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EYECOLLECTVINTAGE 11-03-2017 11:31 AM

Rochester Redwings Photo?
 
Ok so I am stumped on this photo.

It appears the 3rd baseman has a Red Wings jersey on.

I searched as hard as I could and all late 40's early 50's red wing uniforms seem to have a line underneath the name.

I then looked at #3 as the catcher, and the only #3 from 49-50's was Derry who was a Outfielder.

The runner going down the 1st base line looks like he could be wearing a Cardinals uniform, so maybe a spring training game?

Definitely 2 different teams as one teams sock has 3 stripes (Cardinals) and the other has 2 bigger stripes higher up.

Anyone wanna take a stab at this? The photo is blank on the back.

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/7g75d6vq.jpg

mikejanesphotography 11-03-2017 01:12 PM

Can you post close/higher res scans of the 3B and runner?

Know several people who know Red Wings history.

Butch7999 11-03-2017 01:17 PM

Need a way bigger, higher-res image to provide any help on this one -- current image blown up to three times its size starts to pixellate,
so the 3rd-baseman's jersey looks more like it says "Sun Kings" and the catcher's number looks more like a 9.
Also, not sure why you stopped at 1949 -- to us, pic looks like it could just as easily be late 1930s, and if it is Red Wings,
Rochester have used that nickname since 1928.

EYECOLLECTVINTAGE 11-03-2017 01:38 PM

How do I post a bigger photo? The photo I have is big but wont upload through the site.

mikejanesphotography 11-03-2017 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE (Post 1716599)
How do I post a bigger photo? The photo I have is big but wont upload through the site.

Size limits here, probably have to link it off a private server - I can add it to mine if want to email it mj@mikejanesphotography.com

Chris Counts 11-03-2017 06:35 PM

I would make as big a scan as I could, and then I would crop the third baseman real tight so I could move the image around easily. He's your best bet for an ID since we might get a good look at his face and his jersey. It's probably worth doing the same to the batter. For what's it's worth, I have a circa 1940 photo of Whitey Kurowski playing third base for the Red Wings. He played there from '39 to '41. I also have a variety of photos of Red Wings from 1940 to 1963, so uniform details could help us narrow the time period.

Bpm0014 11-03-2017 06:41 PM

The runner looks like Stan Musial. For real.

Butch7999 11-04-2017 12:19 AM

We stand more than ready to be corrected on this point, but we're fairly confident that the game action shown
didn't take place at Red Wing Stadium -- wasn't it oriented in the opposite direction from what the photo suggests?
Rochester was the Cardinals' farm from 1928 to 1960, so your guess at a spring training game -- somewhere
far south of Rochester -- makes some sense...

Chris Counts 11-04-2017 02:37 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Here are Red Schoendienst and Del Rice in their 1943 Red Wings home jerseys. They look similar to the one the third baseman is wearing.

EYECOLLECTVINTAGE 11-04-2017 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Counts (Post 1716921)
Here are Red Schoendienst and Del Rice in their 1943 Red Wings home jerseys. They look similar to the one the third baseman is wearing.



Hell yes!! Sorry I haven't posted better scans I've been out all day. Soon I will do it. Was this the only year they had this jersey?

Dto7 11-04-2017 07:15 PM

Red Wings uniform history

http://www.milb.com/content/page.jsp...330&vkey=team4

EYECOLLECTVINTAGE 11-06-2017 09:34 AM

Hows this?
 
https://sportscardalbum.com/c/2f7hm2p4.jpg

https://sportscardalbum.com/c/h49o1i90.jpg

Chris Counts 11-06-2017 10:51 AM

According to the article posted by Don, the Red Wings uniform in the photo dates from 1937 to 1945. I looked at a photo of Whitey Kurowski, and it seems like he could be a possibility. I looked at another Red Wings third baseman from the same era, Gene Lillard, but the image above doesn't look anything like him.

EYECOLLECTVINTAGE 11-06-2017 11:11 AM

The more I look the more that batter looks like Stan the man? Any thoughts?

Dewey 11-06-2017 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE (Post 1717441)
The more I look the more that batter looks like Stan the man? Any thoughts?

The lettering across the front of the jersey doesn't match dual birds Cardinals uniform at the time, does it?

Butch7999 11-06-2017 02:43 PM

No disrespect whatsoever, and maybe we're all wet, but the more we look at the blow-up (thanks for that),
the less it looks like Musial.
The blow-up tells us this about the batter-runner: he's not wearing a St Louis uniform. If that's indeed Musial,
it would have to be a 1941 spring-training game between Rochester and the Class C Springfield Cardinals --
haven't looked for a Springfield uni, but there is what appears to be "CAR" on the runner's jersey.
If it's not Musial, it's wide open as to what year and what team that is.

Dave Grob 11-06-2017 08:47 PM

Minor League Musial
 
It would appear that the value of this exercise is probably tied to the potential value of the image if it in fact contains a very young minor league Stan Musial. Musial can be excluded from being the catcher (not a position he played) and the third baseman (Musial batted and fielded as a lefthander). This leaves only the batter/runner. If Musial appeared in a game against the Red Wings as a minor league player, it would have to have occurred between 1938 and 1941.

In 1938, Musial played for the Williamson Colts. Neither the word “Williamson” or “Colts” appears consistent with the outline or pattern of the lettering on the batters/runners jersey. Same would hold true for 1939, and then if 1939, you might expect the Red Wings player to be wearing the Baseball Centennial patch on his jersey (their team photo indicates they wore this patch). For 1940 Musial played for the Daytona Beach Islanders. Once again, the outline or pattern of the lettering on the batters/runners jersey does not appear consistent with portraying either Daytona, Daytona Beach, or Islanders.

For 1941, Musial spent minor league time with the Red Wings and the Springfield Cardinals. The batter/runner does not appear to be wearing a Red Wings jersey (intra-team game) and the 1941 Springfield Cardinals wore the Birds on the Bat logo just like the parent club. Neither of these would be consistent with the outline or pattern of the lettering on the batters/runners jersey.

For me, these things tend to exclude the batter/runner from being Stan Musial.
Dave Grob

bobw 11-06-2017 11:17 PM

Maybe Toronto Maple Leafs ??
 
Played around with the runner image and maybe he is a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Attached is an image from the late 30s early 40s of Tony Lazzeri.
The socks seem to match Toronto, and the stripe on the sleeve.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4495/3...44323f59_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4479/3...70a37fe2_b.jpg

EYECOLLECTVINTAGE 11-07-2017 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobw (Post 1717630)
Played around with the runner image and maybe he is a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Attached is an image from the late 30s early 40s of Tony Lazzeri.
The socks seem to match Toronto, and the stripe on the sleeve.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4495/3...44323f59_b.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4479/3...70a37fe2_b.jpg

Holy smokes that is great work!


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