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Posted By: <b>Jim/jverri01</b><p>I would LOVE to hear what y'all think about this posting. It is described as faded, but - hmmm. Although it does appear washed out - it also has a certain amount of detail retained in the facial image. If colors fade, do they not fade consistently? I am not familiar with the CJ production process, I only observe the similarity between this card and many of the T206 proofs and ink/dye error cards I have seen. It is interesting to look at if nothing else! What do you folks think? Is this just faded? It does look warped, as though it has been soaked - but, wouldn't that have affected ALL colors? Please look, please remark. THANKS. <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1809249053" target=_new>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1809249053</a>

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Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>Big time , bleach job i believe.

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Posted By: <b>HalleyGator</b><p><BR>the seller WAS able to get rid of that unsightly caramel stain!!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>It must be a proof! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <BR><BR>Right, Mr. Forrest?

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>The pressman obviously presented the originally requested "bleached" version of Baker, which was rejected as looking too "ghostly" (even for baker). The customer admitted that his original request that all cards be bleached after printing was not a good idea, and this resulted in the nice CJ's we all love so much.

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Posted By: <b>HalleyGator</b><p><BR>I must admit that if I were a kid and I pulled something like THAT out of a box of Cracker Jack ... it would scare me away from the tasty treats FOREVER!!

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>The object of bleaching is to get rid of stains, not color. I think it fell in a bathtub, or a rain gutter, which nobody remembered to empty or clean out for about a month. This card is the result of a bad accident, not intentional messing around.<BR> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>RBCraik</b><p>Julie,<BR>Are you involved with Landmark?

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>Check the Goudey pics in Wayne Varner's Shoebox catalog, advertised as bleached.

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>I keep waitring for my cleanest 1914s to fall apart. but so far, they';re just clean. What is Landmark?<BR>

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>I have seen other cards that exhibit a similiar appearance. This Cracker Jack has been exposed to either moisture or a large amount of humidity over an extended period of time.

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Posted By: <b>HalleyGator</b><p><BR>...but I agree with the "scary proof" theory.<BR><BR>I think Cracker Jack's competitor (Caramel Corn?) tried to slip a few hundred of these "ghost cards" into Cracker Jack boxes to scare all the kids into eating Caramel Corn.

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Posted By: <b>runscott</b><p>ha ha

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>This is truely a first!<BR><BR>The reason I said water damage is that I've seen a lot of pieces of cadboard that have been floating in water for a long time, and this is what they look like. If you say bleach does the same thing, so be it. But this card has been totlly submerged--who would do that with bleach? And, as someione didn't point out, the stain is still there.<BR><BR>Nobody has told me what Landmark is, but it's probably one of those **** grading companies. I hate them all, even SGC, who do a pretty good job as a rule. I just don't want to collect plastic holders, that's all. And, I like to smell and touch my cards from time to time. If I can't find an ungraded card that I want, I'll buy a graded one, and liberate it immediately, even at the loss of half its "value."<BR><BR>Landmark? With all that business about the three linen tablecloths (under "what do you do with your cards?" and smoking, I expected to be accused of being a management person for Brown and Williamson (the company "The Insider" worked for). <BR><BR> Julie <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>Halleygator --<BR><BR>If anything, these cards would have been surreptitiously inserted into the Cracker Jack boxes by competitors to scare kids <b><i>away</i></b> from eating caramel corn.

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>The reason Julie and I know is because we are both (secretly) floating cardboard connoisseurs.