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Calling All True Pre-War Buffs: Rank The T206 HOFers
Thought this would be interesting and educational to see for guys like me who have entered the hobby through the interest of cards, but are not true pre-war baseball buffs. How would any pre-war baseball buffs out there rank the T206 HOFers as players? Forget about cards for a little while, rank them on their careers! Just for fun, throw Hal Chase in there too as he's a HOFer for not his off the field issues. The list is...
Frank Baker Jake Beckley Chief Bender Roger Bresnahan Mordecai Brown Frank Chance Hal Chase Jack Chesbro Fred Clarke Ty Cobb Eddie Collins Jimmy Collins Sam Crawford George Davis Hugh Duffy Johnny Evers Elmer Flick Clark Griffith Miller Huggins Hugh Jennings Walter Johnson Addie Joss Willie Keeler Joe Kelley Nap Lajoie Rube Marquard Christy Mathewson Joe McGinnity John McGraw Eddie Plank Tris Speaker Joe Tinker Rube Waddell Honus Wagner Bobby Wallace Ed Walsh Zach Wheat Vic Willis Cy Young |
A little humorous response
GREATEST HOF PITCHING STAFF
MADDUX GLAVINE SMOLTZ (AND AVERY IF NOT INJURED!! and those of us in Atlanta were lucky to watch 'em!!!! |
Top ten...
Wagner Cobb Young Mathewson Lajoie Speaker E Collins Waddell Walsh Brown YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT>>>> Edited / corrected 10 Wagner Cobb Young Mathewson Johnson Lajoie Speaker E Collins Waddell Walsh and I had given some thought about Mr. McGraw, but he just didn't quite make the top 10... maybe he should have. |
Frank - I think you have to include Walter Johnson in your top 10.
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Christy Mathewson - He's the Man :D - (Work Horse) Ed Walsh - No Respect, His ERA is Mind Boggling - (Work Horse) Hans Wagner - Complete Consistency Ty Cobb - The Greatest "Over Achiever" in any Sport - Ever! Cy Young - Massive Numbers ~ Longevity 2nd Class Nap Lajoie Walter Johnson Tris Speaker. Rube Waddell Mordecai Brown When it com's to Player's, Prewar Pitcher's hold a Very Strong Opinion of mine. They spent A Lot of Time on the Mound, or lack there of! They pitched from even level and the crowd was ever so close. Equaling Major Pressure to get it done! |
I know the question is to rank the best players, but Im gonna throw a litlle curveball here.
I am no expert, but it seems everything I read has Mcgraw in the middle of everything. I think he might have been the most influential and respected player of his time. Little Napoleon that he was....haha. Other than that, it looks like irishdenny has hit the nail on the head. |
What a fun exercise... Added a few names in there...
Ty Cobb Walter Johnson Cy Young Honus Wagner Christy Mathewson Tris Speaker Nap Lajoie Eddie Collins Eddie Plank Ed Walsh Mordecai Brown Sam Crawford Addie Joss Rube Waddell Willie Keeler Frank Baker Chief Bender Zack Wheat Gavvy Cravath Joe Mcginnity Clark Griffith Fred Clarke Elmer Flick Ed Ruelbach Joe Kelley Hugh Duffy Jake Beckley Roger Bresnahan Jack Chesbro Mike Donlin Frank Chance HAL CHASE George Davis Jimmy Collins Frank Chance Vic Willis Rube Marquard Johnny Evers Bobby Wallace Joe Tinker Managers -John Mcgraw -Hugh Jennings -Miller Huggins |
interesting
Glad I posted this, Ed Walsh is showing up much higher than I had expected. Interesting to see that Cy Young is ranking ahead of WaJo also...keep em coming.
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Great thread.
I've long wondered why Willie Keeler hasn't received more due. At 5'7" 140lb, he compiled nearly 3k hits, was the hardest guy to strike out in baseball history (only Sewell was close), had the longest hitting streak of his era, etc. In terms of doing the most with the body you were given, he gets my vote. Rank Player (yrs, age) AB per SO Bats 1. Willie Keeler+ (19) 63.17 L 2. Joe Sewell+ (14) 62.56 L 3. Lave Cross (21) 45.08 R 4. Lloyd Waner+ (18) 44.92 L 5. Joe Start (16) 43.51 L 6. Nellie Fox+ (19) 42.74 L 7. Tommy Holmes (11) 40.92 L 8. Emil Verban (7) 39.34 R 9. Homer Summa (10) 34.10 L 10. Andy High (13) 33.85 L Source: Baseball Reference Also, Joss has the best WHIP of any pitcher ever. Rank Player (yrs, age) Walks & Hits per IP Throws 1. Addie Joss+ (9) 0.9678 R 2. Mariano Rivera (17, 42) 0.9981 R 3. Ed Walsh+ (14) 0.9996 R 4. Monte Ward+ (17) 1.0435 R 5. Pedro Martinez (18) 1.0544 R 6. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 1.0581 R 7. Trevor Hoffman (18) 1.0584 R 8. Walter Johnson+ (21) 1.0612 R 9. Mordecai Brown+ (14) 1.0658 R 10. Charlie Sweeney (6) 1.0673 R Source: Baseball Reference That technically makes him the hardest pitcher for a batter to face in baseball history. His career was tragically short, but he would be high on my list too. |
Hal Chase?
When did they put Hal Chase in the Hall of Fame?
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I think you missed the little commentary before the list in the original post. Threw him in for the hell of it.
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Very interesting add ins to the list. What is your take on Cy Seymour and Bill Dahlen? Seymour was the strikeout leader a few times early in his career as a pitcher before moving to OF where he was an over .300 career hitter. He also missed the triple crown due to finishing second only in HRs one year. Dahlen I believe is more of a player/manager overall effort more so than just as a player.
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