1952 Bowman Stan Musial PSA 10 on eBay :o
 

Wow...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142742006298?ul_noapp=true

PWCC in the House

Ten Grand! Wow!

Lovely card. Somebody probably paid about $50 for it thirty years ago.

Wowser!!! Very nice, but just a tad out of my price range.

LOL!! You are probably right!

Funny, if someone had posted that thing raw on here asking for opinions, I'd have said fake without thinking twice.

Why Jeff?? Too perfect?? it doesn't have any of the telltale signs of being a fake,.

wow...Stan looks "pack fresh!" you could cut your steak with those corners!

LOL...If you do, you aren't getting $10k for it anymore.

Unbelievable - Just WOW

Amazing card! I have my doubts on this card being unaltered

Sweet but they don't have it labeled HE! :D

Beautiful card, but I have never had or seen one w/o one or both sides rough cut.

Not HE. Not interested.

Just checked my lowly 7 and yeah there is a bit of a rough cut on the right side.

Maybe the edges are beyond the tolerances of the card and you can "Hand Cut" the edges down to the nominal size and have it regraded:D:D You are welcome:D:D

Glad I am not the only one that was seeing that. There is no paper or fiber pull anywhere either.

It is a sad state in the hobby when anytime we see a perfect card we automatically wonder how/what was done to the card. Not saying that attitude isn't well deserved.

Andrew I suppose next you will be saying I own a altered 58 Topps Warren Spahn.:D:D:D Seriously I pack pulled it like that.:eek:;)

I love to see freshly graded high end example and normally don't scrutinize too much. For this card however, the normal attributes of a 1952 Musial are missing.

LMAO!! At first I was wondering what the heck you were talking about then I remembered. That Spahn is a neat card though.

Exactly. Would have just assumed fake due to centering and corners before looking closer.

The owner of my local card shop bought like 100 sets of 1986 Topps Update. He sent psa 100 EACH of the Canseco, Bonds, and Bo Jacksons. Mind you, these cards were all in a sealed set until the moment he sent them. Not one card received a PSA 10. Now tell me how a 60 year old card, which for about 30 of those years didn't have much financial value at all, can be pulled out of a pack of gum by some kid, stored god knows how, and remain a 10. I'm not sure, but I don't think they had nice holders for those cards in the 50's and 60's. It's truly amazing. Having have said all that, I just don't see how that card is worth 5-figures more than Peter's 7 (yes, I saw the right border). It is truly insane.

I have long suspected there are politics involved in 10s, at least at the very expensive level.

One seller, 17,000+ PSA 10s.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...sa+10&_sacat=0

His 71 Seaver is no even close to a 10. 7 at best! A lot of 7-9 but nothing a true ten

hand cut 10's...hostess 10's...he definitely has friends in high places!!!

he doesn't get cheated.

Oops. Sorry, thought I was in the prewar section. Pardon my canines:D

It's not certified high end, I'll pass

One of the great mysteries of the hobby is why some Mint cards get 9's and some get 10's. All of them are basically the same, so some other factor is involved in the decision.

What stood out to me was the amount of junk-era crap that isn't even worth grading unless you are guaranteed a 10. And even at a 10, they are only worth a few bucks more than the cost of grading. I can understand graded cards selling for $10 when they obviously just came in lower than the owner had hoped. But a psa 10 for $10.00 seems like a $3 profit in a best case scenerio.

One of my best friends in the hobby would walk the floor of every show he went to (and he went to alot) looking at 52 Bowman's and specifically at Musial's. He must have shown me a hundred top examples of the card and I never saw one that looked like the one that sold. I would give that card a 10 all day long it is heads and shoulders above any other 52 Musial. Congrats to new owner.

I have read that 4SharpCorners has a sweetheart deal with PSA where they have thousands of cards reviewed monthly and only slabbed if they meet a certain grade threshhold. Say something on the order of $2 per card review and $4-5 for the ones that deserve to be slabbed. The ones that don't make the grade probably get sold raw by New England or tried again. At that price, it's a whole lot easier to make a profit.

I've always been tempted to buy say 100 PSA 10s from them, crack them out and resubmit, and see how many 10s I get. I am guessing no more than 10 and probably closer to 5.

Not because their cards don't deserve 10s, but because 10s are an arbitrary grade IMO and I think there has to be some element of it makes a difference who is submitting.

