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Posted By: <b>t-205</b><p>I saw this auction. the box says factory 42 but the card says factory 25. does this make sense?<br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-Piedmont-Cigarette-Full-Pack-T206-Baseball-Card_W0QQitemZ290047802264QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4120Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-Piedmont-Cigarette-Full-Pack-T206-Baseball-Card_W0QQitemZ290047802264QQihZ019QQcategoryZ4120Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>The original card from pack is long gone. He is just adding a "Chance" with the opend pack, hence the title. I think some of the bidders didnt figure this fact out. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>While the listing does not state that the card came out of the box it certainly "implies" it. His bad.

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Posted By: <b>t-205</b><p>exactly, thats why to me it didnt make sense at all <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>. nice pack though factory 42!

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Rule of thumb for eBay is don't assume something that the seller doesn't say. <br />If the seller doesn't say the card came from the pack, don't assume it did.<br />When the card comes from the pack, don't worry, the seller will let you know.

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>I emailed the seller on day 1 of the auction to tell him it is IMPOSSIBLE that his box is from 1909, too - and he never changed the auction. It's a disgrace and dishonest. If you notice, the box says Ligget & Meyers at the bottom. Funny thing is, the American Tobacco Company wasn't split until 1911, so its a miracle of science that this box dates from 1909. Also, the ONLY 1911 Piedmonts that had the L+M designation were out of factory 25. So, this box is from 1912-1914, after the t-206 production.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>ROUTINELY takes LOTS of liberty in his descriptions......

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Still doesn't explain the bidding. Even if the Chance came from that pack of<br />cigs, the price should still only = (value of round courned Chance) + (value <br />of opened cigarette pack). The same as a shoebox card collection = (value of<br />cards) + (value of empty shoe box).