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sflayank 03-21-2016 06:28 PM

rarest post war cards revisited 20 top
 
post ended 2008 time to restart
1st and foremost all contest winning cards
american oil, atlantic oil, ashland oil, call bulletin
since the winners were turned in and 99.9999% tossed by the company
lets not count these
not in any particular order
if anyone knows anything that is rarer let us know
1960 topps venezuelan tatoo...only 1 known to exist of any player
1959 esslinger beer hr derby...only 1 known(aaron)
1951 currents...stanky roberts konstanty
1955 topps stamps
1961 topps dice
1970 cloth stickers
1966 topps punchouts
1968 topps plak willie mays 1 known
1960 3 topps proofs
1954 esskay jehosie heard
1968 3d prototype brooks robinson
1968 3ds odonahue monday and davis
1955 armour coins in silver...and gold
1962 kahns purkey no autograph
1967 topps stand ups
1959 yoo hoo cards with full length tabs...2 known
1960 opc tatoos many players for unknown reason
1958 hires test w tabs everyone except antonelli
1955 hunters wieners woolridge 1 known
1955 hocus focus
1955 felin franks
1948 gunther beer
national tea labels
baas cheri cola
cleveland national bank
schumacher service station
im over 20...got carried away

ALR-bishop 03-21-2016 07:46 PM

Rare
 
1971 Topps Rookie Artists Proofs

I think Bob Lemke has said the 1960 Topps "proofs" he has seen have regular backs, not blank back. Variations ?

Topps 1955 Hocus Focus baseball subjects

sflayank 03-21-2016 08:00 PM

Forgot about the artists proofs
Others are listed the 60 proofs full backs
Saw all 3 at national...rumierez had them there
Psa wouldnt holder them

Griffins 03-21-2016 08:09 PM

'63 Pepsi Bateman with tab should probably be way up the list.

a lot further down
'60 Fleer Grove/Martin, Collins/Martin, Tinker/Martin uncancelled versions

Griffins 03-21-2016 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sflayank (Post 1517725)
Others are listed the 60 proofs full backs
Saw all 3 at national...rumierez had them there
Psa wouldnt holder them

ridiculous. They are in the catalog, no reason not to holder.

sflayank 03-21-2016 08:18 PM

Good one...bateman with or without tab
And that reminds me of num num kennedy with tab if it exists
And a couple more i forgot...1961 gold mine bucks...1 known
1961 leaders cleaners

sflayank 03-21-2016 08:34 PM

Expensive
 
If we eliminate the topps issues
Which would be the most expensive?

Griffins 03-21-2016 09:25 PM

I'd bet either the Bateman or Hires Test Mays. Probably the former.

whiteymet 03-21-2016 10:08 PM

Anthony beat me to the Bateman.

I'll add 67 Dexter Press Paul Schaal.

What about 60 Leaf Big Heads?

71 Phillies Ticketron McCarver?

65 Phillies tiles?

Mattel Instant Replay Sports Challenge Discs?

59 Dad's Cookies?

62 Salada Dick Williams name on right?

Fred

Griffins 03-21-2016 10:51 PM

what about the 4 '53 Bowman unissued variations. I've only seen them offered once in the last 20 years, about '02 in a SCP auction.
I've seen 2 sets of Stanky/Roberts/Konstanty in that span, they've got to be pretty tough.

philliesphan 03-22-2016 12:43 AM

I am sure that a Felin's Franks of either Richie Ashburn or Robin Roberts would fetch a pretty penny if they ever came to auction

ALR-bishop 03-22-2016 08:38 AM

Scarce
 
Topps 1977 Reggie Jackson as an Oriole...and it's related proof

1960 Leaf Hal Smith blackout version

sflayank 03-22-2016 08:53 AM

Rare
 
Reggie yes
Hal smith blackout?dont remember that one being tough
Anyone chime in on the hal smith?

