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Score Board COA-Manny Ramirez Ball

I am possibly doing a purchase/trade for a Manny Ramirez ball that comes with a COA from Score Board. Was this company legit? Any thoughts on the ball?

Thanks a lot.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...anRamBall1.jpg

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...anRamBall2.jpg

Here is a post from Ken Goldin (the name on your certificate)

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Originally Posted by kengoldin (Post 1024534)

Hi all
I have recently joined and will make myself available to anyone who ever has a question about a Score board contract, if an athlete signed an item for them, etc.
just PM me and send images when can.
I cannot tell you over the years how many emails and letters i have written to SCD about coach's corner and others they let advertise
also feel free to email me at ken@goldinauctions.com
if sending files that may be best

Many people say the company had forgeries. Ken Goldin claims they didn't sell forgeries, but the certificates have been forged and used to sell other items. It looks like your best bet would be contacting the person whose name is on the cert you have there.

Scoreboard sold good autographs. They had athletes under contract and did many signings much like Steiner does today.

The problem is their simple paper COA has been copied and used by scammers, or a real Scoreboard COA has been swapped out with a bad item (this was before matching holograms were attached to the items.)

I'm sure Ken Goldin can let you know if Ramirez was someone who signed for them. There is still the possibility a bad Ramirez has been married up with a real Scoreboard COA, but I am not qualified to comment on the signature itself.

Thanks for the replies. I emailed Ken, and got a response back in about 45 seconds. I think I am going to pass.

What Steve said is correct. Score Board and later Ken G. sold good autographs as far as I saw but the COA was often copied. I know Goldin's later autographs had his sticker on the item, so they're more easily verifiable.

Curious as to what kens response was regarding the ball. To me it looks correct in one of his styles from that period.

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Originally Posted by HOFautosChris (Post 1025958)

Curious as to what kens response was regarding the ball. To me it looks correct in one of his styles from that period.

So the story behind the ball is that it is an official Bobby Brown baseball. They wanted Manny to sign a case of ROMLBs, but he accidentally signed a case of Brown balls. Here is Ken's response (I hope he doesnt mind me posting it).

The only contract I can remember wih many ramirez was in 1991 for trading cards and did not include any autographs
In addition, SB was out of business when MLB bals came out, so the story is a lie
Regards
Ken

I was working out both a trade and throwing in some cash on this. When the guy posted the ball, with the story, someone commented that it's real. Manny's auto is just too "scribbly" for me to tell. I have no idea what one looks like. I am working on a set of autographed balls for my 500 HR collection, and just didnt want to take a chance of having a fake one in my 100% real collection....even if it was a good deal.

Cooptown,

How far are you with the collection?

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Originally Posted by jgmp123 (Post 1026283)

Cooptown,

How far are you with the collection?

Not too far, actually:

Mays, Thome, Robinson, McGwire, Killebrew, Jackson, Schmidt, Williams, McCovey, Banks, Matthews, Scheffield, Murray.

No one is ridiculously difficult, but the remaining guys are pretty pricey.

I can get Thomas and Palmeiro for under a hundred combined. But then Ramirez, Bonds, and Aaron are going to be a bit rich. Plus, I want to add Mantle.