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frankbmd 11-18-2017 07:52 AM

Should Alabama Be Disqualified from the CFP .......
 
.....for scheduling a game with Mercer (???) in week 12? C’mon man.

Will an 83-0 win by the Tide impress anyone?

Years ago when schedules were lengthened to include more out of conference games, one could make a case perhaps for starting the season with a couple of cream puffs to fine tune the offense or defense and look at some of the younger players in live game situations, but scheduling Mercer in week 12 is indefensible.

I realize that schedules are completed years in advance, but I’m not aware of any predictions in the last decade suggesting that Mercer would be a ranked team in 2017.

I also do not understand why anyone in their right mind would want to attend such a game. Even the frat boys who celebrate each touchdown with a round of beer will either be gone or unconscious by halftime.

I would like to congratulate all the Alabama fans on their victory today before the opening kickoff. Roll Tide.

I also realize that Appalachian State beat Michigan in one of these mismatch games a few years ago, but then again it was only Michigan. Right Peter.:D

pawpawdiv9 11-18-2017 09:01 AM

Totally agree!
Just like Clemson playing Citadel as well!!!!
These teams could play teams like Ga Southern, South Alabama, Troy etc.
that ARE in the division.

Runscott 11-18-2017 11:17 AM

The thinking is that with all the tough games at the end of the extended season, especially for Alabama which counts on going all the way to the championship game, a game like Mercer allows for fine-tuning and rest of some players.

KMayUSA6060 11-18-2017 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1721437)
The thinking is that with all the tough games at the end of the extended season, especially for Alabama which counts on going all the way to the championship game, a game like Mercer allows for fine-tuning and rest of some players.

Tough $#%!.

These big schools have ZERO cojones. They schedule games like this in week 12, and refuse to play smaller schools away from the comforts of their own stadium. Ridiculous. There needs to be penalties for crap like this.

frankbmd 11-18-2017 12:34 PM

56-0

Tide only needs 27 more in the last 11 minutes.:eek:

drcy 11-18-2017 12:46 PM

In defence of scheduling cupcakes, I think there are a limited number of good teams you pick from, plus the schedules are often make a number of years ahead and a particular year may have been solid at the time. Whether or not they are horrid now, teams such as Western Michigan and Northern Illinois are actually ranked and go to bowls once in while.

frankbmd 11-18-2017 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drcy (Post 1721464)
In defence of scheduling cupcakes, I think there are a limited number of good teams you pick from, plus the schedules are often make a number of years ahead and a particular year may have been solid at the time. Whether or not they are horrid now, teams such as Western Michigan and Northern Illinois are actually ranked and go to bowls once in while.

Alabama couldn't do better Mercer. C'mon man.

KMayUSA6060 11-18-2017 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drcy (Post 1721464)
In defence of scheduling cupcakes, I think there are a limited number of good teams you pick from, plus the schedules are often make a number of years ahead and a particular year may have been solid at the time. Whether or not they are horrid now, teams such as Western Michigan and Northern Illinois are actually ranked and go to bowls once in while.

Why not play these "cupcakes" away from their home stadium? Home/Away is affected by being scheduled out 3-4 years in advance.

drcy 11-18-2017 01:23 PM

Catalogue it as a defence in cases, not an umbrella defence.

I think Mercer has a good basketball team sometimes. Of course, so does Marquette and I don't think they have a football team.

I'm a Wisconsin Badgers fan and and miffed they schedule patsies such as Michigan and Iowa ;)

bravos4evr 11-18-2017 01:56 PM

The little schools come begging for this as they might make more $$$ in one game against a powerhouse than they will the entire rest of the season combined.

edjs 11-18-2017 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bravos4evr (Post 1721483)
The little schools come begging for this as they might make more $$$ in one game against a powerhouse than they will the entire rest of the season combined.

