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ramram 09-26-2018 04:25 PM

Large pre-WWII American Basketball League (ABL) grouping
 
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1930’s Professional Basketball (ABL) Grouping. What started as just a handful of photos turned into a big haul of some rare early pro basketball material.

Background info - The American Basketball League was the first attempt to create a major basketball league and was the top pro league during this period. It popped into existence in the 1920’s and then disappeared when the depression hit, only to reorganize in the mid 1930’s. League teams struggled to survive during this period, often only drawing 800-1,000 spectators. They played in some unique small venues and often had bands and dance contests after the game. The teams were composed of some of the top former college players but also from players from the working class, especially from the Jewish communities.
This group consists of photos of the 1937-1938 New Jersey Reds who would go on to win the title that year. One of their players, Moe Spahn, would be the league MVP. The group also includes photos of the 1940-41 champion Philadelphia SPHAS (South Philadelphia Hebrew Association), which was a dominant team throughout this era. Also included are the publicity promos for these two teams. These were published to be handed out at the games and included all kinds of league and team information as well as a scorecard. These are typically 4 pages (two leaves) each. Photos are 8"x10".

New Jersey Reds
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Philadelphia SPHAS - Lautman, Goldman, Torgoff, Rosenberg
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Moe Spahn MVP - Receiving MVP trophy
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Promo Publications
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New Jersey Envelope and Letterhead
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New Jersey vs New York Celtics (Willie Scrill was a recently retired New Jersey Reds player)
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Details within the photo -
Interesting "net" on the goal
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Scoreboard
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Band sign
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Hankphenom 09-26-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ramram (Post 1815681)
1930’s Professional Basketball (ABL) Grouping. What started as just a handful of photos turned into a big haul of some rare early pro basketball material.

Great collection, particularly the pubs. When I was a dealer, I would occasionally come across a program for the Washington Bears, a black pro basketball team of the early 1940s. A little easier to find were programs for the BAA Washington capitols of the late 1940s and early 1950s coached by Red Auerbach.

RedsFan1941 09-26-2018 08:40 PM

that is some GREAT stuff! thanks for sharing

ramram 09-27-2018 07:53 AM

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Here are some details of the promo publication material:


The Jersey material covers 11/13/38 to 3/26/39
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The SPHAS material covers 10/28/39 to 4/6/40. This one includes a non-league game against the famous all-black New York Renaissance (aka Rens).
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There is only one from the Kingston team
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Michael B 09-27-2018 10:57 AM

Some good hall of famers in that material: Barney Sedran with the Kingston Colonials, Bobby McDermott with Baltimore (His induction year into the HOF was my first year attending though he was long deceased) and the NY Rens. The Rens are HOFers as a team and two of the members of that team are in as individuals - Tarzan Cooper and Pop Gates. Gates showed up every year after he was inducted and Johnny Isaacs appeared for many years.

ramram 09-27-2018 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael B (Post 1815814)
Some good hall of famers in that material: Barney Sedran with the Kingston Colonials, Bobby McDermott with Baltimore (His induction year into the HOF was my first year attending though he was long deceased) and the NY Rens. The Rens are HOFers as a team and two of the members of that team are in as individuals - Tarzan Cooper and Pop Gates. Gates showed up every year after he was inducted and Johnny Isaacs appeared for many years.

Some of those Rens players also played on some of the top Negro League baseball teams.

Rob M

Michael B 09-27-2018 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ramram (Post 1815842)
Some of those Rens players also played on some of the top Negro League baseball teams.

Rob M

It was not uncommon for pro baseball players to also play in the ABL, NBL and BAA in those years. I also noticed one of the ads on the same page with the SPHAS and Rens rosters. Just above the Rens is an ad for Sam Gerson. He was an Olympic silver medalist in wrestling in 1920 and founder of the U.S. Olympians, the alumni group of American Olympic athletes.

ramram 09-28-2018 10:48 AM

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You're definitely correct. This is baseball Hall of Famer Lou Boudreau playing for the NBL's Hammond team against John Wooden and his Indianapolis Kautsky's team in 1938.

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Smalltown 09-28-2018 12:39 PM

Love it. That's an incredible collection you have there!

Michael B 09-28-2018 12:53 PM

[QUOTE=ramram;1816070]You're definitely correct. This is baseball Hall of Famer Lou Boudreau playing for the NBL's Hammond team against John Wooden and his Indianapolis Kautsky's team in 1938.

There were a few other players I ran across when I was collecting basketball autographs. Most of the other pre-1950's players had short careers in both sports. In the 1950's you had Chuck Connors and Dick Groat. In the 1960's you had Ron Reed and Dave DeBusschere.

bgar3 09-28-2018 04:52 PM

Also Gene Conley and Bill Sherman, who I don’t think ever played, but did get thrown out of a game.

Michael B 09-28-2018 08:37 PM

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Also Gene Conley and Bill Sherman, who I don’t think ever played, but did get thrown out of a game.

Correct. Gene Conley is the only athlete to win and NBA and MLB championship - Boston Celtics and Milwaukee Braves. Sharman never played though I believe I read that he was on the bench during Bobby Thompson's home run.

jad22 09-29-2018 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael B (Post 1816189)
Correct. Gene Conley is the only athlete to win and NBA and MLB championship - Boston Celtics and Milwaukee Braves. Sharman never played though I believe I read that he was on the bench during Bobby Thompson's home run.

That is correct.

ramram 09-30-2018 01:19 PM

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If others have some early (pre WWII) pro basketball material throw it out here. It would be nice to see some of the items that are out there.

Hyee Auctions had five photos on ebay last week of Ft Wayne players from the 1920's ABL team. I picked up one of them (I believe this to be Homer Stonebraker aka Stonebreaker). Two of the other photos included basketball HOF Bennie Borgmann.

Rob M

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