Willie Mays Conspiracy Theory
I have had this thought for some time, but never asked for opinions and maybe you guys have the answer.
I find it odd that the Willie Mays in-person autos I have seen from recent card shows are sloppy and not aligned (which makes sense since he is almost blind), and the autos authenticated by Say Hey always look perfect and sell for a fraction of his in-person prices. Has anybody ever seen him sign for Say Hey? Is that really his company? Just wondering... |
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I have seen a number of Willie Mays baseballs with say hey holograms that are fakes.
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I hear what you're saying...but I know for sure that there are "Stan the Man" hologram'd items that Musial has in storage that are for sale as well.
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That said, I suppose they may have stockpiled a family inventory that has not been released. Joe DiMaggio signed a ton of items that were expressly for the purpose of release after his death. |
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Player: Why do you need me to sign 2,000 baseballs? Player's kid: To sell, of course. Player: How about I sign 50? When you sell those I will sign 50 more. Seems to make more sense that way. Player's kid: I don't mean sell now. I figured I will wait until your dead then I can charge more. Don't want to miss out on that golden opportunity. |
I'm not a father, but I can imagine a situation where the parent wants to do something so that their kids have a nest egg or whatever after their death.
Some people buy life insurance, some people sign baseballs. Maybe there's been some news story about the Musial kids or the Mays kids being greedy...I don't know. I do know that Bobby Doerr still signs and he's the oldest HOFer out there...and he does it for free. Maybe it reminds him of the "good ol' days". Too hard to know to pass too much judgement. |
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Joe DiMaggio: The Hero's Life goes into great detail about Joe D's autograph deals. A fascinating read. |
Having a ball he signed years ago and selling them more recently is the only way I would believe they were authentic. How can you go from a flawless sig to a sloppy inscription?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Willie-Mays-...item1c249e7fba |
If I could crap money just by signing my name I'd stockpile items for my daughter to sell after I died so she could cash in. Seems like a nice legacy to leave to one's family.
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Wow. That is awful.
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JimStinson
My kids ask me for my autograph all of the time.....but its always on CHECKS !:(
_______________________ jim@stinsonsports.com |
Resurrecting an old thread. Any updates on this question?
I came across the below thread on another website from a few years ago. http://live.autographmagazine.com/fo...age=1#comments |
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I wonder if that is why Steiner has changed their hologram sticker that now has a serial number on it.
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Reading the thread on the other site the one thing I find most amusing/interesting is that these questionable Willie Mays autographs originate in Florida. What an amazing coincidence.
What once was the Sunshine State is now the state with a VERY dark cloud over it, for multiple reasons. |
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All of that GFA-certed crap (both the machine-produced and hand-penned forgeries) originate from Florida. |
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So are the TPAs just denying anything with a Willie Mays say hey hologram on it? That would be unfortunate, as the company was once legitimate on the not too distant past. I have a couple of items with a say hey hologram on them.
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How nice of them to share their skills with the rest of us. :(:(:( I am waiting for an auction on ebay to appear offering these holograms. "Create your own fakes, Opening Bid $9.99." |
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Please correct me if I missed something. |
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Let's face it fellow autograph collectors after the aging paper and ink techniques appeared mainstream 75-80 years ago and then laser printers and good quality photographic reproduction techniques and products appeared and then fake LOAs appeared and then substiting items in cases started wouldn't the next natural evolutionary step in autograph forgery be a counterfeit / copied hologram . Should we really be surprised that this is now occurring ?
Autographs have been forged for how many years 100-200 going back to Presidential and Royalty signatures ? As in so many cases the criminal will always find a way to evolve in order to sell their products and in most cases are already planning their next foray into the hobby despite our best efforts to stop them . You can't wipe out forgers in our hobby any more than you can rid the world of rats or roaches....they adapt and continue despite our best efforts . Be vigilant and educate yourselves is still the best advice . |
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http://www.cleansweepauctions.com/im...mays524400.jpg
So here's a recent auto that looks appropriate for a man of his age and condition, but looks nothing like the Say Hey hologram ones. Just putting it out there. |
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I attached my Willie Mays with his hologram and a PSA sticker. Always just assumed it was real but due to this thread maybe not. Just thought I'd contribute this as another example for people to decide if they think these are fake.
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