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jefferyepayne 03-02-2018 07:20 AM

Old Timers Who Belong in the HOF
 
There are lots of pro football players prior to 1970 that deserve some consideration for the HOF. Unfortunately at this point it is very unlikely many of them will get in. Post those you think at least deserve a look and any cards / images you have of them here.

jeff

DBesse27 03-02-2018 07:56 AM

I may be biased, but I do believe the AFL's all time leading scorer and 1964 MVP deserves a look.

https://i.imgur.com/byat0jy.jpg

supplex55 03-02-2018 09:27 PM

Off the top of my head--Johnny Robinson, Drew Pearson, Cliff Branch and the only 2 time MVP not in the HOF--Daryle Lamonica.

TanksAndSpartans 03-02-2018 11:10 PM

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I like colorful cards like Chicles, Leafs, and Bowmans, so I donít even wind up collecting anything from the eras that Iím most interested. Jeff, can you help me out with some images?

There arenít any Nessers in the HOF. Iíd start with 3 of them (Ted, Frank, and Al). Iíd have Calac as I mentioned. Then Iíd take Lavvie Dilweg, Duke Slater, and Tony Latone. Thereís a handful of other pre-1920 players Iím still researching so I wonít go out on a limb with them, but anyone can pm me for those.

Well, since Dan opened the door to bias, I'll show one card of a player who was both a Tank and a Spartan:

revmoran 03-03-2018 02:09 PM

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4789/...235c03e8_b.jpg

jefferyepayne 03-04-2018 09:00 AM

Items that depict some of the stars from the 20s are tough to find as most weren't depicted on cards. Here are some images I have for the ones John mentioned above.

1916 Canton Bulldogs composite with Pete Calac.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZQ...r=w800-h641-no

Image up close.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Gw...r=w673-h923-no

Ted Nesser (and son). Only father and son to ever play in the NFL together.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dq...=w1000-h745-no

Al Nesser.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/V3...0=w436-h599-no

Tony Latone (plus autograph).
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3e...-=w494-h640-no

Dilweg.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/sc...b=w518-h669-no

jeff

TanksAndSpartans 03-04-2018 09:50 AM

Wow! Awesome items.

Mike, nice Lavie Dilweg piece. I also bid on a matchbook once which I think may have been a promotional piece for his campaign, but I’m not sure.

Jeff, great idea for a thread. Several of the players depicted in your Canton Bulldogs composite in addition to Calac are on my list of pre-NFL players worth a look for the HOF:

Ralph “Fats” Waldsmith (who I list first because I have him as the best Center of the era which is saying something because there was good competition)
Howard “Cap” Edwards
Clarence “Doc” Spears
Milton Ghee (probably not considered as good of a pure passer as his contemporaries Al Marht and Gus Dorias, but I liken him to Bob Waterfield.)

Not to go on a tangent, but... my records have Greasy Neale playing for Canton in ’15 and ’17 which matches him not being in your composite, but why didn't he play in '16? He didn't want to risk his day job?

Nice photos of Ted and Al. I think Frank is the most underrated - he was a solid passer, punter, and ball carrier and played some minor league baseball which to me shows he was a solid athlete, not just a big goon on the line :). Wikipedia says this:

"Nesser was also a minor league baseball player in the Ohio State League from 1910–1914. He later played in the North Carolina State League in 1915 and 1916. After abandoning baseball for a few years he restarted his career in the Illinois–Indiana–Iowa League in 1920 and played one final season, in 1921, in the Michigan–Ontario League. He left baseball after 9 seasons in which he posted a .325 batting average."

It would be something if there had been a baseball card of Frank. I think some of the contemporary tobacco card issues did include minor leaguers.

Great signed Latone piece. He was a senior finalist at one point and in Ralph Hickok's bio of Johnny Blood where they are both at the HOF in '73 and Blood is asked by John Bankert and Jim Campbell if any players from his era ought to be in the HOF he said:

"Tony was a Jim Taylor type, ran low with real high knee action, and you couldn't hit him hard enough to make him happy. You could just clobber him, you'd think you wiped him out, knocked him out of the game, and he'd get up and grin at you. Like he was saying, 'Is that the best you can do?' If you tried to tackle him low, one of his knees might break your nose, and if you tried to get him high, he'd carry you on his back for five or six yards, and then he wouldn't go down unless a couple other people helped you out. He was also a great linebacker, if he played today, he'd be in a class with Nitschke and Butkus, the same type, a ferocious hitter. And he could also get into pass coverage when he had to."

AFLfan 03-04-2018 10:30 AM

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Here are a handful from my little era...

Bigshot69 03-04-2018 12:26 PM

Maybe not old school, but I always felt Karl Mecklenburg should be in the HoF. The guy has nearly 80 sacks, 4 X 1st Team All-NFL, and literally carried an otherwise weak Broncos defense during thier first couple AFC Championship runs with Elway under Center.

pclpads 03-04-2018 01:28 PM

Missing FB HOFers
 
Charley Conerly QB of the '50's Giants; and the '60's AFL Dolts guard Walt Sweeney. Always surprised the Giffer didn't push for CC's election as they were teammates for 10 years and from what I've read, pretty tight. And CC was a helluva QB in his own stead.


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