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I just got back some cards from SGC and 2 card labels don't match anything I can find in Beckett. Can anyone help?

This is listed as "1928 York Caramel E210 #59 Lloyd Waner" (I found this set listed but #59 isn't Waner)

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/paleymets/1928yc59.jpg

This card is listed as "1937 Goudey Wide Pen R314 Bobby Doerr" (should this be 1936?)

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/paleymets/1937gwp1.jpg

Thanks for your help

Dan

I'm sure that someone will chime in... I believe that there are four different variations of the Wide Pens... Look for the "Old Cardboard" link near the top of the net54 page... "Old Cardboard" is a great resource for vintage baseball cards...

On a side note, it appears that Doerr's last name is spelled incorrectly on the card itself... It appears to be spelled "Doeer"... I wonder if they ever corrected that error?

I believe that the Doerr "Wide Pen" is a Type 4 which is a 1937 issue according to the SCD Standard Catalog. Type 3s are listed as a 1936 issue and Doerr is not in that set. The SCD also lists Lloyd Waner as #59 in the Type 2 1927 York Caramel set. You may have been looking at the 1927 Type 1 set in which #59 is Bob Shawkey. Hope that helps.

Jeff

What's on the back of the Waner card?

His 1928 Yuengling's Ice Cream card is #59, could it be that? They have "SAVE THESE PICTURES" across the top of the landscaped back. I think Yuengling cards are the same size as the York Caramels. Both are black and white cards. A fella just shouldn't get carried away with the idea that 3pg folks get 'em all correct.

And, consider getting a Standard Catalog. Even if you get one every other year, or so. Also, Mr. Lipset's Encyclopedia would be a big help to you.

It defintly isnt Lloyd. I had a reprint of that card that i got signed by him and he signed it"paul waner by lloyd waner".

It's Paul on a York Type 2 that is misidentified on the card as L. Waner; similar mug shot is on his PC Back Exhibit. It isn't a Yeungling; they are rescreens of the York artwork and have a dirty looking grayish box around the name instead of being on a clean background.

http://photos.imageevent.com/exhibit.../Waner%203.jpg

Regarding the Lloyd Waner card...Adam is correct that it is from the tougher "Type 2" E210 set, also referred to as the glossy York caramels as they tend to have a glossy sheen to them. However, the easiest way to tell a Type 1 from a Type 2 is the direction of print on back. Do a search on this site and you will find a few threads where we have discussed the sets before.

Regarding the Doerr...he is actually one of the subjects that helped to re-date the R314 "Creamy" set all the versions were once dated 1936. Doerr didn't begin his major league career until 1937 so that is how we know that that set was produced in 1937 at the earliest, so the date on the slab is correct.

-Rhett

Regarding the Waner; do you think SGC should designate "Type 2" on the flip? I think it would be a good idea to distinguish one from the other.

Rob

Rob, I assume you meant E210 Waner Type 2 and not R314 Doerr. A theory is that the E210-1 (Type 1 set) was a 1927 issue and the E210-2 (or Type 2 set) was a 1928 issue, so maybe they didn't feel the need to add the type b/c they do have it dated 1928 but I would prefer to see either "Type 2" or "E210-2' on the flip as that has always been the way to distinguish the sets.

Yup, I did mean the Waner. Thanks for the response Rhett.

Rob

Also, while we are on the subject of these cards I want to point out that NOT ALL Yuengling's are the re-screened image that you commonly see. There are two versions of the Yuengling's set that are different in the following ways (I'm calling them Type 1 & 2 but have never seen them referred to as one or the other anywhere else, so it isn't a classified difference like is noted on the E210 Type 1 & 2's)...

Type 1 (a bit more common)--has a re-screened image of the cards with that dirty gray box around the name. Also note that these cards' backs have an offer for a $5.00 skooter at bottom.

Type 2 (a bit tougher to find and a bit nicer looking)--not re-screened image (sans gray box), the back does NOT have the $5.00 skooter ad.

Example on ebay of a Type 1:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1928-Yuenglings-...pt=US_Baseball

Example on ebay of a Type 2:
http://cgi.ebay.com/1928-Yuenglings-...pt=US_Baseball

On the 1937 Doerr, one way to differentiate the type 4 is that there is no "Litho in USA" in the lower corner, since Type 4 "creamy" stock paper was used for the Canadian issued set for '37. The reason I know this is because I just went through the same thing with the Carl Hubbell last month.

Thanks gents