E91 scans matched up with scans of cards from other sets
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After years of procrastination (scanning and tracking down images just seemed so painful) I have decided to re-post this article. I have not revised anything in it, which I probably should have, but have scanned (or borrowed from the internet) comparison cards for each of the E91A subjects so the collector can visually judge for themselves if what I claim in the article makes sense to them. Since writing the article I found a good match for Plank (E95), found an exact photo match for Shay on the internet, and have determined that Devlin is actually a pretty decent representation based on the comparison cards. I even threw in some T206 cards just to make more people interested, and a few non-exact matches even when I have the exact match.
Sorry about varying size and quality of the scans, as well as the uneven printing on the article...curse my printer! Brian |
Cards with exact photo likeness
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More exact likenesses
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Accurate Representations, and the two profile cards Chance and Overall
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These are the ones that I do not have a photo match, but I believe are accurate representations of the player's face. The Chance and Overall E91 cards are profile shots, so I do not have a very good match, although I think the Overall seems to share facial traits. Long ago I have actually seen the exact action photo of Reulbach that was used, and on this card they duplicated the body. The Chance...well, what can you do.
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Great info, Brian. The A series has always held the charm....
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I'd love to have another Matty.
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Not a set I collect, but this is some neat work, Brian. Cool to see that they are not as generic as once thought.
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Very interesting. I didn't know that so many of the images actually look like the player they are supposed to represent. The Plank, Waddell, Bresnahan, Murphy, Donlin, Evers and Collins are particularly obvious. As a (mainly) Red Sox collector, my only examples are from the C series. As these are the reused images, not my favorite set, but still not bad looking cards. Thanks for the info.
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I scanned so many cards and pilfered way too many internet images to let this thread die...so I disguised the ever unpopular E91 focus in the title.
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I have never been a fan of the E91 cards.
To be honest, however, after initially being so turned off by the anonymity of the players' faces, your thread has forced me to take a second look. I still am not a fan, but my blanket contempt for the set is broken up slightly when I see cards like the Waddell...I still won't buy one though, they're just not quite as bad as I had assumed they were. Thanks for the enlightenment. - |
+1 for the Nails reference in the title.
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Awesome work Brian. I always thought the A series actually did look like the players that were named on the cards and the B and C series were the generic sets that just use the same images. But seeing the other cards posted next to them just makes the A series cards that much cooler imo.
Thanks for posting this. AndyH |
Thanks Andy, Raymond, Daniel, Ed and Andrew for posting your thoughts about E91...these cards certainly have been misunderstood for a long time. And I always like to remind folks that almost half (sixteen) of the 'B' series cards are just as valid as the 'A' series that I illustrated with the scans, as these 16 cards are duplicated in the B series with the same image AND player designation as seen in the A series.
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My final tricky re-titling has occurred to squeeze out a few more views. My apologies to all who already suffered E91 pains on previous visits.
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I just now viewed this thread.
Masterful, passionate work Brian. if I was Opie Taylor right now; would wanna get the red paint and become blood brothers. Nicely done and oh, so helpful; to foster interest in an underappreciated set. |
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Thank you in advance. Thank you Brian and all; you sure make me look good to the kid, lol. |
Congratulations Brian,
This is the first time I've ever looked at the E91 cards as anything else but poor caricatures of the players. I'm still not interested in the set, but at least now I am beginning to have a little more acceptance of the cards. Edited to add that I didn't realize that this was initially posted in 2017. It was worth bringing it back for a second look, because I missed it the first time around. |
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yep, .... what he said.
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I had a request from another member if I could provide info on the 33 designs in the E91A, and how they relate to the E91B and E91C sets. So I have created the list below (which was basically pulled from the article on the set in Lew Lipsets' great The Encylopedia of Baseball Cards book). The '(A)' in the below list refers to the player and designation as seen in the E91A set, the '(B)' going across on the same line is the same design as seen in E91B set, and the '(C)' refers to the same design as seen in the E91C set.