This is what I was going to say. It is a big boon to the small school, and they couldn't do this at the home of the small school, they probably don't have the resources to host a game like this. My college's football stadium wasn't much different than my high school's.

steve B 11-18-2017 05:14 PM

Yep, that's what it really is, a nice "present" to the smaller school. Both to the program financially, and in some ways to the players. The players from the small school get to maybe play against some really top talent, and that's usually a cool experience.

I think a certain number of games like that should be required for all the upper division schools.

Dad didn't play football, but ran track. He qualified for a major meet that included some world class runners. In at least some of the heats the barely qualifying runners raced against the world class runners. Except there was a handicap for the better runners. He said it was amazing, and he ran his best time trying to not get overtaken despite the handicap.

1952boyntoncollector 11-18-2017 05:57 PM

Bama plays in SEC and plays the SEC championship..

every team guns for them and gives them their best.....playing mercer is fine given their whole schedule..

clydepepper 11-18-2017 06:12 PM

Final Score (and nobody cares):

Florida State 77
Delaware State 6


(if their quarterback had not gotten hurt against Alabama and the team had stayed in contention throughout the season, just imagine how many folks would care about THIS cupcake game.)

Runscott 11-19-2017 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bravos4evr (Post 1721483)
The little schools come begging for this as they might make more $$$ in one game against a powerhouse than they will the entire rest of the season combined.

Yes, multiple reasons for playing these games, and no reason not to other than non-Alabama fan anger.

nolemmings 11-19-2017 03:25 PM

never mind

frankbmd 11-19-2017 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1721786)
Yes, multiple reasons for playing these games, and no reason not to other than non-Alabama fan anger.

Alabama was just an example this week. Non-competitive games to fill the coffers of small schools can legitimately be challenged regardless of the participants and all the big schools participate in this endeavor. I like competitive college football, but watching a game that is 63-0 in the third quarter just doesn't turn me on.

So I love college football, but according to Runscott I hate Alabama and all the other teams that play in these games, which includes all the top 25 Division ! schools and more.

Therefore, I love college football and I hate all the teams that play it.

Boy am I a weird dude?

Orioles1954 11-20-2017 09:18 AM

Not a big issue. It used to be that cupcakes were player during the first two weeks of a season. Several schools are now scheduling them toward the end to rest players. I think it's smart and not a big deal. Alabama's current strength of schedule is 22 and will raise once they play Auburn and in the SEC Title game.

Runscott 11-20-2017 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd (Post 1721901)
Alabama was just an example this week. Non-competitive games to fill the coffers of small schools can legitimately be challenged regardless of the participants and all the big schools participate in this endeavor. I like competitive college football, but watching a game that is 63-0 in the third quarter just doesn't turn me on.

So I love college football, but according to Runscott I hate Alabama and all the other teams that play in these games, which includes all the top 25 Division ! schools and more.

Therefore, I love college football and I hate all the teams that play it.

Boy am I a weird dude?

Your straw man logic is certainly weird, but par for the internet.

I agree with your second sentence; however, you used Alabama as your example and that's what I responded to. A final-4 contender scheduling a cupcake right before the tough stretch at the end of the season is very different from a non-contender scheduling cupcakes at the beginning of the season. Also, scheduling such games at the beginning of the season can hurt a team's rankings, as I'm sure you know.

I understand the appeal of using a straw man when someone disagrees with you, but I probably agree with your thoughts on how teams use these games early in the season. If you want more back-patting, express your outrage over teams like Wisconsin complaining about being undefeated and ranked fifth, while scheduling cupcake games early in their schedule.

Runscott 11-20-2017 10:32 AM

Frank, I wanted to add that I would probably be considered an 'Alabama hater' - I root against them every game, even when it would help my own team out. I can't help it. I also hate the weeks when there is no good football to watch because of all the cupcake games. I really wish they wouldn't schedule such games.

As a college student, I hated the home games where we played these terrible teams; however, our school tradition dictated that we kiss our date after each score, so it all worked out.