ALR-bishop 03-22-2016 09:27 AM

Smith
 
Maybe it was just me. The regular version with the team name and the one with no team name (on back) were not that hard but the intermediate one with the blacked out team name was tough....for me :). The big head prototypes that Fred mentioned earlier are tougher

rgpete 03-22-2016 07:14 PM

1980 topps Prototype Coins

ecRich 03-22-2016 07:27 PM

1960's Dodger Meadowgold dairy, not the milk carton, postcard size I think. Have only seen one offered years ago.

glenv 03-22-2016 08:40 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Maybe not the rarest, but tough:
'49 Jimmy Fund Die-cuts
'53 Top Taste/Pict-Sweet Bravers
Certain '52 Globe issues
'45 & '48 Remar Team cards
'50 Prest-o-lite Henrich (unique?)
'56 Parkhurst

Attachment 225231 Attachment 225232

toppcat 03-25-2016 10:48 AM

Larry-60 Venezuelan Tatoo are a new one on me. Do you have a scan? Were they issued or just a proof?

I also think the list could be divided by sets vs individual cards. Not sure I would count proofs such as the 71 Rookie All Stars but this is a very interesting topic.

sflayank 03-25-2016 03:08 PM

venez tattoo
 
i didnt take my own picture but heres the link

http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/se...eball%20Tattoo

ValKehl 03-25-2016 10:15 PM

Briggs Meats Gil Coan and/or Jackie Jensen?

toppcat 03-26-2016 05:50 AM

Hilarious-I completely forgot I had blogged on it! I checked my master Topps list and didn't see it it on there so I'm glad I asked, even though I'm a bit embarrassed....must have neglected to add it in 2013. Thanks though Larry, the list is now updated. Sheesh!!

toppcat 03-26-2016 06:30 AM

Now, for an attempt at a rarity list, at least for Topps, through 1980. I'm sure there will be debate over this!

Sets Issued at Retail (US only):
1955 Hocus Focus small
1951 Major League All Stars
1967 Stand Up
1968 Plaks Checklist
1949 Bazooka Know Your Sports
197? Pocket Size Baseball Game
1974 Deckle White/Glossy
1970 Candy Lid
1973/74 Action Emblems Cardboard (stickers are more plentiful)
1973 Comics
1973 Pinups
1968 Plaks


Individual Cards:
1968 Plak Mays
1968 3-D Easel (I've seen three)
1951 Major League All Stars Konstanty, Roberts, Stanky
1955 Hocus Focus (any above #96, which only came in small)
1966 Punchout (any)
1968 Plak Checklist (any)
1956 Pins trio of toughies (which is scarcest?)
1963 Famous American Stamps (Stamp Gum) Ruth, Gehrig
1971 Glossy High Numbers (any)
1952 Mid Series Gray Backs (any)
1964 Banquet (supply has loosened a little though)
1968 Who Am I? uncoated reissue Ruth
1975 Sports Club Garvey

Proofs/In House Mockups:
1967 Pinup Stickler (1 known-Clemente)
1960 "Trio" (although other year's error proofs are rare too)
1975 Giant Baseball
1968 3-D Changed/Unissued
1968 3-D Easel (I've seen three)
197? Puffy Stickers
1971 Rookie All Star (10 known, although I think these were display pieces)
1951 Major League All Stars trio
1980 Coin
1966 Punchout (small chance it was actually tested at retail)
1957 Paper
1966 Paper
1967 Paper
1968 Paper
1967 Stand Up thin
1970 Cloth (66 possible, ~40 known, not sure if any dupes exist)
1955 Stamp (40 possible, at least one dupe)
1961 Dice Game
1968 Discs
1967 Discs//1967 SF Giants Discs
1968 Deckle (which color autograph is toughest?)
1972 Candy Lids
197? Topps Superstar Stickers
1980 Topps Pepsi
1972 Cloth
1976 Cloth (4 different textures, which is toughest?)

If they exist, the missing trio of 1967 Punchout subjects/lineups would make the list, as would the instruction card from the 1966 version (at least one known). Also, do you count 1971 Topps Winners, inserted in special 1972 packs only given to contest winners? 1969 Bowie Kuhn? 1953 Reprints from 1972?

As for items once thought scarce but which are not:
1952 High Numbers
1972 Player Posters
1977 Burger King Piniella
1967 Punchout
1968 Action All Stars
1971 Greatest Moments
1969 Super

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 08:01 AM

1975
 
Dave--what is Giant Baseball ? Why 1980 on Puffy Stickers ?

