pitching pose! :D

There aren't any of this card listed in the pop reports:

Wonderful card, Val. Here is a WD Boyce Co./W575-1 Alexander and a few others in the scan.

Leon, thanks for the kind words and for showing Alexander some love. Here's another 1-of-1 WaJo with his pitching pose, per the pop reports:

Matty & WaJo
 

Lovely stuff everyone!!! Such great eye candy!

1901 Police Gazette Supplement:

https://photos.imageevent.com/derekg...0Mathewson.jpg

1914 Piedmont Art Stamps:

https://photos.imageevent.com/derekg...ewson%2025.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/derekg...5%20_back_.jpg
https://photos.imageevent.com/derekg...hnson%2042.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/derekg...2%20_back_.jpg