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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>You guys pick.... For anyone interested please make note of the numbers in the current poll. It will come down when we decide what the next poll will be. We won't take this current poll down until tomorrow at soonest though. Most votes gets it (new poll)....

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>still shocked no one has commented on my observation, that this board, which seems to be overwhelmingly in favor of "raw" cards, during discussions and many of you constently bash grading companies...YET, only 12% prefers raw cards...61 people out of almost 500...this baffles me...<br /><br />anyway. my vote is for a new poll...topic to be determined...

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>What group comprises the "backbone" of the hobby

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I'm with John S. here is our new poll:<br /><br />How do people like to collect:<br /><br />1) PSA-8 (SGC 88) or better<br />2) PSA 6-7 (SGC 80-84)<br />3) PSA 3-5 (SGC 40-60)<br />4) Less than PSA 3 (SGC 40)<br />5) raw cards<br /><br />Seems like an issue we are actively debating.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>there are problems with such a simple cut & dry poll..<br /><br />which one do i click? i collect T206 8's, but i also collect rare variations, rare backs, etc...most are graded 3-5...<br /><br />as much as i love my 8's, and actively pursue them...i still get a kick out of holding a low-grade drum, uzit, or o'hara...i love this hobby, and am pretty knowledgable about vintage cards...but i cannot just simply click one of those choices, as i am sure some of you can't either...<br /><br />maybe the answer is to have a few more categories...<br /><br />ONLY collect high grade<br />ONLY collect low grade<br />collect high grade and low grade rarities<br /><br />?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Perhaps it does need to be tweaked a little bit.

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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>I'm after the highest grade I can find. And afford. But if I'm after something, and it is 1 of 10 in existance, sometimes a grade 1 or 2 will have to do. I may never see another one. And that's ok. So it would be difficult to be put into any one slot. But we can try it.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>I think Barry's categories would be fine. My prewar collection averages GD-VG but is not exclusive to cards in that range. Maybe a poll discussing the average condition of one's collection?

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p>But, wording the question will be a challenge. An example;<br /><br />I'll always be a ghettoboy, buying raw, tired HOF's and have them graded. Results; P-F-G-VG (1,2,3 and rarely 4). I have a few high-grade vintage, but they always seem uppity, stay locked in and won't hang with the unassuming Welfare stock.

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>That would be my category Steve.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>one solution would be, being able to "click" more than one button...<br /> <br /><br />becuase according to Barry's list, i would be #1 & #3

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>I think with Barry's suggestion there is too much overlap in the catagories. For example I have cards in each of the catagories 2 through 5 and like them equally. For there to be a catagory "all of the above" would be meaningless.<br /><br />I think that Bob's soaking thread brought out a lot of comment on both sides of that question. While it got off track and it was hard to tell how many approved and how many disapproved I think it might be an interesting poll.<br /><br />If you do a "soaking" poll it should be very strictly limited to that question and that question alone. Any other manner of "alteration" should not be included.<br /><br />My 2 cents.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Maybe you could add a few more categories to my list of five, and each collector could pick more than one because of the overlap. But keep in mind if 99% of one's collection is VG, and 1% is PSA-8, then you could just click "VG" and leave it at that. Lots of surveys, however, allow you to click more than one choice.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...about click polls where you can only vote once is you get an idea about what a certain group thinks about a certain topic. If you allow people to vote more than once, or if you have to answer "C, but on Wednesday's it's B or A," then your question wasn't worded carefully.<br /><br />I tried to have a black or white poll a few weeks ago -- quality vs. quantity. And people wanted to define quality to mean high grade or ultra scarce, while others said they were both. I think the click poll questions should be as black and white as possible:<br /><br />How about -- Do you agree that low-to-mid grade collecting is becoming less and less important to the hobby in my judgment<br /><br />Or...<br /><br />Do you believe that PSA 8 and above collectors are the backbone of the pre-war baseball card hobby?<br />

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>Apologies if any of these have been polled before...<br /><br />1) What do you consider to be the most offensive/inexcusable form of card alteration? trimming, soaking, coloration, corner building, ironing out wrinkes, etc<br /><br />2) What is the most important factor that determines your purchase of a card? need it for a set, condition, eye appeal, 3rd party grade assigned, priced right, etc...<br /><br />3) Are you a fan/history buff of the period you collect? or do you just collect the cards? this is a tough one to phrase, but you see what I mean<br /><br />4) What percentage of your collection would you consider "core" vs ancillary/misfits? 10%, 25%, 50%, etc...would just be interesting to see how many people consider themselves focused/disciplined<br /><br />5) Given the recent month or two of rather anxiety-filled posts, it would be interesting to hear: How concerned are you about the future of this hobby and its ability to maintain its integrity? not at all concerned, somewhat concerned, very concerned, etc...nevermind...that one sucks<br /><br />anyway, just some thoughts<br />J

