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smrtn240 03-17-2019 02:26 PM

Future value of Jeter cards after HOF induction
 
Would one consider the value of Derek Jeter cards (esp. rc's and tougher minor league cards) to jump in value much more than where they are now after his induction? Just curious as it seems his cards are peaking right now. Let me know your thoughts..

Republicaninmass 03-17-2019 02:39 PM

I'd assume both supply and demand would rise, if that helps!

lowpopper 03-17-2019 02:42 PM

Pump and Dump will most likely happen. I do not believe the dust will settle
behind the line of scrimmage however. Biggest question is how big will the bubble get?

Peter_Spaeth 03-17-2019 05:21 PM

It's self evident he will make the HOF probably unanimously so why would they jump if that's already priced in?

steve B 03-18-2019 02:08 PM

Typically cards of "sure thing" hall of famers follow the same pattern. Boost in price right near retirement, gradual fall off till a bit before election, price rise till a bit after induction, then gradual settling in to a mostly stable level.

There used to also be little jumps for things like someone becoming a manager, or dying, but I haven't tracked anything that closely in years.

bnorth 03-18-2019 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B (Post 1863479)
Typically cards of "sure thing" hall of famers follow the same pattern. Boost in price right near retirement, gradual fall off till a bit before election, price rise till a bit after induction, then gradual settling in to a mostly stable level.

There used to also be little jumps for things like someone becoming a manager, or dying, but I haven't tracked anything that closely in years.

This is the trend I have noticed for the last 20 years. In some cases it is the only time you can sell their cards is when they are inducted into the HOF.

Yastrzemski Sports 03-18-2019 06:40 PM

Exactly. Look at Mariano. His stuff was super hot in January when it was announced that he was the first unanimous inductee. Since then the news has subsided as has demand. There may be a bump around induction time.

I wouldnít plan on Jeter stuff skyrocketing in value because of his induction. There will be a large amount of interest when the announcement is made. The trick to Jeter is that heís still active and there is an upside and a downside. Since his involvement with the Marlins - his stock has actually fallen for the first time in his career. If he can put a winning team on the field his stuff will go up. A ws win would elevate him to a new level.

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Originally Posted by steve B (Post 1863479)
Typically cards of "sure thing" hall of famers follow the same pattern. Boost in price right near retirement, gradual fall off till a bit before election, price rise till a bit after induction, then gradual settling in to a mostly stable level.

There used to also be little jumps for things like someone becoming a manager, or dying, but I haven't tracked anything that closely in years.


WillBBC 03-21-2019 10:04 AM

Man, Jeter prices are absolutely bonkers right now. PSA 8 SP rookies have almost doubled in price since November.

smrtn240 03-24-2019 11:46 AM

tell me about it, wish I kept my 8.5 and not sold it 5 years ago !

rjackson44 04-14-2019 10:17 AM

Pick up the pinnacle black borders. Love them

MVSNYC 04-14-2019 09:24 PM

Respectfully, all of the above theories don't really hold water, as there's been a robust, unexplainable rise in his cards over the last few months that aren't tied to retirement, death, HOF induction or coaching. I think the demand for his cards is actually outweighing the supply (and as we know there's a huge supply), so that speaks volumes.

I believe there'll be higher prices yet to come, especially in 2020.

glynparson 04-18-2019 07:02 AM

Higher for a time will come back down on the easiest stuff but will remain high on the better stuf. some (of the better stuff) may slightly dip (in time after the initial rise) but rebound.

I think it is stupid but will probably happen are people that thick they think he isn't getting in? Do they not think he already has a premium? Honestly to me he is the most overrated player of all-time but he has the demand and thats what matters not what i think about him but what those in the market feel.

MVSNYC 04-18-2019 01:54 PM

Glyn, 6th on the all time hits list and 5 rings is overrated?

Yastrzemski Sports 04-18-2019 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 1871170)
Glyn, 6th on the all time hits list and 5 rings is overrated?

Jeter is a first ballot HOF. He had a great career.

His numbers most closely resemble Paul Molitor. His stuff is priced like Mickey Hank and Willie. He was in the right place at the right time and drafted by the right team. But for the numbers he put up he is very overrated. No MVP awards and frequently wasnít the best player on his own team.