Orioles1954 11-20-2017 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1722034)
Express your outrage over teams like Wisconsin complaining about being undefeated and ranked fifth, while scheduling cupcake games early in their schedule.


Wisconsin is definitely known for cupcakes but Florida Atlantic is a decent team and who could have known that BYU would be so terrible? Regardless, they are on the outside looking in right now.

minibatsman 11-21-2017 12:39 PM

Bama
 
They opened the season as they have for the past 7 years . against FS it was at the time the game of the year. winner is in. Bama opens every year against a top ranked team out of conference. most of the SEC does.
just for a discussion the SEC is down this year. do you really believe that any other team in the country could play a SEC schedule and go undefeated?.
injuries are the reason every team has some cup cake games.
Either way I love collage football. it will work out. ROLE TIDE ROLE.
Don't hate the teams love the games that you are about to watch for the remainder of the season. I hope your team wins as long as they don't play BAMA.

frankbmd 11-21-2017 03:34 PM

I would certainly put Wisconsin in the same basket with Alabama, Ohio State and all the other big schools that have cupcakes. A few years back Wisconsin played mighty Wofford. These games are really a scrimmage rather than a contest.

A few coaches however seem more obsessed than others and exhibit this tendency in the cupcake games when they seem to feel they will be considered more favorably if the winning margin is 80 rather than 60. Urban and Nick come to mind, but there are others.

minibatsman 11-22-2017 07:26 AM

2nd string
 
I cant argue the 60 point games against whoever. its a big deal for these small programs financially and for the players to play in these games. and as I said larger teams need these games. also To heal up and tune up for lets say the IRON BOWL but when the second and third string get a chance to play . there going to do as much as they can. if it wasn't for these leads they wouldn't play a single down the entire year. 30 of the 60 points were from the second string.
I think this is how big programs build years of success instead of like AUBURNs one and done seasons. WAR EAGLE.

last weekend there was some good games. Miami was a good one . there is like 50 games change the channel.

clydepepper 11-25-2017 05:54 PM

I sure wouldn't want to be on that committee now...

that both #1 and #2 have lost...

and they almost have to have a 2-loss team ( Auburn) in the top 4...assuming they beat 10-1 Georgia again next week in the SEC championship.


or does UCF have a chance, since they, along with Wisconsin are the only unbeaten teams left?

If Ohio State, another 2-loss team, beats Wisconsin in their championship game....do they get in?

Assuming Clemson wins tonight, they would likely become #1 with Oklahoma #2.

How far do 11-1 Alabama and 10-1 Miami drop?

What a nightmare!

Isn't it a great thing that we now have the playoffs to straighten every thing out? LOL

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frankbmd 11-25-2017 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 1723683)
I sure wouldn't want to be on that committee now...

that both #1 and #2 have lost...

and they almost have to have a 2-loss team ( Auburn) in the top 4...assuming they beat 10-1 Georgia again next week in the SEC championship.


or does UCF have a chance, since they, along with Wisconsin are the only unbeaten teams left?

If Ohio State, another 2-loss team, beats Wisconsin in their championship game....do they get in?

Assuming Clemson wins tonight, they would likely become #1 with Oklahoma #2.

How far do 11-1 Alabama and 10-1 Miami drop?

What a nightmare!

Isn't it a great thing that we now have the playoffs to straighten every thing out? LOL

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A case could be made for bringing that old computer out of the closet. I'm not a big fan of AI running my life, but is a human committee really any better at picking the best four teams to go forward? If we go to 8 teams and another round, is picking the eighth team going to be any easier than picking the fourth? NO!

Whoever makes the selections, man or HAL, there is going to be a lot of criticism and unhappy folks.

I like Wisconsin over UCF in the national finals and I'll cover the spread.