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Posted By: <b>eric p.</b><p>beckett vintage beat out gai in the latest poll, wow, global is going downhill fast.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>LEON<br /><br />I agree with Paul.....a POLL of the real "backbone" of the hobby would be very timely.<br /><br />Or perhaps, if not the "backbone", then some other parts of the human anatomy.....ha !<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Richard Masson</b><p>How about a simple agree/disagree:<br /><br />1. I prefer to collect condition scarcities, reasonably available cards that are rare in high condition, or<br /><br />2. I prefer to collect scarce cards, regardless of condition.<br /><br />Or how about:<br /><br />1. I collect individual cards that I can appreciate for either their scarcity or for their condition, or<br /><br />2. I am a set builder and even if I complete a set, I am trying to obtain the best or highest grade example I can find, or<br /><br />3. I am a set builder but will pretty much leave it alone once I have completed a set.

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>The last pole also was difficult for me to answer because i like my cards raw as much as i do graded. Some i prefer out of holders, some in. but since the question posed was which grading company i prefer i answered with the grading company id most likely use if i were to use one.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>It could be: (You must pick one)<br /><br /><br />1. Are you a high grade collector?<br />2. Are you pond scum? <br /><br /><br /><br />that was a low hanging try at a joke..

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I like Jason L and Richard Masson's questions. While I appreciate Barry's I think there is too much overlap for a lot of collectors. I personally collect in all 5 categories. Very few of us are PSA 8 only. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jim is right that there is too much overlap but I think what we are trying to determine is who the so-called backbone of the hobby is. We need to come up with categories that don't necessarily run together, maybe more a philosophy of how one collects and not the PSA grade...but "pond scum" seems like the best category so far.

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Posted By: <b>Judson Hamlin</b><p>1. Favorite NYC restaurant<br /><br />2. Favorite political party<br /><br />3. Favorite thread which degenerated into massive personal attacks<br /><br />4. Most difficult (for no good reason) "common" card you've tried to find<br /><br />5. How we catalog our collections (written/spread sheet/index cards/etc.)<br /><br />6. Age when we bought our first vintage card<br /><br />Peace (to a point)

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>What grades are most prevelant in your collection?<br /><br />(a) Nothing under PSA 10, period.<br />(b) PSA 8's and 9's.<br />(c) PSA 6's and 7's.<br />(d) PSA 4's and 5's.<br />(e) PSA 2's and 3's.<br />(f) PSA 1's and AUT's.<br />(g) Raw, baby.<br />(h) Whatever I can afford.<br />(i) Who cares?<br /><br />[Adjustments for other grading scales].

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Judd- your #1 and #2 alone will cause the board to explode!

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Posted By: <b>Judson Hamlin</b><p>Well Barry, I was shooting for something light - nothing controversial like soaking or who the backbone of the hobby/industry might be.

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Posted By: <b>FYS</b><p>1. Favorite or most respected vintage card dealer? <br /><br />2. Most underated dealers?<br /><br />3. Favorite auction houses? <br /><br />4. Individual set focus in 2007? <br /><br />5. Missing/needed vintage publication or book? <br /><br />6. What will be the next area in vintage that see a spike? <br /><br />7. Does anyone use NAXCOM? <br /><br />8. What can SCD do to make it a worthwhile publication again?<br /><br />9. Improvements grading companies can make? <br /><br />10. Johnson length vs. high grade / low grade preference? <br /><br />All are more valuable than simply whether or not you are a high or low grade collector.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I am leaning toward the most votes for a new poll to be based on condition of the cards we collect. Again, it's by popular vote and this seems to be one of them and very "in the news" the last few days on the board. Maybe we can refine this:<br /><br />How do you like to collect (main focus):<br /><br />1) PSA-8 (SGC 88) or better<br />2) PSA 6-7 (SGC 80-84)<br />3) PSA 3-5 (SGC 40-60)<br />4) Less than PSA 3 (SGC 40)<br />5) raw cards<br />6) a mixure of high and low<br />7) best I can obtain on my budget, regardless of slabbed or not<br />8) grade doesn't matter if I am filling a hole<br /><br /><br />I am still open here but let's see what we can do in the next day or so and move on it....regards<br /><br />edited to add "(main focus)"<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Leon- you've pretty much covered all the bases, but as others have mentioned most would have to check off more than one category. Would that be acceptable?