The bar codes on the cardsavers going to the graders have no information on who submitted them. I am not a #conspiracytheory guy.

If they have a stack of 1000 high grade cards from the 70s and up, they know damn well it's one of a small handful of major submitters, no?

Do my experiment, I dare you. :)

And the most expensive card is a PSA 10 hand cut 1985 box bottom? hmmm...

Did anyone else notice the uniform in the lower lefthand corner of the cards are slightly different? One shows a little "white" below the red band, the other shows no "white." Pictures cropped differently on the plate?

Possibly ink bleed. I wouldn't think they would re-crop something in print unless it is a major flaw.

I wondered/asked that same question back in 2016 when I joined the site. I wondered then, not thinking anything fishy was going on, how someone preserved a card/cards for all those years to receive some of the grades they got?
Some answered, which is likely true as well, that those were likely placed in books and the like and long forgotten about.

I recently tried to join a FaceBook card site and the one question I was asked before I was granted admission was, "Who do you think is better, PSA or SGC"?
I answered, I thought SGC was more accurate/harsher/consistent when it came to grading, and I haven't heard a word nor been excepted since. :D

WOW. Went for $28,100.

Mine doesn't look so bad in comparison for $280.... haha

Sheesh.

60/40 top to bottom, forget it :). Nice card, a lot of money.

I can't believe there are people that damn naive out there still. This sh!t truly makes me sick to my stomach.

+1...I'd have used a different word than "naive" myself!!!!

I was being nice. Not normal for me I know:D

I guess this is the part of the show where guys take snide online pot shots at how another man spends his hard-earned money, as if what they would choose to spend that man's money on is so much— somehow— better.

I'm certainly the type of collector who would prefer to pay a premium for a centered 4 with eye appeal over whatever a 60/40 Gem Mt 10 would cost— but I also think it's poor form to take time from my day to rain on someone's parade if they bought something I wouldn't. End of the day it's another fellow collector/card enthusiast and rather than insulting him we should hope the gentleman is happy with his new card.

i don't care how much and how you earned your hard earned money ...spending 28K on a card like that is just plain stupid! And I'll say it again and again and again!

Ha! I'd say more like 55/45 :p

Hey, if you have a ton of money and are a big Musial fan, you might be wiling to pay as much as it takes.

Stupid based on what criteria? Maybe the guy loved the card. Or if he's a flipper, maybe he makes a successful sale. In which case to him it wasn't stupid at all.

In terms of personal collecting preference and choices, we are probably in perfect agreement on the Musial 10 in question, yet why the need to insult a fellow collector?

Please post up some of your card purchases so they can be evaluated in kind.

you're right...no point is arguing or demeaning others for how they choose to spend their money. not my kind of card...nor the way I choose to collect...to each their own...live and let live. i will post a recent purchase for you guys soon to rip to threads!

Here is a recent addition to my armpit collection. Tear me apart...I can take it!

It's an e90-1 btw.

I will start, Pete you paid too much and what is it? It doesnt sparkle and I can't find that guy on any current roster, does he even still play?:eek::D;)

Pete we should start a Roast me thread. People can Post picks of a single card and we can tell them how they should have better spent their money and time. Actually keep an eye out because I am going to get it going:D:D

BTW the centering on that Sh!tty Wags card is about as off as your personality!

Pete,

Need to know what you paid to really tear that Wags to shreds— though someone clearly already got to it pretty good.

I have to run to work, but I will try and write up some quality withering invective for you by end of day ;)

Just joshing of course. My kind of card if gotten at an easy price.

* Though in the spirit of the usual online discourse, those 4 somewhat equally rounded corners are a telltale sign of an artificially aged reprint!

MC

i paid a tad bit over 1/28th the cost of the musial.

haha...I think!!!!!:p

Sold this about two years back...
 

to a Net54 peasant;) Originally bought for either a dime or a quarter - don't remember exactly since it was the 1960s:D

Rip it to shreds:

Nice.. I really do think this one of the more beautiful cards out there, in general.

This. It is a rigged game.

I'm just glad to finally see Musial get some respect. Still not Mantle money, but not bad!:D

Nice card.:)

I'm not sure Musial is getting respect here; a PSA FLIP is getting the respect here. That's what I think Pete was referring to when he said it was stupid. I agree that we should not attack other collectors for buying whatever they want, but (Pete correct me if I'm wrong here) I think he was referring to the practice of paying insane amounts for a flip. If you shoved Peter's psa 7 in that 10 holder, the guy still would have bought it for 28k. Thats the Problem. Pete isn't mocking fellow CARD collectors; he's addressing the logic of collecting FLIPS.

