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ullmandds 02-03-2014 03:06 PM

Soaking question
 
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Does anyone know if soaking an exhibit card could "cure" something like this? See ridiculously large image below.

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 02-03-2014 03:16 PM

It might help some but I don't know if you could totally eliminate the wave.

glchen 02-03-2014 03:45 PM

I'd try to soak it and put it under a stack of heavy books for a while.

Cardboard Junkie 02-03-2014 04:00 PM

Just wondering if "soakers" are aware that soaking a card will change the ph of the cardboard and accelerate pyrolysis? Paper conservators always add certain chemicals to their soaking solutions to reduce this effect.

ullmandds 02-03-2014 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie (Post 1236243)
Just wondering if "soakers" are aware that soaking a card will change the ph of the cardboard and accelerate pyrolysis? Paper consevators always add certain chemicals to their soaking solutions to reduce this effect.

Seriously? Pyrolysis? Are you making this sh$t up?

Cardboard Junkie 02-03-2014 04:11 PM

Absolutely not making it up. (lots of videos on youtube about paper conservation by professionals) check them out.

buymycards 02-03-2014 04:17 PM

?
 
I had pyrolysis once, but I am cured now.

Tim Kindler 02-03-2014 04:36 PM

Pyrolysis cure
 
I believe the problem can be taken care of with a little blue pill or laying in an old bathtub next to your mate.
Good luck with your issue:p
Tim

frankbmd 02-03-2014 04:45 PM

Pyrolysis.......
 
is destabilization related to heat. As long as you don't soak your cards near your stash of firecrackers, you should be okay. If not, then you are using the pyro-technique and all bets are off.

Bocabirdman 02-03-2014 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Kindler (Post 1236257)
I believe the problem can be taken care of with a little blue pill or laying in an old bathtub next to your mate.
Good luck with your issue:p
Tim

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Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1236260)
is destabilization related to heat. As long as you don't soak your cards near your stash of firecrackers, you should be okay. If not, then you are using the pyro-technique and all bets are off.

Getting in a bath tub next to the wife GIVES me pyro-whatchamacallit. I generally get hot and destabilized. I can see where that could be a problem for cardboard.:):D

CardboardCollector 02-03-2014 06:04 PM

Damn, I have been soaking in the tub with my cards for years and always end up with wrinkles.

:eek:

Leon 02-04-2014 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1236245)
Seriously? Pyrolysis? Are you making this sh$t up?

No, he isn't making the term up. But it seems as long as you don't boil, or ignite, your cards you should be ok.


From Wiki-

Pyrolysis is a type of thermolysis, and is most commonly observed in organic materials exposed to high temperatures. It is one of the processes involved in charring wood, starting at 200–300 °C (390–570 °F),.

I would also not recommend grilling, baking or frying your cards :).

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ullmandds 02-04-2014 09:29 AM

I didn't infer he was making up the word...I looked it up too as I'm not that smart and just didn't think it was relevant to soaking bb cards!!!!

On the topic at hand...I soaked the exhibit...employed Frank's technique for drying and my card has been restored to Christopher Columbus's rendition of the earth...FLAT!

I will post pic when I remove it from the "press!"


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Originally Posted by Leon (Post 1236543)
No, he isn't making the term up. But it seems as long as you don't boil, or ignite, your cards you should be ok.


From Wiki-

Pyrolysis is a type of thermolysis, and is most commonly observed in organic materials exposed to high temperatures. It is one of the processes involved in charring wood, starting at 200–300 °C (390–570 °F),.

I would also not recommend grilling, baking or frying your cards :).

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ullmandds 02-04-2014 09:30 AM

but I suppose if I weren't so ADD...and took a minute to think about it...I could have inferred pyro=fire lysis=to break apart.

frankbmd 02-04-2014 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1236561)
I didn't infer he was making up the word...I looked it up too as I'm not that smart and just didn't think it was relevant to soaking bb cards!!!!

On the topic at hand...I soaked the exhibit...employed Frank's technique for drying and my card has been restored to Christopher Columbus's rendition of the earth...FLAT!

I will post pic when I remove it from the "press!"

;):)

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 02-04-2014 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1236562)
but I suppose if I weren't so ADD...and took a minute to think about it...I could have inferred pyro=fire lysis=to break apart.

Don't bring that Latin speak over here. We only speak American!

Ego ludens feci

Cardboard Junkie 02-04-2014 10:02 AM

Evidently you fellows need a refresher in physics 101.
Heat is the total amount of kinetic energy due to molecular motion in a body of matter.
"Heat" doesn't have to be HOT. Does not have to be firecrackers or boiling water. A temp higher than absolute zero is heat!
Therefore, put simply the "normal" degradation of matter can be speeded up after changing the ph of the substance. Soaking a card in water changes the cards ph...making it susceptable (sp)to rapid degradation.
I'm not a teacher...look it up...ask a professional paper conservator..not some guy who does it in their basement.
As an aside, I have heard the best substance for erasing graphite is a balled up piece of white bread. I haven't tried it yet but I saw a video and it looked like it worked very well without the abrasion that takes place with art erasers.
Cheers.

ullmandds 02-04-2014 10:07 AM

The U of MD at baltimore...where I attended dental college...did not require physics as a pre-req...when I received the news I got in...I dropped physics like a hot potato!!!!! Thanks for the lesson, Dave...and a possible use for wonder bread!

Ease 02-04-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie (Post 1236577)
As an aside, I have heard the best substance for erasing graphite is a balled up piece of white bread. I haven't tried it yet but I saw a video and it looked like it worked very well without the abrasion that takes place with art erasers.
Cheers.

Got to try this, don't have any white bread at the moment though. Nice nugget there DP.

Cardboard Junkie 02-04-2014 10:24 AM

Peace, and Cheers, :). Dave.

GoldenAge50s 02-04-2014 06:15 PM

Leon--
 
I would also not recommend grilling, baking or frying your cards .

So wrapping them in aluminum foil & into the microwave for a while is OK?:rolleyes:

ullmandds 02-04-2014 09:21 PM

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Voila!

Cardboard Junkie 02-04-2014 09:26 PM

Well, It sure do look good!:)

I Only Smoke 4 the Cards 02-05-2014 06:34 AM

Wow that turned out great.

Tim Kindler 02-05-2014 07:35 AM

Stiff as a board!
 
Pete,
The bathtubs worked out well. Stiff as a board!
Tim

D.P.Johnson 02-05-2014 08:34 AM

You appear to have nice toes...:)...

John V 02-05-2014 08:55 AM

Hardly any pyrolysis!

4815162342 02-05-2014 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by John V (Post 1236983)
Hardly any pyrolysis!


My scientifically-calibrated bullometer concurs with your assessment.

LOL!

ullmandds 02-05-2014 09:44 AM

I countered the pyrolytic effects by using some ted williams dna that had been cryogenically preserved...works every time!!!!

frankbmd 02-05-2014 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1237020)
I countered the pyrolytic effects by using some ted williams dna that had been cryogenically preserved...works every time!!!!


You may have accelerated the pyrolytic effects, Pete.:eek::eek: I would definitely plan on selling that card before April 23, 2615.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Paul S 02-05-2014 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds (Post 1237020)
I countered the pyrolytic effects by using some ted williams dna that had been cryogenically preserved...works every time!!!!

Did you sever the top of the card, drop it, and have it crack on the floor?

Leon 02-05-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 4815162342 (Post 1237007)
My scientifically-calibrated bullometer concurs with your assessment.

LOL!

LMAO...... "bullometer" ........I am stealing that one..

Cardboard Junkie 02-05-2014 10:14 AM

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Bullometer???


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