Snagged the "full background" variation Ruble
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...DRUBLE_NEW.JPG

..sepia-toned..

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Both variations Ernie Smith
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...GROUND_NEW.JPG

..full background , also in sepia.

...

Heinie Manush , Ki Ki Cuyler
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...KUYLER_NEW.JPG

...both are the glossy black and white type.

...Tim ?? National ??

..

hi Mike
 

Good to meet you at Natl!

I have been moving house since the National- haven't had a chance to do anything with cards. Will post a response when I have a little time. Didn't see many Worches in Atlantic City...

Hello Worch collectors,

The checklist for this set includes George Gibson, who would have been the Pittsburgh manger at the time. Do any of you know if this card exists?
Does anyone have a scan?

Thanks, Marty

haven't seen one
 

but there are a lot of the major leaguers that haven't been seen, at least recently. One of the old timers from whom the checklists were derived (such as Larry Fritsch) would be the likeliest to have confirmation. I know he had a lot of Worches. Until Larry's collection comes into the hobby we may be stuck with the checklists.

On the other hand, if someone does confirm Gibson to you, I would like to know about it too!

Thanks,
Tim

Thanks for the info Tim.

Chuck Klein Wearing A Phillies Uniform
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...HKLEIN_NEW.JPG


...the "full background" version is the new pick-up..

...

Sweet cards all. My one and only Worch but it's a winner.
http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_...20Richards.jpg

Yup....
 

.....Before there was " 1953 Bowman Color" , there was "1933 Worch Cigar"..

..absolute capital WOW on the Richards...

..

Agreed. I love the Goudey and the Worch I love way more. :)
Great stuff!!

Here's one I haven't seen posted yet.

A New View Of Bob " Dutch" Holland....
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...OLLAND_NEW.JPG


...The new one is the 4(MK) "Dutch Holland" "MPLS Journal Photo"...it's a glossy...the "Holland" "Photo By Mpls. Star" is a sepia but there is also a glossy version of that one posted several pages back...

..

I have dickey, foxx, Hartnett, Klein and Simmons. I have never figured out how to upload photos, but I can email you scans if helpful.

A New View Of Spencer Harris:
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...EWVIEW_NEW.JPG

.. New : The 4(MK) "MPLS. Journal Photo" . It is a faded sepia finish.....the "Photo By Mpls Star" is a sepia also but the surface is mint. There is a glossy version of that one also ; it's already in this thread , several pages back..

..

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"General" Crowder and Ole Cee Cee
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...CISSEL_NEW.JPG

...probably the last picture of Crowder in a Washington uniform ; one lucky guy : he went to the Detroit Tigers in time for the 1934 World Series....he won 83 games in four seasons....not too shabby

..Chalmer Cissel is watching tonight's game seven from high above and prolly grinnin' ear to ear...

..

My only current Worch...Love some of these real photo type cards. It really shows the player's features and lets you get a better idea of them than most of the non real photo type cards we collect....

http://luckeycards.com/ptunc1933worchbancroft.jpg

Reviving the thread
 

Hi everyone,

Thanks to all who have posted in this long-lived and informative thread over the past 5 years (wait... what? What happened to those five years?)

I am still actively researching the Worch sets and would love to get any additional info that any of you have about variations, additions to checklists, and images of certain players that supposedly exist but have not been seen lately.

I am also gathering scans of as many Worches as I can find from the web, from N54, auction houses, and so on. I will post a list of the images I need for the "virtual collection," and hopefully some of you can help with those-

Always looking for Worches that I need, and I do have a couple of nice dupes to swap for them.... (sorry Leon for the BST violation) :D

Tim

Worch AA scans needed
 

Hi all,

I would love to verify the existence of some of these players in the Worch American Association set.

Braman
James Brown
Coleman
Fette
Guiliani (portrait)
Joyner
Mowry (batting)
Packard
Ruble (background visible)
Shiver
Sundra
Van Atta

I do believe the above players exist, because the most complete collection I am aware of has them in SGC graded form, although I have not seen them.

The players below are more doubtful. That extensive collection does not contain them, nor have they turned up in my net searches. They are either in an SCD or Beckett checklist, but we know sometimes those sources were prone to mistakes or even to making up nonexistent "cards". I personally doubt the existence of many or most of these guys in Worch, so if you do have one, PLMK!

Berger (checklists may be mistaken in listing Wally Berger (MLB) here)
Boken
Fischall
Grimes
Hunter
Mails
Mills
Norman
Petty (outfield wall visible)
Rezotko
Rigney
Stine
Charles Wilson

Catching Up to the thread
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...HTRIOBETTS.JPG



....I previously posted these in the recent monthly "pick-ups" threads ( I think ? ) but never got around to adding them to the project thread.... the Huck Betts is from Thankgiving --not a lot of Huck Betts cards out there---..there's more Worch pick-ups lying around......lemme look....


