Don't underestimate the value of a three run home run when your team is leading 5-0.;)

Oh come on, that completely ignores the fact that he hit it with 2 strikes and 2 outs AND that if not for a wild pitch, you were looking at a grand slam. It put the game out of reach and it was a clutch hit. Also, let's not forget Judge's defense in the outfield last night.

Yep, Played excellent defense all night.

Say what you want about him, he had one of the best, if not possibly the best rookie season ever for a power hitter.

Hopefully last night gets him going! I'm going to game tonight and pumped up! I'll be near right field corner. Fun times,...lets not forget...this guy is a ROOKIE!

The Yankees were up 8-3 in game 2 and Cleveland came back for the win. A 2 out 3 run homerun would have been pretty valuable in that game. Plus it has to help his confidence going forward in this series. That swing might end up being a lot more valuable than you think. We will find out in the next few days.

I agree..

A three run home run is always valuable in the first 5 innings..... heck if the other team hit a 3 run homer its 5-3. Its not like his team was up 9-0 in a regular season game and he hits a solo shot against garbage inning eater bullpen guy..

cant say he went 0-4 with 3k with nobody on base in a 7-0 game is a big deal and then say hitting a 3 run homer in a 5-0 game isn't you cant have it both way...

I hate to say it but I really can't wait for Girardi to be gone next year. I just don't understand his decision making sometimes. Last night he's up 8 - 0 in the 9th and rather than let Warren finish out of the game and save his bullpen, he ends up pitching 2 guys in the 9th knowing he has to play again today. There's no excuse for that.

Everything everyone has said in this thread is absolutely correct. Who are we to judge right and wrong. Why do the Yankees even have to play these games? Permanent champions, just like in the 50s. C. C. Sabathia for Cy Young. Judge for ROY & MVP and for a GQ cover. Why should he have to wait 15 years for Cooperstown’s call? And let’s not forget DiDi, Derek who? If Chapman won last year’s Series, not a problem, we’ll just buy him. We ought to return to the days when Kansas City was essentially a Yankee farm team. If we need Norm Siebern or Bobby Shantz, KC will just send them over. If they fail, we’ll just take Bob Cerv and Art Ditmar. The Bronx Bombers shouldn’t have to call up “minor leaguers” as long as KC is in the same league. Have them throw in Hector Lopez too. They’ve already lost 100 games after all. The almighty Yankees were crowned decades before the Colt 45s were born. How could a team from Houston be considered a worthy foe. They play in a square park named after orange juice. Their best player wouldn’t be the tallest guy on the winning team in Williamsport this year. Their best pitcher has only been on the team since the first of September, and who knows where he’ll be next April. If Houston prevails in this series, the fix must certainly be in. But remember “Casey at the Bat” and pray that it isn’t prophetic. For somewhere in the favored land the sun is shining bright, a band is playing somewhere and somewhere hearts are light, and somewhere men are laughing and somewhere children shout, but there”ll be no joy in Mudville, when the mighty Judge has struck out.:eek::eek:

Right, Kershaw would blow him away...

In the NBA, Golden State is far more dominating than any Yankee past scenerio.......heck they added Durant last year..no need to treat any NBA teams as farm teams when you can just snag blue chip free agents..

Wrong again, Kershaw wouldn’t be pitching in the ninth inning.:D

true so jansen would be doing it ....Judge another homer and walk ..7 innings into game 4..

MVP...MVP...MVP...I think if the yankees beat houston...Judge is MVP!!!!

Homerun in the 7th down 4-0. RBI double in the 8th to tie it up. Nothing like a couple of clutch hits to quiet the haters.

I agree jessie

again a hit with a runner on..i thought a 3 run homer means nothing if up 5 runs..

well im sure the astros wished they got a 3 run homer when they were up 4 runs... with 5 runs they wouldnt of needed one apparently according to the esteemed other net54 poster logic

"Don't underestimate the value of a three run home run when your team is leading 5-0"

You do realize that all postseason awards votes are cast before the playoffs right?