I always tell folks interested in Topps to read your blog. Maybe you should be reading your blog as well :)

Bestdj777 03-26-2016 08:42 AM

Hi Dave,
Were the Standups actually issued retail? I love your blog postings regarding the tattoos. Any recollection what the Venezuelan sold for?

sflayank 03-26-2016 09:11 AM

list
 
i paid 360 or that mangled tattoo...only one known to still exist
standups were sold since they have wax stains on back...wrappers and and box are pretty rare if not unique

toppcat 03-26-2016 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1519375)
Dave--what is Giant Baseball ? Why 1980 on Puffy Stickers ?

I always tell folks interested in Topps to read your blog. Maybe you should be reading your blog as well :)

LOL (but true....)


Giant Baseball are the 1975 fronts/1976 backs mockups in appropriate size. I changed the Puffy date to a 197? but it could be anywhere from about 1978-81 I guess. Same with the Superstar Stickers, which I just added, along with the individual MLAS s/p's. I'm sure I missed a couple of others. The only reason I included mockups are that many have been decoupled from their original boards and sold in the hobby. Certainly other mockups exist (pr existed) we don;lt even know about.

Larry answered the Standups Question for the die cut - they were tested at retail. The 66 Punchouts may have been as well, their known packaging is a hybrid between lab test and retail test.

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 09:30 AM

1968
 
Bob and I both have the 3 uncut 68 Deckle proof sheets with different colored autos....red, blue and black. I think we both decided Blue was toughest. We nearly bankrupted each other trying for the same one some years back.:)

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img007.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img009.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img301.jpg

Bestdj777 03-26-2016 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sflayank (Post 1519402)
i paid 360 or that mangled tattoo...only one known to still exist
standups were sold since they have wax stains on back...wrappers and and box are pretty rare if not unique

Thanks Larry. I'd say you got a great deal on that one. I couldn't imagine what it would bring now that people actually know it exists.

I appreciate the insight into the Standups. Due to budget constraints, I've never really ventured into the test issue arena.

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 10:09 AM

Odds
 
Puffy Stickers...year and Topps origin unproven. But the number of mistakes make it less likely to be a forged item and more likely done by Topps ;)

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img028.jpg

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 10:18 AM

The 80 Coins, another rare proof...Martin versus Howser as Yankee manager in 1980, and Super Stickers. The white game card came in the 74 Cloth Emblem packs. I did the set in cloth then found an uncut sheet of cardboard

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img023.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...sSheets001.jpg

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 10:24 AM

odds
 
1963 Topps Stamps

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img055.jpg

and 55

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...39/mossi-1.jpg

56 Pins

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img015.jpg

67 Who Am I

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img016.jpg

Hocus Focus 55/56 Large and small

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img013.jpg

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 10:38 AM

Odds
 
68 Plaqs

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img006.jpg

64 Banquet

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img039.jpg

67 Discs, regular and Giants

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...sSheets004.jpg

67 Punch Outs

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img079.jpg

67 Stan Up---proof and die cut

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img078.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps00f754c7.jpg

61 Dice

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img174.jpg

60 Fleer # 80 Martin

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img211.jpg

Reverse on Plaqs

http://http://i1267.photobucket.com/...ps15bdc840.jpg

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 10:44 AM

Odds
 
Reverse on Plaqs

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps15bdc840.jpg

Not mine 66 Punch Outs and 70 Cloth

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img128.jpg

68 3 D

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img228.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img104.jpg

Plaq Spruce with Mantle

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psd5e84c0c.jpg

Paper Proofs

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2967a4ea.jpg

mrmopar 03-26-2016 10:59 AM

Dave,

Do you have a description or photo of this item? I am aware of the 8x10 photo that came with the Topps main-in "kit" that had the team checklist and the newsletter. Is there something else?

