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EvilKing00 09-27-2013 07:22 PM

So you have your all time team... Now
 
Now pick one starter, in his prime totally healthy to pitch one game against another members all time team that u must win. He will not be hitting just pitching. He dosnt have to pitch a compleat game figure at least 7 innings. Whos your ace???


I will probably take slot of flack for my pick but after alot of thought i would take pedro martinez at his best over any other pitcher.

KCRfan1 09-27-2013 07:27 PM

Give me Koufax.

39special 09-27-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCRfan1 (Post 1189610)
Give me Koufax.

+1

Sean 09-27-2013 07:59 PM

Walter Johnson.

If you want someone that I've actually seen, either Gibson or Koufax.

Stonepony 09-27-2013 08:42 PM

Seaver

AMBST95 09-27-2013 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilKing00 (Post 1189603)
Now pick one starter, in his prime totally healthy to pitch one game against another members all time team that u must win. He will not be hitting just pitching. He dosnt have to pitch a compleat game figure at least 7 innings. Whos your ace???


I will probably take slot of flack for my pick but after alot of thought i would take pedro martinez at his best over any other pitcher.

Before I read your last sentence I was thinking the same thing.

the 'stache 09-27-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCRfan1 (Post 1189610)
Give me Koufax.

+1. Koufax in his prime was nearly unhittable.

His last 4 seasons, he was 97-27 (.782) with a 1.86 ERA. In 1,192 2/3 IP he struck out 1,228 batters while walking only 259. He allowed a laughable 6.2 hits per 9 innings, and his whip was a ridiculous 0.909.

Imagine what his career numbers would have been if he didn't have to retire at age 30. He was 28-9 with a 1.73 ERA and 317 Ks in 1966. His ERA + was 190, the best of his career.

He did all this while in constant pain.

For my money, Koufax achieved a level of pitching mastery that has never been equaled. Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddux and a handful of other modern pitchers, combined with Bob Gibson, Bob Feller, Christy Mathewson, Ed Walsh and Walter Johnson...are all on my short list. But Koufax could throw a no hitter any time he took the mound.

There is one guy that is quickly moving up my list, and he's young. Clayton Kershaw is the best pitcher in the game now, and he's looking like an all-time great. The kid is just scary good. Compare him to Koufax. Kershaw's ERA + is 190 in 2013, and I think he has one more start. He's matched Koufax's best season, and he's only 25.

ZenPop 09-27-2013 09:29 PM

Since it would be the first time the all-time greats would see him... and he'd be at his best...

I'll take Tim Lincecum.

(Marichal, Carl Hubbell (you saw what he did in the all-star game to the greats) and Matty would be right up there!

Non-Giants Division: Satchel Paige

conor912 09-27-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMBST95 (Post 1189645)
Before I read your last sentence I was thinking the same thing.

It would even be hard to pick a year Pedro. The five from 1997 to 2002 (not counting his injury plagued 2001) he was pretty much lights out. Though I'm biased from Boston. I would, however, refrain from any pitcher after 1970 given their propensity to run out of steam in late innings. For such an important game I wouldn't want to rely him going the distance.

t206fix 09-27-2013 10:06 PM

no chance
 
Randy Johnson

No question...at the top of his game, no one could hit him!

Mark 09-27-2013 10:31 PM

Best big game pitcher whom I saw was Gibson. But if someone also saw Hubbell and told me that he was better, I would believe it.

RCMcKenzie 09-27-2013 10:50 PM

This question is often asked on sports radio talk shows as, ""Who would you pitch to save the planet?"

Greg Maddux with Ron Kulpa behind the dish.

mattsey9 09-27-2013 11:07 PM

To be the contrarian, I'm picking a good guy who was great in a lot of big games.

Allie Reynolds.

itjclarke 09-27-2013 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenPop (Post 1189655)
Since it would be the first time the all-time greats would see him... and he'd be at his best...

I'll take Tim Lincecum.

(Marichal, Carl Hubbell (you saw what he did in the all-star game to the greats) and Matty would be right up there!

Non-Giants Division: Satchel Paige

I love the Giants love!!

I'd still go with Koufax, but Timmy was absolutely amazing for those first 2 full seasons when he was still blowing 98 MPH gas.

xcgrammer 09-27-2013 11:37 PM

I might have to take Maddux or Pedro via a coin flip. For the simple reason that they dominated in The Steriod Era!!! Unreal what they did. Pedro was lights out in the complete epicenter, eye of the hurricane, heart of the most hitter dominated (by cheating) era of all time.

Vol 09-28-2013 12:14 AM

Greg Maddux

No doubt in my mind.

conor912 09-28-2013 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xcgrammer (Post 1189693)
I might have to take Maddux or Pedro via a coin flip. For the simple reason that they dominated in The Steriod Era!!! Unreal what they did. Pedro was lights out in the complete epicenter, eye of the hurricane, heart of the most hitter dominated (by cheating) era of all time.