I do now!!!!!!

No one's going to harp over Judge's strike out last night? How come? Did he do something important?

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...s-october-hero

"To a certain extent," Judge said, "I enjoy failure. It's part of the game. There's always room to grow, there's room to improve. So it's been a fun ride. And it's my first year, still pretty crazy."

This big kid is a great example for little kids. I made my son read that quote. Judge plays the game right— in an age when guys hot-dog doubles, Judge sprints out 495 ft bombs. He gives balls to little kids between every inning.

As impressively, the rookie has the mental toughness and character to always come roaring back in a dramatic, dominant way, after every funk. He never loses his cool as the umps learn to adjust their zones to his size, with strikes being called below his shins.

On the sheer performance side, he sets the rookie HR record while batting .284, and getting on base more than the guy who won the batting title. He saves their season with a great playoff catch. He ignites a memorable October comeback with not one but two huge hits, adjusting to breaking pitches.

Judge is clearly prone to extreme highs and lows. He certainly still has tons to learn, and many improvements to make. He himself humbly acknowledges this. Yet true fans root for their guys and team through thick and thin. So no funk or internet invective is going to make us fans abandon our guy.

I just don't get rooting against this likable kid. Below, some additional reading for those who do. The crow buffet line has been packed at times— notably after his call up, then during those six weeks in July-Aug, and most recently during a few games this month.

Luckily it's all-you-can-eat.

What is an aaron judge? Is it someone who judges Aaron?

Aaron is definitely being Judged.:D

Where's a good mic drop meme when you need one? Well said.

Among other great things is the fact Judge hasnt left many, if any runners on base on the astros series. I wouldnt mine a 10% chance at a home run and a 90% chance for a k for example when nobody is on base.especially if 2 outs.

I believe the voting is concluded before the post-season, Pete, but correct me if I'm wrong. I do agree with Bob Costas that the voting for MCP, Cy Young and other awards should continue through the post-season, though.

Best regards,

Larry

It's just some 6'7" 280 lb. guy, Leon, who plays for the Yankees and hit almost exactly like Mantle did in 1961 for the first half of the season (compare their respective '61 and '17 first halfs on baseball reference.com), then virtually disappeared for almost two months, and picked it up again strong in September. Also hits the ball almost as hard and far as Mantle, without putting his whole body into it, like the Mick did.

Highest regards,

Larry

A huge plus one there!

Larry

THIS IS MEANT TO BE FUNNY. Seen this custom Topps Now card and figured i would share. I took the internet pic and turned it into a real card with a few upgrades and a crappy cell phone picture.:)

Hahahaha. That is awesome.

Judge shows you how good he is when you compare him to Bellinger and the Dodgers. Look at all those Left on Base the Dodgers left in scoring postion. How many did Judge leave.

In addition as far as other games more than making up a bad part of the season making the bad part mean zero

Just look at George Springer

first game 0-4 four K's thats 1 out of 7 games. About the same ratio as the Judge slump for the month or so versus the entire year.

Does the 0-4 matter for Springer? 4 Ks? Nah he still won MVP...

got to go by the whole season or Series....

Just wanted to get everyone ready for the MVP topps now cards a little early...

https://i.imgur.com/NaPFAFPl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TizUIaXl.jpg

ouch!!!!! I think the pose with judges hands on his head should have the runner up caption!

Jose can you see, Gosh, half an Altuve looks even smaller.:D

Jake, keep in touch next season.

Was George Springer ever mentioned as the second coming of Babe Ruth? No.

Would Houston have won the series without their third, fourth and fifth starters (who compared favorably to Kershaw and Darvish in the WS) ? No

I realize that all your predictions can be and will be rationalized, but I’m sort of glad they went ahead and played the games. Great series.

I, for one, hope Judge has a better year in 2018 and that Kershaw’s back problems do not curtail his fine career to date.