Quote:

Originally Posted by toppcat (Post 1519347)
1975 Sports Club Garvey

Here is a blog entry I did on the kit

http://1978theyearitallbegan.blogspo...orts-club.html

toppcat 03-26-2016 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmopar (Post 1519441)
Dave,

Do you have a description or photo of this item? I am aware of the 8x10 photo that came with the Topps main-in "kit" that had the team checklist and the newsletter. Is there something else?

Yup, that's the one. Not that many of them out there from what I have seen.

toppcat 03-26-2016 11:03 AM

I didn't list the 3-D's as they are a little more plentiful than other items on the list. For instance 77 Fairly's have been graded by PSA. ALlowing for resubs, SGC and raw cards, there must be over 100 copies available at a minimum.
However, the stamped back versions (u pick 'em red or black) probably would make the cut.

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 12:21 PM

68 3d
 
Dave-- the Fairly and Maloney show up all the time. If the set was issued as a retail test issue in a limited market (I have a couple of wrappers which are scarce but do show up), it is curious why some of the cards in the set seem so much more scarce than others. I agree that the 3 known unissued proof cards belong on your list.

I think I finally got an easel

brian1961 03-26-2016 12:42 PM

Al---

Thanks for sharing your vast array of rare Topps. I particularly admire your 1968 Topps 3-D Mel Stottlemyre in PSA 6. A perfect card in high grade.

I was living in the suburbs of Chicago in the early 70s. A high school buddy of mine found out I liked baseball cards. He had some old cards, and two I had never before seen----a pair of 68 Topps 3-Ds. I just stared and stared at them. Wow. These looked so cool. By now I was a veteran of several years collecting the Kellogg's 3-Ds. Those were special to me, but these cards were also quite attractive.

How Scott and his father got the two, Stottlemyre and Bill Robinson, I do not recall. His father was a high school principal in another suburb; perhaps five years before he was at a meeting in metro NYC, and stopped in one of the candy shops in Brooklyn where Topps was known to market them. They even had the stamping on the backside to return them to Topps, which sounded ridiculous to me. Knowing what little I do about them, a pack cost a dime and you got two cards and two easels to stand them up. Topps designed them to be special. They were.

My buddy gave them both to me that day. I thanked him profusely, and again, I'd never seen them before, nor knew what they were. In a year, I found out. In about 1973, I hooked up a trade with pioneer collector and dealer extraordinaire, Larry Fritsch. I traded him the Stottlemyre for a 1952 Topps Roy Campanella. The Stottlemyre was EX+, I would say; the Campanella EX-MT. We did it through the mail. Apparently, Larry needed Stot, and I only owned one other 52 Topps high number. We were both happy, though that Stottlemyre was flat out beautiful.

Thanks again, Al, for taking the pains to share some of yours Topps "Mother Lode".:D Best regards, Brian Powell

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 01:38 PM

3D
 
Thanks for sharing the story Brian. Have you seen the 2011 Topps Lineage 3D set ? It is a nice set, only 15 cards. Already had a wrapper but needed the easel, which are hard to come by these days

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1458934648

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 01:57 PM

Leaf 1960
 
Larry may be right but I found the blacked out Smith to be very tough. The big head prototypes are very tough. Just the Moryn below

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0fwd5hpt.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psjpm8idnx.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psqizvjzrf.jpg

ALR-bishop 03-26-2016 02:31 PM

Coke 1981
 
Pepsi was mentioned earlier. This is a little outside pre 1980 but although the first 3 Yanks and header can be found without too much problem, the rest were unissued and are very tough. I think I am still missing one, likely and OF guy

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img379.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img380.jpg

toppcat 03-26-2016 03:31 PM

Topps, at least until the point they sold to Eisner's group and changed things up and started doing intentionally what had previously just been part of their daily operations, was still putting out tough sets and tests and goof ups and etc. into the 2000's. There are a number of scarce and rare post 1980 cards and sets out there-I just use that as a cutoff since 1980 is the end of the monopoly era.

toppcat 03-26-2016 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1519480)
Thanks for sharing the story Brian. Have you seen the 2011 Topps Lineage 3D set ? It is a nice set, only 15 cards. Already had a wrapper but needed the easel, which are hard to come by these days

Al you got a steal of deal on that one!