...really want to see the most recent "complete set" checklist ;; I hope I'm closing in on fifty percent.....


...

..

...

Good, Mike!
 

Thanks for the Betts especially-

Smokey Steve Sundra
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...SUNDRA_NEW.JPG...


...I found some more from your lists

..

Ruble with the full background....
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...DRUBLE_NEW.JPG


...I can verify , from your lists , these examples ; no scans yet :


.........................Shiver ; Fette ;

.........................And : Rigney ; Stine ; Boken ; Grimes ; Hunter ; Rizotko ; Norman ; Mills


...I'll keep looking....


...

Your LOTG Trow and McWilliams....
 

...I have mug-shot portraits versions of Gene and Bill ; I was wondering if you knew about them , since you have the swinging vars ??


...

The Saints Poster :
 

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1395076062[/QUOTE]


...I've been working on ( actually "picking away at") the other poster from this collection of two , the one with the 19 Millers but here's a view of the Saints poster---the lower right hole is where Larry Rosenthal (batting ) goes back into when he's all cleaned up.......these are positioned onto the back of the large posterboard so that the white borders are not visible but they're all complete ; old brittle kid's construction paper tape is holding them in place... I'll send a list of names in the order of the cards' positions this weekend sometime...


...

Hi Mike,

Have you ever seen the Worch George Gibson?

Some inquiries
 

Hi all,

In response to PMs from folks about specific players-

Andrews and Gibson I have not confirmed in Worch, but there are a lot of MLB players, mostly commons, hiding in the bushes. Like some other issues, because you could request the players you wanted, stars and HOFers are seen a lot more than commons.

Tim

And I am sure for those chasing the set it keeps it a lot of fun. Great looking Dizzy card above, don't see too many of those, nor many of the others either.


.

Just checking but does anyone have a picture of Roy Spencer's Worch? Always been curious if he's listed Cleveland or not

No Spencer
 

Hi Jack,
I don't have a image of Spencer; Mike G. may have one, since he seems to have at least as many Worches as I do-

Tim

Trow and McWilliams Portrait Mug Shots , from the poster
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...ERTROW_NEW.JPG


"Gene Trow" and "Bill McWilliams"...in the slow process of cleaning off eighty years of grime ; they were exposed to the atmosphere but fortunately not to sunlight ; still crisp and a lot of gloss remaining...the attribution reads "Photo By Saint Paul Daily News" ; the "Saint" is completely spelled out ; on some others they used the abbreviation "St.".....

...my druggist wants to know why I buy so much alcohol and solvents....


...

the Saints poster
 

Hi Mike,
So do I understand you correctly that these are full-size cards that look like they were collected separately and then fitted into the poster (as opposed to a poster from which individuals were cut)?

Tim

Yup
 

...they are very well-done home-made posters -- nineteen Millers and twenty Saints , both "1935"

..cards are intact....


...possibly some new vars. and even new confirmations of your rumored names..

..no Gibson or Crabtree or Spencer or Andrews though...


..

I actually believe those posters were issued by Worch.

They were found in St. Paul, the same city where Worch operated.

Mike, do you agree that it seemed to have been a Worch issue? It makes sense to me. I know one person I spoke to sees it as more of a Saint Paul team issue of 1935. I would like to get all the names from the poster, which I still don't have. I can get about half, which I'm about to do-

Tim

names
 

Top row , left to right as they appear on the card : John Rigney , Ivy Shiver , Stine , Monty Stratton , Phil Todt . Fred Koster , Robert "Bob" Fenner

...middle row :Gene Trow , Jackie Warner ,Angeleo Giuliani , Bob Boken , Lou Fette , Berley ( their spelling ) Grimes

..bottom row :Spike Hunter , Joe Rezotko , Bill Norman , McManus , Howard Mills , Bill McWilliams , Larry Rosenthal


...sorry I'm so late with these...

..These posters were put together by someone who knew what they were doing ; not some kid fan.....very well-done hand-crafted pieces..

..

the Millers poster?
 

I hope you'll post the Mpls poster when you have a chance-

Thanks!
Tim

Interesting find this weekend. I already posted the signed Larry Rosenthal card earlier in this thread. I found this second one on Saturday. I didn't realize there were two different Rosenthals in the set. A pretty nice surprise :)

The Simmons Brothers....
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...IMMONS_NEW.JPG


The 5(MK) is a new grab...too many differences to list without getting a migraine.....neither flip mentions a var so methinks we may have found yet another new one , Tim ......Tim ??

..Any Worch visible at the National this year ?

..

Simmons
 

Hi Mike,
Yes, I think you're right that the Simmons is a newly seen variation.

Not many worches at the national, with a couple of exceptions I can tell you more about soon...