Going back to the original post in this thread, I guess Alabama's schedule leading up to the Auburn game was just too tough. I underestimated the Mercer effect.:D

pawpawdiv9 11-26-2017 08:38 AM

Bleacher Reports is projecting this:
•1. Clemson (Last week: 2)
•T-1. Oklahoma (3)
•3. Auburn (6)
•4. Wisconsin (5)
•5. Alabama (1)
•6. Georgia (7)
•7. Miami (4)
•8. UCF (9)
•9. Ohio State (8)
•10. Penn State (12)
•11. TCU (11)
•12. USC (13)
•13. Washington (15)
•14. Stanford (14)
•15. Oklahoma State (23)
•16. LSU (18)
•17. Michigan State (22)
•18. Notre Dame (10)
•19. Memphis (17)
•20. Northwestern (19)
•21. Washington State (16)
•22. Virginia Tech (NR)
•23. Mississippi State (20)
•24. Florida Atlantic (NR)
•25. San Diego State (25)


I was expecting Alabama behind UGA, since they were ranked ahead of Bama before losing to Auburn, but assume they are looking how both teams faced Auburn.

bravos4evr 11-26-2017 05:00 PM

It's gonna break down like this :

winner of Clemson and Miami- IN

winner of Wisconsin and Ohio State- In

winner of Georgia and Auburn- In

Oklahoma- IN

I mean I could see a scenario where Miami ,Ohio State and Georgia all win and Miami or Ohio State is left out for Bama... but that's probably unlikely to happen

bobbyw8469 11-26-2017 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bravos4evr (Post 1723925)
It's gonna break down like this :

winner of Clemson and Miami- IN

winner of Wisconsin and Ohio State- In

winner of Georgia and Auburn- In

Oklahoma- IN

I mean I could see a scenario where Miami ,Ohio State and Georgia all win and Miami or Ohio State is left out for Bama... but that's probably unlikely to happen


Nick Saban said it best....it's a shame that the ONE game is gonna decide Alabama's fate......the committee has a mess on their hands.

bravos4evr 11-26-2017 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 1723938)
Nick Saban said it best....it's a shame that the ONE game is gonna decide Alabama's fate......the committee has a mess on their hands.

IMO, if you lose your division and don't even play for your conference championship you should be eliminated from consideration.


I'd prefer if they went to 8 conferences and took the conference champions into an 8 team tournament. No voting, no committee, no polls.


I mean, how could Bama argue they deserve to be there if Clemson, Ohio State , Oklahoma all win (obviously the SEC winner is going to be in) when they didn't even have to play the extra championship game?

the 'stache 11-26-2017 10:14 PM

Every team plays an occasional cupcake. In the last three years, Wisconsin has played LSU twice, and Alabama, out of conference. And for those of you complaining about Wisconsin's strength of schedule this year, when BYU was scheduled, they were a 10-3 team. They've beaten two top 25 teams, and to get to the National Championship, they'll have to knock off a strong #7 Ohio State team.

Last year, Wisconsin was 11-3. Six of their fourteen games were against top 10 ranked opponents (#5 LSU, #8 Michigan State, #4 Michigan, #2 Ohio State, #7 Nebraska, #8 Penn State), and they beat #12 Western Michigan in the Cotton Bowl. Hardly a cupcake schedule.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orioles1954 (Post 1722048)
Wisconsin is definitely known for cupcakes but Florida Atlantic is a decent team and who could have known that BYU would be so terrible? Regardless, they are on the outside looking in right now.


Peter_Spaeth 11-27-2017 08:39 AM

OSU beats Wisconsin easily.

bobbyw8469 11-27-2017 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bravos4evr (Post 1723953)
IMO, if you lose your division and don't even play for your conference championship you should be eliminated from consideration.


I'd prefer if they went to 8 conferences and took the conference champions into an 8 team tournament. No voting, no committee, no polls.


I mean, how could Bama argue they deserve to be there if Clemson, Ohio State , Oklahoma all win (obviously the SEC winner is going to be in) when they didn't even have to play the extra championship game?

