Great Plank, Ted. The Monster can be confounding at times. Although it is generally thought that the SC150/25 back is more difficult across the board, in the case of Wagner and Plank, it is the SC150/30 that is relatively difficult to find.

On a side note, I've been looking at the T206 Magie portrait. Although the error is only found with a Piedmont 150 back, the correct version Magee actually has a lower PSA pop number with the Piedmont 150 back, (Magie 82 graded, Magee 69 graded) I may try to get the Magee Piedmont 150 first, and next I'll try and tackle the Magie...Rob

Someone check me on this count, but looking at these examples of Plank:

http://t206resource.com/Plank-Gallery.html

SC 150/25: 2
SC 150/30: 7
SC 150/can't read scan: 4
SC 350/30: 35
Pied: 4

A couple of the 150 examples are scrap/missing color.

Plank

SC 150/25: 1
SC 150/30: 9
PD 150: 5
SC 350/30: 35

Wagner

SC 150/25: 16
SC 150/30: 4
PD 150: 2

Steve and Patrick, thanks for chiming in with those numbers. I am not drawing any conclusions, just speculating. There is really not enough data to conclude a lot, other than Plank is easier to find with a 350 back.

The numbers y'all are presenting do line up more with the sc150/25 to sc150/30 general ratios I've seen. I still think the evidence we have to present is more anecdotal than scientific, but I enjoy the debate. Rob

T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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In 2007, I posted a thread on this "printer's mark" on the T206 Joe Doyle N.Y. card. I like to refer to this version of the Joe Doyle card as the "poor-man's"
substitute for the Joe Doyle Nat'L card :)


Regarding the Joe Doyle N. Y. Nat'L card, to date there are 9 (or 10) confirmed. The first one was actually in Senator Richard Russell's T-card collection
from his youth. However, it was unknown until his collection was placed on display at the Univ. of Georgia. The 2nd one was discovered by Larry Fritsch in
the early 1980's. The 3rd one was discovered by Bill Huggins in the mid-1980's. The rest is history.

In the scans here, seen in the middle Joe Doyle card is a printer's mark just to the right of the dot following the "Y". However minor this mark may appear,
it exactly lines up with the start of the "N" in the very scarce "Nat'L" variation. And it very slightly drops below the line of the Doyle, N.Y. lettering, as does
the leading serif of the letter "N" in the word "Nat'L" in the actual variation.

Since 2007, I've run a Survey measuring the availability of Joe Doyle cards with this printer's mark. The results (shown below) indicate that on the average
of 1 out of 16 cards have this mark.

So guys, how about a Show-n-Tell of your T206 Joe Doyle cards. Let's continue this Survey by posting a few more "printer's mark" Joe Doyle cards.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...edoylenatl.bmphttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...350xSOV350.jpg
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -^ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Printer's Mark - - - -^ (remnant of "N" in Nat'L)



Here's the results of my 12-year survey on this Joe Doyle "printer's mark". Last UPDATE in late 2019 (351 unique samples)


T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........10..........136

Sweet Cap 350.......7...........134

Polar Bear..............4............29

Old Mill..................1.............7

Sovereign 350.........0...........15

Tolstoi....................0.............6

EPDG.....................0.............2
____________________________

Totals.................. 22 ........ 329


22 - Joe Doyle cards with this printer's mark = 22/351 = 6.3 %


Thanks for your interest, and let's hear your responses.


TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ereign12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign460x14.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg


Since no one has posted their Joe Doyle cards, here are mine from my PIEDMONT and SOVERIGN sets. Obviously, these guys do not have the "printer's mark".
I can say for certain that the SOVEREIGN Joe Doyle cards will never be found with this tiny "printer's mark". I am certain about this because of its apple green
back, which is indicative of a later print run than the OLD MILL, PIEDMONT, POLAR BEAR, and SWEET CAPORAL print runs.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...nt350SGC40.jpg . . https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...vereign50x.jpghttps://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ereign50xb.jpg


TED Z
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I have one Ted. I’ll post a pic shortly.

T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card
 

Hi Sean

I can add another "printer's mark" Doyle to the Survey. Thanks for posting your "poor man's" substitute for the Joe Doyle Nat'L.


https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...sMark75x_1.jpg



UPDATED May 13, 2020 (352 unique samples)


T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........11..........136

Sweet Cap 350.......7...........134

Polar Bear..............4............29

Old Mill..................1.............7

Sovereign 350.........0...........15

Tolstoi....................0.............6

EPDG.....................0.............2
____________________________

Totals.................. 23 ........ 329


23 - Joe Doyle cards with this printer's mark...... 23/352 = 6.5 %



TED Z
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T206 REFERENCE...... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card
 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *

http://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...ereign12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...vereign12x.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign460x14.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...raphicbldg.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eetCap12xx.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...edHINDUx12.jpghttp://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan7...eign350x13.jpg



Six new inputs to this Joe Doyle survey....two via emails, and four Joe Doyle cards that I checked-out.
None of these 6 inputs have the "printer's mark" in their caption.

Hey guys, show us your T206 Joe Doyle cards. Let's see if we can find a few more with this "printer's mark".



https://photos.imageevent.com/tedzan...ersMark75x.jpg



UPDATED May 14, 2020 (358 unique samples)


T-brand.............Mark.....No-Mark

Piedmont 350........11..........138

Sweet Cap 350.......7...........135

Polar Bear..............4............31

Old Mill..................1.............7

Sovereign 350.........0...........16

Tolstoi....................0.............6

EPDG.....................0.............2
____________________________

Totals.................. 23 ........ 335


23 - Joe Doyle cards with this printer's mark...... 23/358 = 6.4 %



TED Z
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