I think there is a fine line between insulting fellow collectors and having an educated discussion on a baseball card forum about how wise it is to spend multiple thousands of dollars on a card because of the holder it is in (see the black swamp find thread). Use of the word "stupid" may cross that line, but that's Pete's opinion. Part of the purpose of our forum is to share opinions. I would bet the buyer has a Musial registry and needed the 10. Good for him. He's got the money for it and he needs it to improve his registry. Nothing wrong with that. Problem is that we know that card could be broken out, resubmitted, and get a 9. Then we must ask "is the CARD worth 28k?" At the end of the day, if high grade Musials is what that collector collects, then God bless him. He chose a hell of a player. But do not be mistaken. A PSA 10 holder got the respect here, not the Hall of Famer the card depicts.

Well the SGC 82 has to be worth a couple bucks more now....lol....

Nice card btw!

:)

One wonders what this card would have sold for as an SGC 98. Less than half is my guess.

I agree. I'd guess 5-7k

Probably nothing because I think SGC would have not graded it with more than an A!

For the record I was the winning bidder. I am not stupid nor naïve. I graduated from college Cum Laude and own/run a multi-million $ company that sells into major retailers across the USA. I collected as a kid in the early 80's and my mom would take me to cards shows when Larry Fritsch had all the goodies. I am a meat and potatoes kind of guy that knows how to outfox and trap coyotes and I enjoy matching wits and killing big Whitetail Bucks who have a superior sense of sight and smell.

I bought the card because I simply love the fact that it is a HOF Musial and a fantastic image of him and that it is an extraordinary 66 year old example that made it through all the pitfalls from antiquated manufacturing/distribution and dodged the bullets of kid handling, bike spokes, tape, thumb tacks, and the list goes on to become a PSA 10.

I'm not a flipper, set builder, registry collector, or a Flip Chaser.

My collection consists of mostly Rookies but also some special non-Rookies plus vintage unopened. Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey. And a few non-sports. I respect all cards from PSA 1 to PSA 10 and respect all collectors.


This is my very first and only Musial and have been patiently waiting for a special one for a number of years since I got back into collecting. I may not own another Musial.

I may or may not sell my valuable collection some day. Hopefully some of the extra special one's like the Musial will be passed down.

All in all I really like and appreciate the card not only because it is Musial but because of all its attributes and yes for sure because it is a PSA 10.

Do I wish I could have got it for less?? Heck yeah, but I'd be kicking myself today if I put a top bid in of $15K.

Congrats! It's a beautiful card in any condition...

First welcome to the board. Secondly we should run some Yotes. I am selfish on the Bucks though. I am guessing you are in the Dakotas/Wisconsin/ or MN based on your name?

It is your money to spend however. It is also your collection. As stated before I do not feel that the card you paid for is the card you got in that holder. To each their own though!

Can you recap what you mean by this??

Congrats. I am glad you bought a card that you love. I think it is Stan The Man's most beautiful issue.

What? You need me to say that I think the card is altered and unworthy of a grade 10?

I guess I did that already in earlier post

Thanks! And totally agree, not only in general but otherwise specific to a fabulous postwar set full of great looking cards.

So you, sitting there in front of a computer, looking at a two dimensional scan, can see all of that, and see it better than PSA?

That's not an insult, just reiterating the facts as you see them.

Congrats...and UFFDAH is right! As long as you're happy...that's all that matters. No doubt it's a gorgeous card...didn't mean to call you stupid...I like others here just think its ridiculous the prices some high grade examples command when the difference esthetically is not visible to the human eye...or most graders on any given day.

I have no idea about this card, but quite a few big ticket 10s are 9s that were brought in at shows.

He's not saying he can see better from his computer and is better than any TPG. This is the sharpest '52 Musial out there and has one noticeable concern, at least to him and I. One of the attributes of the '52 Musial is a rough cut on one or both sides. This one has razor sharp sides with no paper pull to be seen. But that's just me, I'd question an OPC Gretzky 10 w/o a rough cut.

I really hope it is unaltered because this the best Musial and well worth the 28K, congrats.