Agreed..Alabama's loss couldn't have come at a worse time...but still....It is only ONE LOSS....to the #6 ranked team.....While Clemson lost to unranked Syracuse.

pawpawdiv9 11-27-2017 02:28 PM

It depends where they place Bama....if its ahead of UGA,,they might get in ahead of Ohio St (if they beat Wisky)
If they are placed a tad lower, might as well say bye-bye-bye Bama.

frankbmd 11-27-2017 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1724051)
OSU beats Wisconsin easily.

Put your cards where your mouth is.

The Badgers are already soliciting photographers to man the OSU sidelines to injure their stars.

clydepepper 11-28-2017 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bravos4evr (Post 1723925)
It's gonna break down like this :

winner of Clemson and Miami- IN

winner of Wisconsin and Ohio State- In

winner of Georgia and Auburn- In

Oklahoma- IN


I mean I could see a scenario where Miami ,Ohio State and Georgia all win and Miami or Ohio State is left out for Bama... but that's probably unlikely to happen



You're right, Nick. It could be as simple as that. It would be hard to argue against it. IMO


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bobbyw8469 11-28-2017 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clydepepper (Post 1724524)
You're right, Nick. It could be as simple as that. It would be hard to argue against it. IMO


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Alabama picked the worst possible time to lose.....and their lone loss is against the highest ranked opponent they have faced. Meanwhile Clemson loses to Syracuse and gets in...go figure.

KCRfan1 11-28-2017 03:13 PM

I can't believe that most are okay with Ohio State potentially getting in as a 2 loss team. They weren't close losses either.

I'm good with Bama in as a 1 loss team. It's hard to go undefeated, and it doesn't matter to me when a loss occurs.

the 'stache 11-28-2017 07:02 PM

We shall see. Wisconsin's defense is no joke, and if JT Barrett isn't 100%, things could get ugly.

Any given Sun...er, Saturday. Wisconsin beat the snot out of an Iowa team that embarrassed OSU. Stranger things have happened, and this is not the team that OSU spanked in the BiG10 Championship in '14.

I would give a year of my life to see the Badgers destroy Ohio State. There are three teams I literally hate: the Minnesota Vikings, the Dallas Cowboys, and the Ohio State Buckeyes. Plus, I don't like the Michigan Wolverines, or the Miami Hurricanes much.

If the most beautiful woman I've ever seen wanted to marry me, and she was an Ohio State fan, I'd tell her to take a hike!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1724051)
OSU beats Wisconsin easily.


Runscott 11-28-2017 07:07 PM

removed.

the 'stache 11-28-2017 10:19 PM

Bama shouldn't be in, regardless. They've had a really easy schedule, and they haven't looked as good as they have in years past. Plus, playing Mercer in week 11? Come on. Talk about cake walks.

But the committee has a stiffy for the SEC.

Runscott 11-28-2017 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1724690)
Bama shouldn't be in, regardless. They've had a really easy schedule, and they haven't looked as good as they have in years past. Plus, playing Mercer in week 11? Come on. Talk about cake walks.

But the committee has a stiffy for the SEC.

Okay, I'll delete my post. Thanks for enlightening me.

the 'stache 11-29-2017 04:14 AM

Scott, I'm just providing my opinion. It just happens to differ from yours, though I respect it. No need to delete what you posted.

If it came across as know-it-all-esque, my apologies. I've had a rough few days here, and my fuse has been a bit short. It's all good. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runscott (Post 1724693)
Okay, I'll delete my post. Thanks for enlightening me.


KCRfan1 11-29-2017 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1724690)
Bama shouldn't be in, regardless. They've had a really easy schedule, and they haven't looked as good as they have in years past. Plus, playing Mercer in week 11? Come on. Talk about cake walks.

But the committee has a stiffy for the SEC.

Alabama's SoS is open for debate, however the SEC East is down this year ( as is the conference ) and each team does not play each other in the division each year. That's just scheduling and how the conference breaks it down.