Peter_Spaeth 04-18-2019 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1871242)
Jeter is a first ballot HOF. He had a great career.

His numbers most closely resemble Paul Molitor. His stuff is priced like Mickey Hank and Willie. He was in the right place at the right time and drafted by the right team. But for the numbers he put up he is very overrated. No MVP awards and frequently wasn’t the best player on his own team.

But that's the thing -- the best player on his team for much of his career was a despised and disgraced superstar with far superior talent. Jeter was the perfect foil, and profited tremendously by the comparison to ARod I believe in the eyes of fans.

MVSNYC 04-18-2019 11:00 PM

All in good fun guys...Jeter never paid my rent (see Bronx Tale), so I don't have a particular obsession with him...I just think he had the "it" factor...Paul Molitor didn't, sorry. Jeter was a fierce competitor, team leader and gutsy player. Let's not overlook the fact that he had more hits than Honus Wagner.

Peter_Spaeth 04-18-2019 11:06 PM

10th SS in WAR per Baseball Reference. Wagner 130.8 Jeter 72.4. Let's not get too carried away invoking Wagner as a point of reference. Great player yes but his hobby standing far outstrips his pure baseball value IMO. Still, for all the reasons discussed, understandable. An easy hero in an age of users and jerks.

MVSNYC 04-18-2019 11:55 PM

Peter- the point of reference to Wagner was a simple fact, that Jeter had more hits than him, was all.

Peter_Spaeth 04-19-2019 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 1871309)
Peter- the point of reference to Wagner was a simple fact, that Jeter had more hits than him, was all.

Mike OK but it seems you assign importance to the fact. Adrian Beltre had more hits than Babe Ruth too.

Let's try it this way, if you could only pick one of the two players for your team, who would you choose, Jeter or ARod? Jeter or Miggy Cabrera? Jeter or Griffey? Jeter or Ripken?

WillBBC 04-19-2019 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1871242)
Jeter is a first ballot HOF. He had a great career.

His numbers most closely resemble Paul Molitor. His stuff is priced like Mickey Hank and Willie. He was in the right place at the right time and drafted by the right team. But for the numbers he put up he is very overrated. No MVP awards and frequently wasnít the best player on his own team.

This is an interesting point. Is Jeter the greatest player to never win an MVP? Manny Ramirez probably should've won one in the mid-late 90s but that never happened.

Jeter's '99 and '06 seasons were certainly MVP worthy. Falling 2nd behind Morneau in 2006 was certainly a surprise.

rhettyeakley 04-19-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by WillBBC (Post 1871374)
This is an interesting point. Is Jeter the greatest player to never win an MVP? Manny Ramirez probably should've won one in the mid-late 90s but that never happened.

Jeter's '99 and '06 seasons were certainly MVP worthy. Falling 2nd behind Morneau in 2006 was certainly a surprise.

He is probably top 5 of the non-MVP winners but I'd take Mel Ott, Eddie Mathews an Wade Boggs over Jeter. He is right there in that next group of guys for me with Tony Gwynn, Eddie Murray, Manny Ramirez, Mike Piazza, Craig Biggio, Al Simmons, etc.

Yastrzemski Sports 04-19-2019 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 1871299)
All in good fun guys...Jeter never paid my rent (see Bronx Tale), so I don't have a particular obsession with him...I just think he had the "it" factor...Paul Molitor didn't, sorry. Jeter was a fierce competitor, team leader and gutsy player. Let's not overlook the fact that he had more hits than Honus Wagner.

I think thatís the point. Jeter and Molitor are equivalent players. Jeter is the most highly touted player of his generation with comparisons to Yankee Greats like Mantle, Gehrig, Mantle and Ruth. Leading to the conclusion that he is extremely overrated.

packs 04-19-2019 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1871405)
I think thatís the point. Jeter and Molitor are equivalent players. Jeter is the most highly touted player of his generation with comparisons to Yankee Greats like Mantle, Gehrig, Mantle and Ruth. Leading to the conclusion that he is extremely overrated.

Is that true, though? I don't feel like the perception is that Jeter was as good as guys like Mantle and DiMaggio, just that he held a similar status among his teammates and enjoyed a similar amount of respect in the clubhouse and game at large.