The * on the Murphy E91B entry below is to point out (which in turn was originally pointed out to me by Ben G) that although the designation for Murphy from the E91A set was repeated in the E91B set, the makers decided to utilize the artwork associated with Seybold in the E91A set for Murphy in the E91B set, and made Eddie Collins the player in E91B associated with the E91A artwork design for Murphy. It wouldn't be a vintage baseball card set without at least one curveball thrown. Brian (A) Davis - A's .... (B) Davis - A's .... (C) Donohue - Senators (A) Murphy - A's .... (B) E. Collins - A's .... (C) Delehanty - Senators (A) J. Collins - A's .... (B) Baker - A's .... (C) Conroy - Senators (A) Nichols - A's .... (B) Barry - A's .... (C) McBride - Senators (A) Seybold - A's .... (B) Murphy - A's* .... (C) Unglaub - Senators (A) Oldring - A's .... (B) Ganley - A's .... (C) Milan - Senators (A) Hartsel - A's .... (B) Hartsel - A's .... (C) Browne - Senators (A) Schrenckengost - A's .... (B) Thomas - A's .... (C) Street - Senators (A) Waddell - A's .... (B) Krause - A's .... (C) Johnson - Senators (A) Bender - A's .... (B) Bender - A's .... (C) Groom - Senators (A) Plank - A's .... (B) Plank - A's .... (C) Hughes - Senators (A) Tenney - Giants .... (B) Tenney - Giants .... (C) Stahl - Red Sox (A) Shay - Giants .... (B) Doyle - Giants .... (C) McConnell - Red Sox (A) Devlin - Giants .... (B) Devlin - Giants .... (C) Lord - Red Sox (A) Bridwell - Giants .... (B) Bridwell - Giants .... (C) Wagner - Red Sox (A) McGraw - Giants .... (B) McGraw - Giants .... (C) Hooper - Red Sox (A) Donlin - Giants .... (B) Donlin - Giants .... (C) Speaker - Red Sox (A) Seymour - Giants .... (B) Seymour - Giants .... (C) Niles - Red Sox (A) Bresnahan - Giants .... (B) Meyers - Giants .... (C) Donahue - Red Sox (A) Taylor - Giants .... (B) Murray - Giants .... (C) Karger - Red Sox (A) McGinnity - Giants .... (B) Marquard - Giants .... (C) Wood - Red Sox (A) Mathewson - Giants .... (B) Mathewson - Giants .... (C) Chech - Red Sox (A) Chance - Cubs .... (B) Chance - Cubs .... (C) Storke - Pirates (A) Evers - Cubs .... (B) Evers - Cubs .... (C) Miller - Pirates (A) Steinfeldt - Cubs .... (B) Steinfeldt - Cubs .... (C) Barbeau - Pirates (A) Tinker - Cubs .... (B) Tinker - Cubs .... (C) Wagner - Pirates (A) Schulte - Cubs .... (B) Schulte - Cubs .... (C) Wilson - Pirates (A) Slagle - Cubs .... (B) Hoffman - Cubs .... (C) Leach - Pirates (A) Sheckard - Cubs .... (B) Sheckard - Cubs .... (C) Clarke - Pirates (A) Kling - Cubs .... (B) Archer - Cubs .... (C) Gibson - Pirates (A) Reulbach - Cubs .... (B) Reulbach - Cubs .... (C) Phillipi - Pirates (A) Brown - Cubs .... (B) Brown - Cubs .... (C) Willis - Pirates (A) Overall - Cubs .... (B) Overall - Cubs .... (C) Leever - Pirates |
Thanks Brian. FWIW, I would point out that E91-C was most likely issued in 1909 and not 1910 as is commonly believed. There is also a sort of anomaly in E91-C that I don't recall having been discussed before-- the Red Sox checklist includes both Charley Chech and Ed Karger, who were never teammates and in fact were traded for each other in July 1909. It seems strange that Chech was not replaced by Frank Arellanes or Eddie Cicotte, either of whom was more prominent on the Sox pitching staff. I mean it's not like they were in need of a proper depiction for those two players, since they already were re-using the images of the E91-A Giants.
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Many thanks! Ben "I love baseball history backstory; especially when it involves cards." |
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Thanks for sharing with the class. Ben "I love baseball history backstory; especially when it involves cards." |
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To your, "E91 Murphy" point; the first image, was Seibold; from the A set. the second image was Murphy from the A set, now E. Collins. the third image was actually Murphy from the A set. Ben "I love baseball history backstory; especially when it involves cards." |
What can I say, this is an impressive post!!!
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E91-A Kling seems to be based on Carl Horner photo also seen on a 1902 Sporting Life cabinet, 1906 Fan Craze, and T206 (amongst others).
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The first two scans (of nine cards each) show examples of the same design through the E91A, B, and C sets, from left to right, respectively. The A and B examples of these cards that share the same player designation on the front are exactly the same, just have different set checklists on the back.
The second group of two scans show examples of the same design where the player designation was changed in both the E91B and E91C sets. Brian |
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