I don’t think it has been mentioned here before, but I think a team should have to use the players that got them them through the whole season in the playoffs. When late season pickups play a significant role in September and October (aka Verlander and Darvish), it just doesn’t seem right to me.:eek:

A rookie is runner-up for MVP while setting the rookie HR mark? Awesome.

Yea, unbelievably impressive!

And just think about this, I had this thought this morning.

What if it had been Mike Trout who put up the exact stat line that Aaron Judge did this year. Say Trout hadn't been hurt and had a breakout power year for him with the other numbers in Judges stat line....

155games 542ab 128 Runs 52 HR 114RBI (2nd in LG) 127 Walks 9 SB .284 avg .422 OBP(2nd in LG) .627 SLG (2nd in LG) 1.049 OPS (2nd in LG)

That is an absolutely dominant statistical year for a power hitter.

Yes... I know he lead league in strikeouts as well. But can anyone truthfully tell me if the person who put up the above stat line's last name was Trout that he would not be MVP?

Altuve was great and also deserving, not saying he's not I just think the voters put a lot of emphasis on past track records and service time and player name recognition etc... in their voting.

I just think if Trout had put up Judges exact stat, setting a new HR mark for himself with all those great other numbers, there wouldn't likely be much debate. Leading League in HR, R, and Walks etc...

I think Altuve will win this year and is equally deserving. But I also feel that voters are taking into account him leading the lg in hits last few seasons and them also likely thinking that it's Altuves chance with Trout getting hurt this year. Almost like it's his turn.

Again, Altuve had a great year , I'd like to see a co-MVP this year but obviously won't happen. I tip my cap to Altuve and Astros. Hopefully the Yankees can make some noise again next year!

I am also sure there are a number of voters with the thinking that judge has rookie of year vote locked up so he doesn't "need" to win both roy and mvp.

Here's my thing about Altuve: he isn't the reason the Astros were good. The roster is stacked. Altuve had the best season among them, but I firmly believe without Altuve the Astros still finish where they did.

I don't think the same thing can be said about the Yankees. Without Judge the Yankees were doomed. There's no way they enter the All Star break where they were without Judge's first half performance, and there's no way they finish the season where they were without Judge's September. That's an MVP.

The Yankees were 31-22 from July 14 to Sept 10. In that time span Judge hit .191 with 11 home runs and 24 RBI. One could argue that they did fine without him. With his second half followed by his playoff showing one could also maybe argue that the league figured him out. Sure he got fat on September callup pitching.. Big deal. His home road splits are obscenely in favor of Yankee Stadium. .312 hitter at home, .256 on the road. He set a home run record in a juiced ball year, breaking a home run record set by McGwire in 1987 which was a juiced ball year. So it's not really the slam dunk that some might think it is, let alone my personal opinion that giving the MVP to a rookie is dumb. Gotta prove you belong.

Like by breaking the rookie home run record and leading the league in multiple offensive stats?

Let's see who he homered against in September...

I see ONE "call up" pitcher, Richard Rodriguez, on Sept 14th. The rest are:

Sept 3 - Addison Reed 468 feet
Sept 7 - Kevin Gausman 420 feet
Sept 10 - Nick Martinez 379 feet
Sept 10 - Yohander Mendez 461 feet
Sept 14 - Mike Wright 418 feet
Sept 18 - Ervin Santana 395 feet
Sept 20 - Bartolo Colon 349 feet
Sept 22 - Marco Estrada 469 feet
Sept 24 - Marcus Stroman 378 feet
Sept 24 - Ryan Tepera 391 feet
Sept 25 - Jakob Junis 389 feet
Sept 25 - Trevor Cahill 408 feet
Sept 28 - Jake Faria 357 feet
Sept 30 - Marcus Stroman 484 feet

Hitting 52 homers at the MLB level is certainly a big deal, and any attempt to slight that comes across as sour grapes.

It is hard enough to get drafted, let alone hit 52 homers with a .400+ OBP.

As to the "juiced ball," he led the league in homers using balls that every other man in the league got a chance to hit. I would also venture most of his homers would be homers in most ballparks. Tangentially, Minute Maid isn't exactly a pitcher's park.