Yastrzemski Sports 04-19-2019 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by packs (Post 1871435)
Is that true, though? I don't feel like the perception is that Jeter was as good as guys like Mantle and DiMaggio, just that he held a similar status among his teammates and enjoyed a similar amount of respect in the clubhouse and game at large.

Exactly. He holds the same status and respect without the career = overrated.

WillBBC 04-19-2019 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports (Post 1871438)
Exactly. He holds the same status and respect without the career = overrated.

He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!'

Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan.

I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs.

Peter_Spaeth 04-19-2019 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBBC (Post 1871442)
He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!'

Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan.

I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs.

Harper would probably order a bottle of whiskey. Trout would order a milkshake and drink only half of it.

MVSNYC 04-19-2019 05:10 PM

Adam, clearly we will never convince each other that the other person is right. So, again, let's respectfully agree to disagree.

I don't think people compare Jeter to Ruth or Mantle's career accomplishments or stats, BUT I think most baseball fans (especially knowledgable of Yankee history), have him as last generation's Yankee superstar, who completes the chain chronologically...Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Munson, Reggie, Mattingly...and Jeter.

I still think people here (for an unknown reason) are downplaying the fact he is 6th on the all-time hits list (that's an enormous feat), as well as being a major contributor to 5 championships. When I look at him, I don't just look at stats on paper...there's many intangibles.

aconte 04-19-2019 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1871458)
Harper would probably order a bottle of whiskey. Trout would order a milkshake and drink only half of it.


Lol. That's kind of funny!

Yastrzemski Sports 04-19-2019 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBBC (Post 1871442)
He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

Just to be clear, I said his stats and career most closely resemble Paul Molitor. I agree that his level of fame is the same as the elite players in baseball history even though the performance isnít there. Like I said, he had a great, 1st ballot HOF career. But heís not one of the 5 greatest Yankees.

That being said, it is much better to be overrated than underrated.

maniac_73 04-19-2019 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by WillBBC (Post 1871442)
He may have the same fame but I don't think any 'smart' baseball fan out there thinks he's on the same level of Mays and Mantle. Fame wise, he's right there.

If there's a tower of famous American athletes since the early 1980s, Michael Jordan is number 1 by a mile but that next step down will certainly have Jeter. Right now the guy with the highest Q rating in baseball is Bryce Harper. Is he the best player in the league? Of course not, but if he and Trout walk into a bar, he's the guy that non everyday baseball people turn and go, 'WOW THAT'S BRYCE HARPER!'

Jeter had a national farewell commercial by Nike! Who was the last guy to have one of those? Jordan.

I'm not trying to counter the 'Jeter is overrated' argument, folks can throw that out all they want. Just trying to point out that regardless of how his numbers stack up to guys like Mantle and Mays, his fame at the very least matches theirs.

Jordan is number 1 but I would put Tiger as a close number 2

rhettyeakley 04-20-2019 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1871458)
Harper would probably order a bottle of whiskey. Trout would order a milkshake and drink only half of it.

That is a clown question, bro!!!

I know it was a joke but the funny thing is that Bryce Harper is a practicing Mormon and doesnít drink alcohol.

Peter_Spaeth 04-21-2019 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley (Post 1871562)
That is a clown question, bro!!!

I know it was a joke but the funny thing is that Bryce Harper is a practicing Mormon and doesnít drink alcohol.

Interesting, was not aware of that.

MVSNYC 05-15-2019 11:02 PM

Is that true Rhett? Interesting for sure.

MVSNYC 05-16-2019 07:39 AM

Ridiculous prices on the Jeter SP last night, via PWCC eBay auctions.

PSA 9 = $7000
SGC 9 = $4200
SGC 9.5 = $8700

irv 05-16-2019 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC (Post 1878101)
Ridiculous prices on the Jeter SP last night, via PWCC eBay auctions.

PSA 9 = $7000
SGC 9 = $4200
SGC 9.5 = $8700

The PSA 10 that sold last year for just under a 100 g's, via PWCC, has been removed for some reason?
Could be back up now as they claimed, uncoincidentally, that they were doing some upgrades to their inventory lists/computer? :rolleyes:

rjackson44 05-17-2019 02:58 PM

just got 10 psa8 1993 topps well centered $15 each with shipping ,,,oh well ,$150,


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