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Leon- a near perfect compromise, i like it...<br /><br />one thing, should we add a category for rare cards specifically on this list, or is it simply assumed or understood, that is what many of us focus on?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>The way the poll is structured you would need to pick one. I guess whatever your main focus is would be the key to the one you pick.....

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I vote for that poll, Leon.

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>Leon--How about favorite quote from a board member? You select seven to choose from--no more than two from any one person.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>That could be hillarious and I think we might want to take a raincheck on it...unless many others vote on it too....I think the current debate on grading is very relevent right now....but my vote counts as 1...

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I say let's do Leon's poll as it is, and see where it goes. One question: are people allowed to vote more than once, or are we locked out? We don't want any ballot stuffers ("hilarious" has one "l").

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>actually the more i look at your poll, and the choices...i don't what the heck i would click...i collect T206's from drum 1's, o'hara 2's...to PSA 7's, 8's & 9's...?

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>Looks good Leon.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>We got oru degree from UTD and had to go to community college and didn't graduate until we were 33 (that's 2 x 16.5). Had we gone to an Ivy League school our spellin' wood be betta.....<br /><br />MVSNYC- We think in that case you would click the "mixture" one...<br /><br />thanks for the responses so far..

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Posted By: <b>B.C.Daniels</b><p>which equates to actually two people in one or "large" as in "obese". When divided,the person in question then becomes "we", "us" and/or "group" as noted! <br /><br /><br />BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Let's try this one...you guys/girls help modify it to make a good poll. If no one chimes in we'll just go with this:<br /><br />How do you like to collect (main focus):<br /><br />1) PSA-8 (SGC 88) or better<br />2) PSA 6-7 (SGC 80-84)<br />3) PSA 3-5 (SGC 40-60)<br />4) Less than PSA 3 (SGC 40)<br />5) raw cards but nice<br />6) raw cards, beaters or nice, it doesn't matter....<br />7- low grade cards so I can collect more cards<br />8) grade and/or slabbed doesn't matter if I am filling a hole or like the card<br /> <br />updated with request...

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>You might move 7 to 8, and for a new 7: <br /><br />7- low grade cards so I can collect more cards<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian McQueen</b><p>Per everyone's request, the new Poll is now ready. As always, you may find a link to it in the upper-left corner of the main forum page.<br /><br />Also, the old polls are not deleted, rather the link to the poll is simply updated to point to the new poll instead. Those interested in seeing the final totals for the previous poll about grading companies may find it here:<br /><br />www.network54.com/Votelet/48780<br /><br /><br /><br />Regards,<br />Brian

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Shouldn't option 8 read "raw" instead of "grade"?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I think "grade" is correct....in other words one doesn't care whether it's high grade or not (slabbed or not too) if it fills a hole...does that make sense?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Leon- how do I answer the poll, since I don't collect but still have opinions on how I would if I did?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>If you "were" collecting, how would you collect? I am sure there will be quite a few in your boat.....regards

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>To me options 1 through 4 relate to graded "slabbed" cards with a number and 5, 6 and 7 to "raw" cards. Option 8, the collector who is more interested in "filling a hole", will take them "raw" (without regard to "grade") or slabbed (without regard to what the number is). That's my collecting style. Using the word "raw" just makes it read a little easier for me to answer.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I see your point.....I asked for suggestions to amend this and no one really responded. If anyone, including yourself, can make a more cohesive poll, with the subject at hand we will use it. If I subsitute "raw" in that last one it doesn't really take into consideration that "any" grade is acceptable, which is what I was trying to get at.....I know a lot of old timer collectors fill a hole and grade isn't too important... Suggestions?

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Barry- IMO, even though you don't collect anymore, you are still "in the hobby" as an auction house...i would click the category that best describes the material in your auctions...which, in a way, speaks about your taste/interests...do you agree?<br /><br />p.s. Leon- is it set up so you can only vote once? hope so...

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>OK, I'm good with the poll. I presume if someone reads this thread more carefully than me <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> that they will understand what is intended by option 8. I'm off to cast my vote!