Tim

Keep us in suspense, huh? I think the variations and minutia are cool too but you guys take it to another level on this series. I do love some of the Worch poses. Good stuff!!

New Arrivals :Vanatta ( Van Atta ) and Shires
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...SHIRES_NEW.JPG


...1933 Worch Cigar Art Shires Columbus Redbirds..: the only thing with a lower population is the line outside of a North Korean Weightwatchers....


..

Thanks very much for this thread! Solved a mystery for me. This card has been kicking around our collection for quite some time and I couldn't figure out what on earth it was until now:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4361/...0f809330_z.jpg

Dude !!
 

...sir , you just hit the lottery....fantastic condition...is the back clean too ??


...

Indeed, it is. I'll try and post a pic later this evening. Can't find another of this particular card anywhere online. Did spot the other variation without the box around the text.

Some better shots of my card. Some scratches on the upper right side there but looks pretty darn good other than that:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4415/...0db9ba15_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4403/...934a74ae_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4363/...4e302e6f_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4410/...c30e86e8_c.jpg

Also, I just realized the card says "Boston AL" but he's clearly wearing a St. Louis Browns uniform.

Family Affair...
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...ERRELL_NEW.JPG

..and here's his brother as a Cleveland Indian before also winding up in Boston...


...

Very nice. I may submit my Rick Ferrell to SGC tomorrow at the White Plains show.

Well, he's back from SGC. Looks great but must say I was surprised to see so much daylight between the gasket and the card:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4559/...03c5b1e0_z.jpg

Sharp looking card Andrew. I thought SGC puts them in a Mylar Sleeve and then the holder? Is the plastic holder acid free? I'm not to famerial with the kind of holders they use.

new Worch variation
 

At least I think so. All the other Martins I've seen have the blank background. Sometimes ebay still comes through...

Great pick up, Tim. Keen eye. I agree that ebay still has hidden treasures every now and then. My only current Worch is still here in post 97. I might have to pick up a few more in the future.

Time for an update on the Worches
 

Hi all,
Still obsessed with the Worches over here. I continue to compile new variations to the checklist, which is ever-expanding. If you have acquired any recently that you think might be uncataloged, let me know-

I am also trying to compile scans of all the cards. I need scans of all these MLB players. Please let me know if you can supply any, or even just confirm their existence.

Earl Adams
Ivy Andrews
Herman Bell
Estel Crabtree
George Davis
Leo Durocher
George Gibson
Burleigh Grimes
Charlie Grimm
Frank Grube
Jesse Haines
Ray Hayworth
Harvey Hendrick
Billy Herman
Frank Hogan
Hank Johnson
Sam Leslie
Ernie Lombardi
Adolfo Luque
Jim Mooney
Joe Moore
Bob O'Farrell
Ernie Orsatti
Eppa Rixey
Blondy Ryan
Roy Spencer
Casey Stengel
Riggs Stephenson
Gabby Street
Gus Suhr
Danny Taylor
Al Todd
Bill Urbanski
Johnny Vergez
Bill Walker
George Watkins

Burleigh "Berley" Grimes
 

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/204295...SWORCH_NEW.JPG

... Hi Tim The Worch Cigar Premium Grimes I'm cleaning to replace back into the 1935 St. Paul Saints poster has the first name spelled " Berley "----- Berley Grimes vs. "Burleigh Grimes"---what are the odds that it's two different players ??--hopes this muddies the waters for ya....

..

Grimeses
 

Hi "Mike,"
I know, I wondered whether the Burleigh Grimes might be a phantom thread from the Berley in the AA set - especially since no one has actually produced a Burleigh for inspection. But Burleigh was still pitching in 33, so we can't rule it out.

PMs and emails sent your way needing replies :)

Calling Mikegarcia
 

Hi Ben,

Did you see my note of Friday? I would love to get a pic of your Minneapolis poster for the checklisting effort. I think you have only sent the St Paul one previously. Please email me at apspr@msn.com

Riggs Stephenson
 

Here is a card that came in a lot of Burke postcards. It looks like a Worch to me. It wasn't shown in the lot on Ebay, so it was a bit of a surprise to receive it.

Nice, Jeff
 

That’s definitely a Worch!

Tim

I have never seen a photo of this player to compare to but I am guessing this is "Berley" Grimes for the 1935 St Paul Saints...

Bernell Grimes:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/r...d=grimes001ber

1933 Worch Cigar Hughie Critz???
 

Anyone have one that they're willing to part with???

1933 worch cigar Buddy Myer
 

Hey gang!
I scored the Hugh Critz I was looking for... Many thanks!
Now, I'm looking for a 1933 Worch Cigar Buddy Myer... Anybody have one? Looking for lower grade (i.e. less expensive), but will entertain anything...
Thanks in advance!

bumping this durable thread
 

so that anyone newly interested in the set who might not have seen can have the info more accessible