The whole "they did fine without him in the second half," line of thought is specious and intentionally reductive; it utterly chooses to omit the benefit of his first half production. He was on base at a .448 clip in the first half, and a .391 clip in the second half. As to his playoff showing, he had some big hits and absolutely saved their season with a stellar piece of glove work.

Bottom line, all subjective MVP discussions aside (Altuve is a fantastic baseball player and the likely MVP), trying to hate on this Judge kid is a bad and petty look. It is a fact that he had a historic debut campaign and plays the game right.

Mike Wright and Yohander Mendez would count as September call-ups too, but whatever. Not exactly a list of Cy Young candidates or anything. My point was never that he's terrible. I'm not "hating on" him as you suggest. I'm saying he's not the MVP and giving some reasons as to why I might think that. You can also look at his clutch stats, and his leverage stats and his stats against teams above and below .500. They're not good enough to me to be considered "Most Valuable". They're good enough to be considered second most valuable. To me.

Cbapman was picked up by cubs last year...thats par for the course in terms of late additions....

Im glad they played the games as well and i think you were proven wrong on almost everything. The dodgers showed the 2nd half losing streak against NL teams meant zero..they marched all the way to the world series and got it to 7 games..

amazing astros have guys like jake marisnick and a few others that were hurt that can be very important next year..

I hated Darvish as well...said didnt want hiim to start game 7..after game 4..

but he as the #2 starter decided it for the dodgers..and lost....kershaw didnt lose the series at all..

Houston had one of the most dynamic offenses in history...we will look back on their lineup from 2017 and be amazed they had all those players...more than what we do when we look at the expo teams..

I didnt care about Judge winning any awards....you were all over him for the postseason but he had a pretty good post season..i not sure how many runners in scoring position he failed to drive in but it wasnt many if any...

You cant discount what a great year Judge had.....i dont think hes matt nokes....i am going to take a wild guess and say Judge wont match or have a better year than he did this year...if he has another year thats equal or better to this year....it will be the greatest 2 years any player has ever had or at least arguably...without the use of drugs..

Judge's card values peaked at the all star break and have gone down since. Will his card values ever go pack to their peaks last July? Time will tell.

On yesterday's MLB show announcing the AL and NL MVP, Tom Verducci made a very interesting poing about Judge: His "launch" (or swing/uppercut) angle increased from 13% before the All-Star break to 20% for his nearly invisible, just short of two months period following that point. This made him extremely vulnerable to fastballs in the upper portion of the strike zone, as would be perfectly expected (it is in fact tremendously hard to hit a high fastball utilizing a swing that employs a substantial uppercut). When Judge got hot again in September, that launch/uppercut angle of his swing decreased. This is a very smart kid who will undoubtedly be made aware of this info (if he is not already) and use it to his advantage next year.

May he do well,

Larry

Anyone interested in participating in a 2018 Judge HR/K Board (10x10) next season.

By a square for $ x.oo.

After the squares are sold, randomly assign a range of HRs for each column on x-axis and a range of strikeouts for each row on the y-axis.

The HR columns could be 0-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, etc up to 91-100.

The K rows could be 0-30, 31-60, 61-90, 91-120, etc up to 271-300.

In addition there would be a Calcutta pool where you could bet any amount on which square would be winner before the season starts.

The Board Pool would be winner take all with one bet per square.

The Calcutta pool could be divided if more than one bet is placed on the winning square. If however Judge hits 88 HRs and strikes out 88 times and there is no Calcutta winner, either those funds could be returned to the bettors or rolled over to a 2019 Board.;)

Note: This Post is not a solicitation to participate or an expression of willingness to coordinate and manage such an endeavor. Consider it virtually imaginary.:D

Can u say Joe Charbeanu
 

Good luck on the Judge investment?? How can I short him??

Sell his cards to a collector like me.

Safer to wait until he ends up in a Vanguard Index Fund