I'm not going to penalize a team for playing a cupcake at the end of the season or reward them playing the same team at the beginning of the season. Nor will I penalize them for not " looking as good " as they have in previous years. They are still an 11-1 team, not 10-2 or 9-3, records of teams everyone seems to love.

Not a Bama homer here, MIZZOU thru and thru.

1952boyntoncollector 11-29-2017 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCRfan1 (Post 1724702)
Alabama's SoS is open for debate, however the SEC East is down this year ( as is the conference ) and each team does not play each other in the division each year. That's just scheduling and how the conference breaks it down.

I'm not going to penalize a team for playing a cupcake at the end of the season or reward them playing the same team at the beginning of the season. Nor will I penalize them for not " looking as good " as they have in previous years. They are still an 11-1 team, not 10-2 or 9-3, records of teams everyone seems to love.

Not a Bama homer here, MIZZOU thru and thru.

I also think with all things being equal. If i a team was ranked top 3 or whatever for a longer period of time versus another team with the exactly the same everything else, that the team ranked in top 3 or so gets the edge over the other team.

The reason being they were facing the best effort for a longer period of time from their opponents then the other team. This year Alabama every game was facing the best efforts of the season from many or all of their opponents.

The same cant be said for u. of miami/ UCF etc. Again, i just using this as a tiebreaker in the event everything else is even. I think Miami faced that with Pitt last week. If Miami plays Pitt 5 weeks ago, i dont think the pitt effort is the same. Bama deals with super effort against them every week.

Peter_Spaeth 11-29-2017 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the 'stache (Post 1724636)
We shall see. Wisconsin's defense is no joke, and if JT Barrett isn't 100%, things could get ugly.

Any given Sun...er, Saturday. Wisconsin beat the snot out of an Iowa team that embarrassed OSU. Stranger things have happened, and this is not the team that OSU spanked in the BiG10 Championship in '14.

I would give a year of my life to see the Badgers destroy Ohio State. There are three teams I literally hate: the Minnesota Vikings, the Dallas Cowboys, and the Ohio State Buckeyes. Plus, I don't like the Michigan Wolverines, or the Miami Hurricanes much.

If the most beautiful woman I've ever seen wanted to marry me, and she was an Ohio State fan, I'd tell her to take a hike!

I think it's highly unlikely any beautiful women are Ohio State fans.

frankbmd 11-29-2017 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1724821)
I think it's highly unlikely any beautiful women are Ohio State fans.

In Wisconsin bucks have buckeyes and nice racks.

pawpawdiv9 12-03-2017 09:10 AM

Now that Clemson, Okie, UGA & Ohio St (that's how I rank/put them)
That BAMA is left OUT!!!!!
Should be NO DOUBTS!!!!
Look back at last yr when Ohio St was left out and Penn St got in.
Cant eat your cake and toot the milk....rooty toot toot!!!

chaddurbin 12-03-2017 11:01 AM

Just go back to bcs or expand the playoffs...the committee cant help being sec bias since half the members have sec background.

58pinson 12-03-2017 11:11 AM

Unless my memory has vapor locked (a distinct possibility) Ohio State was hoisted over a higher ranked Penn State last year on the grounds that the committee felt they were the better team.

For my 2 cents Alabama should be in over Ohio State. We shall see.

A local sports radio big shot here in NY claimed during the week that on a neutral field Alabama would be favored over any other contenders. I think he's correct. They lost at a bad time. That doesn't translate to them necessarily being excluded in my opinion.

I'm a big UGA fan anyway. Been so only since 2012. Superstorm Sandy had walloped us in NJ and the power was out for 8 days by me. Was getting real chilly at night in the old farmhouse. Was sitting in the car at a local supermarket that somehow had power when a huge convoy of enormous white power utility trucks came rumbling down the street. Large black letters on the side GEORGIA POWER. Electric was back on with 30 minutes. The cavalry!
Go Dawgs.


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