I think the tougher 3-D's were cards that ended up damaged in production. My Maloney No Dugout, like all known examples of this variation, has two pull marks on it that are pretty severe for an issued product(lower left bottom border) and I'll bet the damage to some other cards was too much to let them be issued. They could also have had short prints, of course.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps62qd2fva.jpg

brian1961 03-28-2016 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1519480)
Thanks for sharing the story Brian. Have you seen the 2011 Topps Lineage 3D set ? It is a nice set, only 15 cards. Already had a wrapper but needed the easel, which are hard to come by these days

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1458934648

Glad you liked my story, Al.

Yes, I have seen several of the 2011 Topps Lineage 3Ds. I was fortunate to be able to get a Mantle in PSA 10. I just love that card. Since purchasing the rights to produce Mickey Mantle cards, Topps wisely chooses to use stirring photos from Mantle's early years. Two most attractive exceptions are the 2012 Gypsy Queen, with Mick rubbing the side of his pants while at bat. Looks like a live telecast of NBC Game of the Week!

The other I love is that 2011 Topps Mantle 3-D, with the shot of Mickey appearing to be from the late stages of his career--where he would always use a batting helmet, and frequently wear the undershirt with the black long sleeves. He is seen beginning to drop his bat, as he watches one of his titanic home runs sail into the far reaches of the bleachers. Those moments were becoming fewer, and he relished them. Nice shot. I think of that card as precisely what a 1968 Topps 3-D would have looked, had Topps chosen to make one of him.;)

Thanks again for sharing some of your wonderful collection with us, bro.

---Brian Powell

hcv123 03-28-2016 08:52 PM

A couple more for consideration
 
1967 Topps pinup sticker (1 known)
1958 Kahn's - I know the Clemente is insanely scarce - I believe a few of the other players as well.

Rickyy 03-29-2016 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop (Post 1519499)
Pepsi was mentioned earlier. This is a little outside pre 1980 but although the first 3 Yanks and header can be found without too much problem, the rest were unissued and are very tough. I think I am still missing one, likely and OF guy

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img379.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...539/img380.jpg

I just love those Al!

Ricky Y

steve B 03-31-2016 09:39 AM

76 Hostess green/yellow instead of red/blue.

http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=10144http://www.net54baseball.com/picture...ictureid=10145

I got a small batch of them from a friends neighbor in maybe 1979 or 80. Traded a McCovey Washington for them, and stupidly then traded half the batch to the local dealer for another McCovey. They have every appearance of being issued on boxes. But are screened entirely differently from the regular ones, and the batch included numbers over 150.

I've never seen any others.

There was a fairly local Hostess bakery so maybe some test prints got out to the packaging line somehow. I don't think the kids family had any connection to Hostess, I'd have probably asked since I was always after the shelf ads or any other promotional stuff I could find.

The RC cola guy promised he'd send something but never did. I also met a Topps rep who claimed that he had boxes of some fairly tough stuff that he'd kept rather than put it out with retailers. (greatest moments, 74 deckle, that sort of stuff.) None was for sale since he figured it would be worth a lot more later on. I've always wondered if that stuff ever turned up.

Steve B

RCMcKenzie 03-31-2016 10:11 PM

1966 Pro's Pizza
 
2 Attachment(s)
Don't let the SGC label mislead you...This is the Real Deal 1966 issue of Pro's Pizza with the full border and unperforated back. HOFer Billy Williams, no less...Thanks, Bagger's...

Laxcat 04-01-2016 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie (Post 1521640)
Don't let the SGC label mislead you...This is the Real Deal 1966 issue of Pro's Pizza with the full border and unperforated back. HOFer Billy Williams, no less...Thanks, Bagger's...

Love those. I'll put up a scan of a Banks and Santo when I get home.

procards7 04-27-2016 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griffins (Post 1517729)
'63 Pepsi Bateman with tab should probably be way up the list.

a lot further down
'60 Fleer Grove/Martin, Collins/Martin, Tinker/Martin uncancelled versions

A 1960 Fleer #80 Tinker/Martin-Back cancelled version (only three ever slabbed by PSA) is now on ebay with one day left.


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