Maddux, to me, was more of a "body of work" guy. He was so good for so long that he put together a stellar career, but never for a second would he cross my mind as my go-to guy for one game. But again, maybe if I was from Atlanta I'd feel differently.

RCMcKenzie 09-28-2013 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by conor912 (Post 1189701)
Maddux, to me, was more of a "body of work" guy. He was so good for so long that he put together a stellar career, but never for a second would he cross my mind as my go-to guy for one game. But again, maybe if I was from Atlanta I'd feel differently.

The OP was asking about a pitcher at his best. In 1995 Maddux was 19-2 with a WHIP of 0.811. Those were my gambling days and you had to lay 380 to win 100 in a baseball game. If you had an umpire with a wide strikezone, it was game over.

71buc 09-28-2013 01:06 AM

Mr. Bob Gibson even if my life depended on it.

billyb 09-28-2013 01:37 AM

On his best days, Ryan.

glynparson 09-28-2013 02:03 AM

Pedro
 
If he were unavailable Koufax

Hankphenom 09-28-2013 12:30 PM

I don't have to look very far, do I? I'll take Johnson, and no need for any seven-inning limitation. If he's the greatest of all time, he's OK for one game, too. One out of six starts were shutout wins. If we're going with pitchers in their prime, his lasted 10 years, 1910-1919, during which he won 35% of his team's games. Of those I actually saw, I'd be very happy with Sandy.

howard38 09-28-2013 03:09 PM

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CW 09-28-2013 03:30 PM

at his absolute peak, I'd have to go with Maddux (actually a bit surprised I'm not the first, but the 5th person to mention him in this thread).

honorable mention goes to Verlander (at his peak).

AndrewJerome 09-28-2013 05:16 PM

Top 5 in my opinion for a single game in their prime: Walter Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Lefty Grove, Randy Johnson, and Greg Maddux. All were lights out at the height of their powers.

Best single season ERA+ for each:

259 Walter (second best for a season was 240)
291 Pedro (second best for a season was 243)
217 Lefty (second best for a season was 189)
195 Randy (second best for a season was 193)
271 Greg (second best for a season was 260)

ERA+ gets me down to Walter, Pedro, and Greg. Facing ATG lineups would be beyond brutal. You'd need to somehow be able to go deep into the game, and an increased strikeout rate would also help against ATG lineups to get out of trouble. A tough call between the three, but I'd go with Walter since he has a better chance at pitching deep into the game while also getting some strikeouts to get out of trouble.

ZenPop 09-28-2013 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itjclarke (Post 1189691)
I love the Giants love!!

I'd still go with Koufax, but Timmy was absolutely amazing for those first 2 full seasons when he was still blowing 98 MPH gas.

I could see that... Timmy was elite when he was dominant... but wouldn't argue against Koufax, either (obviously)

ZenPop 09-28-2013 10:32 PM

I guess you also look how pitchers perform in big games... and I'm not saying that Maddux wasn't a stellar pitcher (one of the very best ever)... but I keep seeing Will Clark absolutely destroying him in Game 1of the '89 playoffs. That does color my thinking...

TheBig6 09-28-2013 11:19 PM

Koufax or Gibson (flip a coin)

J.R. Richard would be my (Homer Pick)

drmondobueno 09-29-2013 12:51 AM

I've seen Koufax, Gibson and Maddox pitch. Take a look at their playoff/world Series body of work. Maddox to me is definitely a step below.

Koufax # 1, Gibson a close second. Never saw Paige, way too young to have seen anyone prior to 1958. But my grandfather, when he quit swearing, said Paige was crafty and unhittable the times he saw Satchel pitch..:):):D

oldjudge 09-29-2013 02:23 AM

I'll take my chances with the 1968 version of Bob Gibson. Close seconds are '63 Koufax and '78 Guidry.

sbfinley 09-29-2013 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOLnVEGAS (Post 1189700)
Greg Maddux

No doubt in my mind.


This.

margoaepi 09-29-2013 06:56 AM

1985 Doc Gooden please, thank you, and good luck!

kmac32 09-29-2013 08:27 PM

Here is my pitching rotation.

Walter Johnson
Christy Matthewson
Fergie Jenkins
Bob Gibson
Greg Maddux
Carl Mays

And the rest of the team

Ty Cobb
Babe Ruth
Johnny Bench
Ernie Banks
Barry Bonds (with Roids)
Mike Schmidt
Pete Rose
Albert Pujols
Hank Aaron

And my closer Mariano Rivera
With Randy Johnson in my bullpen

BearBailey 09-29-2013 09:14 PM

Greg Maddux, without a question!

dabigyankeeman 09-30-2013 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t206fix (Post 1189666)
Randy Johnson

No question...at the top of his game, no one could hit him!

Totally agree, my choice too. He was great, and batters feared him.

HOF Auto Rookies 09-30-2013 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilKing00 (Post 1189603)
i would take pedro martinez

My thoughts exactly


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